Education and an enemy. Thats our show tonight. And now, john stossel. Oh oo the biggest education controversy this year is over something called common core. Supporters say its a single common standard that tells parents in every state this is what your kid ought to know. Some Union Teachers are upset about it. These standards are crippling they are crippling our students education and joy of learning. Common core standards must constantly struggle and struggle to push themselves at legals that are not developmentally appropriate. The kids must push themselves beyond what is appropriate. No say common core these standards are appropriate and better and we have a measure to learn kids are learning what they need to learn. Life is full of measuring stick how well we are, how fast we are how we can compete. Up until now it has been pretty hard to tell how well kids are competing in school and how well they are going to do when they get out of school. Thats where the common core state standards come in. What does common core mean for you kids . Heres a sample matt problem. Compose and decompose numbers from 11 to 19 into 10 ones and further ones by using objects or drawings and record each thats my producer right outside of the studio asking people to solve a common core math problem. The 10 plus 8. Understand that these numbers are composed of 10 ones and 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 seem complex . No kidding. That is a problem for kindergarten students, 5 and 6yearolds. Siems crazy to me. Yet they say common core is a good thing. It will help American Kids compete. Joy fullman education researcher for the Heartland Institute says common core is more Central Planning. That has failed again and again. Robert, you are taking from her and from more people now, heat for supporting common core. You are from a conservative group which usually supports market competition. What we saw was a progressive dumbing down. I saw in my school in the south bronx kids who krounting on their fingers. They are level three, level four meaning they were proficient and above proficient. I knew they were not as good as the test was saying. That bar kept going. George bush said no child left behind we better lower the standards. There was no reason for the state to not do exactly what. If i had to prove my kid was proficient. If i had to set the bar you set the bar really low. You may not like common core. But lets remember what brought us to this point. Now we have Central Planning. I am not sure i agree with that. I will be completely honest with you. One of the things is you had 41 states race to go the trough to get to this federal money. That is a legitimate criticism. Honestly i wish it hadnt happened. That is easy for robert to hear how great this would have been had it been done in a noncoerced fashion. It was done in a coerced fashion. They asked the government to come in and force all of the states to do it. Stom statome states are sayi were in but we want to be out. Indiana, oklahoma, south carolina, louisiana. You are losing this war. Yes and no. Heres what i know. Right now in america there is a lot of professional Development Going on. The new thing will come into the classroom and the principal is going to tell ms. Nelson who has been teaching for 20years heres how you are going to do it now. She is going to smile say thank you mr. Principal and shut her door she is a good teacher and knows what works for kids. If the principal cant get her to change practices i dont think barack obama is going to have a chance. It changes the package of things requires them to get into the classroom with the teaches. Ms. Nelson want shut her door any other cant say get out of my classroom. They go to the state and say you like your education money this would be a sahame if something happened to it. Indiana tried to get rid of common core. The feds are the pierps they are calling the tunes. Lets take a look at what the common core experience will be like. Here is a question first graders will get under the standard. Okay, kids, class is in session. What is 32 minus 12, 20, right . You just obviosubtract. Not under common core. Why are they going through this backyard method. This man who went through Nuclear Engineering couldnt understand it. This is how you arrive at the answer my friend. Thats insane. That is so many steps. Why is it so complicated why are you sadding things when you are trying to subtract. Third greaters are more confused. 26 plus 17 by breaking apart numbers to make oo 10. Use a number that adds with the 6 and 26 to make a 10. 6 plus 4 equals 10 use 4. What . We gave the engineer another shot. You are looking lost. Yes, why would you break that down that way. That is four steps more than you need to to get to the same result. Make sense . No. Thats ridiculous. Now i know we have trouble in math. I had to pay math tutors. A lot of people are saying my kids doesnt like math any more. Thats not common core. When i was teaching 5th grade in the south broncs i saw equations like that in every day math textbook. Every day he go on facebook or twitter people say look thats common core. This has been around for a lon s time. These are questions part of the curriculum in this state and others. Thats another issue all together. No, its not, john. Thats not another issue all together. If you look at common core the exact text of it says to do exactly what ricky was doing. It tells kids you have to play all of these number games before you get to the standard algorithm. These arent idiots pushing it. Thats right well, thats maybe assuming too much. Robert, i like your twitter account background where you have bart simpson saying writing on the black board i will quit blaming common core for everything. Common core has blamed everything from bad textbooks to meats in the cafeteria. Central planning ought to be a whipping board instead of getting together why not give kids a choice. I am a big choice advocate. I dont see any conflict between choice and standards. All of our cars were built to a certain safety standard. No one told us what kind of car to buy whether to buy an suv or sedan. They have certain features brakes, seat belts, air bags, et cetera. Thats what standards do. I would think the market would do it better but you have come to accept it with cars. And with food and building codes. I am going to one up your car example, one of my favorite ways to explain common core is henry ford when he was making model ts. You can have any color you like as long as you have black. You can have any curriculum you want as long as it makes the student look good on tests. The Government School system has no real competition. You know what i find strange about this conversation one of the things about common core is Central Planning. Who hires teachers . Is local school did stricts. It is not the federal government is not telling you who should teach your kid in your local school district. A oo they set up a committee to review the textbooks for correct fit to common core. You say the Gates Foundation i impose ago scheme on america. That comes with money of which your organization got almost a Million Dollars. You educrafts tend to accept it. Back in 83 you know what was not standardized in this century time. There was different times in columbus and cincinnati. The time is standard. You know why we have time . Who gave us that . The railroads. It wasnt a government effort. The railroads suddenly were connecting. The tie to common core is . The tie to common core is, standards emerge when we need them. Lets look at whats happening internationally right now. Common core or no common core we are 20th in math. 17th in reading internationally. That problem existed before common core. If common core goes away tomorrow we are still going to have the horrible international comparisons. You want to make common core go away fine. What are you going to replace it with . Why not have choice be the standard . Parents will figure out which schools taught well they take their tests. I am a big choice advocate, john. Sounds like it. It makes me nervous. You can have choice in certain things and theres a low fresh hold. Theres a low price to pay. If somebody chooses badly, you dont get a second choice on your education. They are getting no good choice now. They are sucking a monopoly. There where is the conflict n we want choice. Everybody who builds a car has to build a car to a certain safety standard. If you want to run a school theres certain conditions you have to make. On the street we only liked one person who liked the new stand ar. The concept behind it is a good idea. Once people get comfortable with it i dont think people are are going to remember the way it used to be. Can you image why they might be confused and frustrated . Absolutely. The teacher tried to explain another kindergarten problem using common core. The subtraction removing 7 minus 4 theres lee theft. If you need one that relates to it because it has all of the numbers. We said a subtraction sentence but you are showing me addition. I dont know why they did that. Joy . I think this further el straig illustrates when we are talking about standards this is calling common core conglomeration standard. The standard complies theres something good about it inherent in the term. Safety standards are completely different. Thats a completely different level than walking into a classroom or community and saying we know more than you if what our kids should learn. You are uncomfortable describing the level that will kids should be able to get to educationally but you are comfortable saying exactly what they should learn in school . I am comfortable saying that tore my own children i. Not saying i decide everyone. I look at the common core standard, core knowledge make sure kids get a lot of history and science and art and music thats what builds strong leaders. Thats what i have been arguing about for ten years. Suddenly thats a bad idea. 67 words out of 640 pages out of common core. This should be accompanied a great curriculum. They dont go on to provide that great curriculum. We cant. We are not allowed by law. Good. I dont want you central planners. Thank you robert and joy to join in argument. You can tweet using that hash tag back to school or post it on my facebook page. We want to know what you think. Coming up, better ways in my opinion, better ways to learn. Also the cost of higher education. What this girl did to pay. 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To make america all that it can be. The president said he wanted it to be called the education president and the cameras followed him into the classroom. Doesnt this look fabbing, too . Only 7 years after the strategy president reagan released something similar. National campaign to restore excellence in the United States of america. Didnt president carter restore he excellence with his national program. It will open up for the first time substantial ben p fits for our country. Carter created federal department of education which promised to fix americas education problem. I am determined that we are going to cut out unnecessary forms, applications, red tape, regulations please, for 40 years the education bureaucrats added unnecessary forums and red tape. Education reform is like an itch that reformers just cant scratch. Why should they . New education reform brings the money. Since the reforms never work the last reform creates the need for more reform. America spends three times what we spent when jim carter fixed the problem by creating the department of education. Triple the money no improvement. Well, improvement for professional education researchers. As money pours in from the government and foundations an army of these found lobbyists, psychologists, education theorists, grad schools of education, foundations and government education. So great a mass these specialists to not be kept idol they will find something to do. And so after 40 years of failed reforms they brought us another common core. I believe common core state standards may prove to be amongst the most important things to happen in Public Education in america since brown verses board of education. This time it will work they say. These articles ferguson points out some world of education reform is a cozy fraternity. One Foundation Gives a grant to another foundation that studies the work of a third foundation. They feed off the wealth of the bill and melinda Gates Foundation. Ferguson says common core wouldnt exist without that money. Bill puts me to sleep when he talks. Lets listen to melinn da gates explain common core will tell teachers like. These are the things my students need to learn this year. Those are standards only an educrat could love or understand. One sides fits all may be a mocker reto people who understand the harm done by Central Planning but experts of Foundation One size fits all is often the ideal. Findings are choked with charts, crafts, algorithms. 300 million makes a lot of experts busy. All of this money down the drain allows common core advocates to say correctly that the federal department of education didnt produce the common core standards. No, our nations educrats produced them. This is a distinction without a difference. So now the school year begins. Common core will be tested on your kids. Then new tests will reveal, oops, students still are not learning. 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