Antitrump dossier. The president pointing to ohr as one of the many conflicts he sees for the russia investigation. Watch him. President trump that is disqualifying for a mueller and, mueller has a lot of conflict also, you know he is highly conflicted. And kevin is live at the white house with the latest. Good afternoon. You get the sense the more the president is briefed on the particulars surrounding that steele dossier, and the players involved in its use, the more intense he is leading them out. Bruce ohr is the target for the president and he made that abundantly clear out of his trip up there near that tristate area, not too far from where you are for the weekend. By the way, hes calling this a working weekend in new jersey. Former cia director john brennan and doa attorney bruce ohr are the latest to find themselves in the cross hairs of the president who today responded to criticism, harris, that he was using his power in an attempt to silence critics. President trump there is no silence, if anything im giving them a bigger voice. Many people dont even know who he is and now he has a bigger voice, and thats okay because i like taking on voices like that. Ive never respected him, i think he is a disgrace and i suspect i will be taking it away very quickly. I think he is a disgrace with his wife, nellie. For him to be in the Justice Department and to be doing what he did, that is a disgrace. Reporter as you pointed out this is likely the first of many revocations yet to come, which is something we will be carefully watching here from the white house because as you can well imagine as the names come out there will be plenty of new surrounding that. Harris thank you very much. Anthony scaramucci, former white house give indications director was watching all of that with me. The president calling out bruce ohr and his wife, nellie. Were you surprised to see this tech along now or may be a Second Security clearance taken by the president . Im not surprised because sarah went through a list of people that would potentially have their security clearance harris there were nine. I understand the president is so upset, and i do believe that he gets exonerated by the mueller report. Maybe there are some people on the periphery that the things that were inappropriate but i really believe that the president did nothing inappropriate and he will be totally exonerated, but hes upset. When he gets riled up like that, hes starting to take action, and he is starting to take action which you have to ask yourself, is it too partisan . Because weve had 75 years since the end of the Second World War were weve been a Bipartisan Team committed on national security. And and there is a democratic president in eight years, lets say, then they start doing the same thing because, for me having traveled to afghanistan on troop support and having traveled to iraq and understand the risk, full disclosure i had john brennan at our conference last year talking about these issues. Im very close to general patriots and others in the Intelligence Committee but i just want to be careful that we are not going overboard because i do think the president is going to be exonerated. I understand hes upset, but you just have to be careful. Thats an interesting point that you make it, you dont need to jump the shark, is that what i hear you saying . I think hes got a set of cards that are way better then i think you will get exonerated on the molar investigation, Great Success in the midterms, better than peoples expect and hes always like going to win reelection. With that in mind, im not taking anything for granted. And thats one thing i love about the president. But you are playing long ball. In a 745 year commitment, we brought down the berlin berlin. We are going to bring a herd to the iranian theocracy over the next five years, we are ending the denuclearization, and the president knows this better than anyway. He was here helping people after 9 11. And, he flew mayor giuliani down to the white house right after 9 11. The president could be more patriotic about this stuff, but i am worried that we bring in some partisanship to an area where even in washington its been less partisan . Youve been next to him, you know the challenges with going against an Intelligence Committee. What is that relationship like right now in your estimation, between the president of the United States and the agencies that he has openly criticized . I have told him this directly, and this is not a great Scientific Study but i know a lot of people in that Community Love this guy. The rank and file people love the president. The people of ice love the president. Theres a couple of thoughts at the top of the spectrum that probably did things that were inappropriate and they perhaps weaponized areas of the agency because they didnt like him and didnt want him to become president. Harris because a text message text message to each other in some cases. Yes. But what i dont want and to do is go so far over the side that he hits them. When the two Police Officers were shot here in brooklyn and mayor de blasio made those comments and the police started turning their back on him, that was a very bad moment for the mayor. We dont want our intelligence agencies to turn their back on their commander in chief who they generally and maturely really like. Harris you dont have to live on the east coast to remember that. Anthony as a president always says, be cool. Harris cooler than the other side of the pillow, when we moved to that list. Two of those people in that list are peter strzok and lisa page and the question is not whether we should take away from security clearance for those individuals but may be why do they still have them . I know theres a case against them and they need to look at certain materials but, are there people on that list that say its less political and more about what needs to happen, or not . Theres no question now that we are forcing a reengineering and review of this entire thing. And who will keep their clearances or not keep their clearances, i think the point being made about suppression and silence is not really with john brennan. President did make john brennan more famous than he was prior. Harris is he doing that with bruce oyler bruce ohr bru . Anthony while hes saying if im going to get my clearance denied, im not going to speak out. I think thats where the deterrence is, by getting security clearance is denied. But having said all of that, the president is doing a great job on the economy, great job on national security. Harris and he is talking about that in the hamptons today. He cut the slack in the neighbor market, you have to give them credit for the hispanicamerican unemployment situation. The country is growing and feels more vibrant and i predict right here on your show that probably come up for the beginning of the fourth quarter, we will have a deal stuck and struck with nafd it will be a phenomenal deal for the american worker. Hes doing a great job. Harris are you saying that because youve talked with the president , or because you are anthony and you are cool . Anthony its both, im just giving you my opinion. Im not being critical, im being constructive. Harris its a fresh perspective and its one that people cautioned each other who are close about, dont go too far to the edge, you may not even need to approach the edge. I hear what youre saying. Lets talk about Paul Manafort. We are on verdict watch right now. His defense seems to think even though they didnt put up one witness that they are doing well. If this jury goes through the weekend and answer verdict on the other side, you would say what . Anthony we were talking about that in the green room. Harris either way we have a former prosecutor in our green room so i know that was highlevel. Anthony i do think, one day we asked about the beyond a reasonable doubt, the threshold of evidence required by the government. I think thats a very telling and there is at least one potential jury member that doesnt think they got there. The second thing is if they do go through the weekend when people are deliberating like that, they like to give the benefit of the doubt to the defendant. So it smells that way to me. I give Paul Manafort huge credit for being the guy that he is. Hes a principal guy and a huge foxhole p1 you called him a nice guy. Anthony i give him credit, he was in a foxhole by himself. I have an enormous amount of respect for paul. So we will see how this thing resolves itself but there is a learning lesson here related to Paul Manafort. He hung in there and stayed principal. Harris Anthony Scaramucci. Anthony can we get a shot of the shoes before i leave . Harris by the way, welcome back from italy. For more now on the president signaling he may revoke bruce ohrs security clearance, lets bring in at former doj official and senior legal fellow. He heard my conversation with Anthony Scaramucci just now about bruce ohr and whats going on with security clearance. By the way, why does he still have one . s before he was removed from his post as the associate Deputy Attorney general when all of this started surfacing. Heres the thing to keep in mind with bruce ohr. He violated the conflict of interest rules and regulations. If you cant be involved in a case in which you are a Family Member has a financial interest. The financial interest here was that his wife was being paid by the company that put together the steel dossier, and yet he was then getting that Political Opposition Research and funneling it to the fbi to help convince them to start a federal investigation. That is such a basic violation to the conflict of interest rules that im hes even still working there. Harris so anthony was just talking about the, but dont jump, the shark logic he was implying. Dont go after security clearances if you dont have to and certain instances. Let things play out, and we are getting emails of a very close connection between ohr and christopher steele, there might be some stumbling that you dont need to ada. Whats your take on that . Hans i dont really understand why he still has a security clearance given what seems to be the clear misdeeds here and the fact that he has been removed from his upper level position. So theres really no need for him to have a security clearanc clearance. Harris he is looking at this from political eyes and you are very basic on the fact that this man had a conflict of interest. Bright line between what should have happened and what did happen. You are looking at it from the legality. What type of accountability do you see down the road from someone who has this conflict of interest. This is the kind of thing that the office of professional responsibility, which is the internal policemen and doj can investigate, and they can recommend anything from disciplinary actions to the suspension to termination. Remember the opr office at the fbi that recommended the firing of andrew mccabe. But on the security clearance and the only reason for a government official, once they leave office, to have security clearance maintained is, if current individuals in the Intelligence Committee believe that they need to consult with that individual on operations that that person was involved in when they were a government official. Its not meant to enhance the marketability of somebody as a pungent, or for use, and thats criticism of the government and thats not the reason for it. Harris before i let you go, and i have to be careful about how i say this because we dont know all the details yet. But you hear this pushback of, on one side that person might be needed as you are giving the example of, so i dont believe that security clearance which is not a right but a privilege in place. Politically, lets do that in a bipartisan manner. You are a former doj employee, so does it anger you that maybe the rules are being applied maybe this same way they would be to you . Hans my access to everything including doj files and current Law Enforcement operations was all pulled the moment i walked out the door. I dont see any reason to maintain security clearances on former government officials unless you think they may be needed on something going on currently. If need be, when they are consulted, you could temporarily reinstate it, but certainly people like susan rice, who is on the list to be examined, remember, she, for political reasons was unmasking the identity of individuals whose conversations were captured by the nsa. That was an unbelievable abuse of the intelligence capabilities of the United States. Why she still has her security clearance, i dont know. Its been one it was going after foreign people that we would have been watching and americans were unmasked and that was an even braver issue as i understand the situation. Hans, thank you very much for being with me today. Hans sure thing, any time. Harris so we are on verdict watch in the Paul Manafort trial, as jury deliberations continued for a second day. The mysterious move prosecutors made during Closing Arguments, and the effect that it could have on jurors. With two times more detail than any other dna test. You can get a new taste of your heritage. 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I think its all a good sign. Harris peter doocys life outside the courthouse in alexandria, virginia, where they are still at it. The jury has been delivering today for almost four hours and they are surrounded by a mountain of evidence that the judge says he will not help them organize. So they know which exhibit corresponds to which of the 18 charges and that something that the muellers team failed to do in their Closing Argument even though a source in the amount manafort syed said they had a chart already to go in their Closing Arguments where they would make it easy for the jury to understand which piece of evidence is relevant to a charge. But for some reason they never use the exhibit. The Manafort Defense Team has been waiting offsite for a verdict like the rest of us but they will know mike do believe the longer the weight, the better for their client, Paul Manafort. Do you view the continued deliberation as a good assigned for the defense . Is a great sign for the defense, thank you. [indistinct question] i dont know. Judge ellis said everything thats been under seal will be unsealed at the end of the case but a handful of news organizations filed a motion to intervene because they want the transcript as part of the men manafort trial that happened in a closed courtroom publicly released now so the judge will have arguments on that notion, commotion at 2 00 p. M. He did indicate if they didnt like his ruling today they can appeal through the fourth circuit. But judge ts ellis who has been such a stickler for a speedy trial toward the jurors again today that they can deliberate for as little or as long as i want. The one former federal prosecutor doug burns was Holding Court in our green room with Anthony Scaramucci and a few people. You guys were huddled. So the defense Attorney Says that this is a good sign for them, how do you take that . Anthony its interesting because when you are in the middle of a deliberation, everyone is so amped up and then lawyers have a serious a tendency to over read what they know it means. For instance, define reasonable doubt. On many levels, as a general rule, if thats true. However it could also be the opposite i would hate to have to tell everyone because someone could say, im not positive hes guilty. Can we get a clarification of reasonable doubt . It doesnt have to be beyond all doubt. Okay, then they vote guilty. Harris actually that wasnt the one i was concentrating on. The question im concentrating on is something that peter doocy just clarified. Did the prosecutors stub their toe when they didnt do a matching . You know when my kids get dressed in the morning, we do matching. So they are asking for the list of indictments because they are trying to make evidence match with the charges so that they can make sense of it all. Why did the prosecutor save them the work . Let me clear that up. What happened, and i wasnt in the courtroom but ive seen it so many times, they said judge, we want to use this chart as an aid to the jury only. And the judge said, its not in evidence, right . And then the jury comes and says, we want that. Well is not in evidence, thats what happened. Harris so you could hand them the indictment, right . Anthony they have the indictment. But that they want the exhibits to be correlated with each count. Harris why didnt they do that during the trial . Anthony i totally agree. Harris you dont want to make them work too hard so you use graphics and pictures. Anthony they couldve put a chart in evidence. Harris we do it on tv all the time, thats why we have pictures to go with stories. Anthony and thats why supplication is key. Harris it isnt that it could go either way, it actually might be a good sign for the defense. Anthony i think the part about the jury saying can w