One of the most controversial americans of our time, o. J. Simpson, dead at 76 after a bout with prostate cancer. He is regarded as one of the greatest Running Backs of all time and used his sports fame to turn himself into a household name. He started hertz commercials an. But everything changed night of june 12th, 1994, when simpsons exwife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman were found brutally stabbed to death in the courtyard outside her home in l. A. O. J. Charged with their deaths. He was tried and eventually acquitted in the trial of the century. [siren sound enclosed his point is, it is a pursuit, and unfortunately it has a lot of mitigating circumstances because of the high profile of the proposed suspect that is inside the vehicle, could possibly be and appears at this time o. J. Simpson. In front of the jury, o. J. Simpson tried on the Gloves Prosecutors say he was wearing the night he murdered his exwife. He tried to show the gloves do not fit. It doesnt fit. If it doesnt fit, you must acquit. We, the jury, find the defendant Orenthal James simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187, a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson. Dana o. J. Was sued separately by the goldmans and the browns in civil court for wrongful death where a jury found him liable. The Goldman Family speaking out about his death saying, the only thing i have to say is, its just for the reminder of ron being gone all these years. Its no great loss to the world. Is a further reminder of rons being gone. Judge jeanine, i mean, it was interesting to listen to some of the younger producers today, who didnt, you know, live through it. They might have watched the documentary about it or the reenactment of that show that was on it, but for those of us to live through it and i am sure from your lens is a lawyer and a judge judge jeanine i was one of the talking heads. Dana that is why we have you here today. Judge jeanine yes, yes. I was a city d. A. At the time and i will never forget june 12th. I had just been elected to the d. A. In Westchester County in new york, and one of the guys, had my whole office at my house for a barbecue, one of the guys came out and said, boss, o. J. Simpson is in a white bronco and the police are chasing him, so a few of us went into the kitchen. We couldnt figure out what was going on. And then we realized, we went into the den because there were a lot more of us, that he was supposed to show up at the Police Department and turn himself in. He refused to do so, so, you know, we are all of these prosecutors together saying consciousness of guilt, this is flight. But what we didnt realize that night was that this was the beginning of one of the most sensational trials, if not the most sensational trial of the century. The media was fascinated. The public was fascinated. The public had never seen a courtroom. They had never seen a trial. People would run home from work and say, ive got to watch the trial. I got to see what was going on. And i am so many others, i mean, i stayed as d. A. And i was a judge before that, but i didnt go into television from there, but so many people got their jump into television from this. But one of the most significant parts of this is the United States and people in this country were all involved in this shared experience of what the criminal Justice System is like, and the new dna. What did it mean . How significant was it . What about the pcr . What about all of the other different types . And then there was the undercurrent of racism in this trial, that because of mark fuhrman was brought to a head, and there were so many people who were very critical of the decision by the jury here. In this trial that ran for nine months. And ran for nine months. I mean, people made careers out of this. And the jury made the decision in less than four hours. And i remember being on Live Television at the time and they came in and focused on all of us, and, you know, this was a jury of eight blacks and two mixed race and i believe to whites. And there were many who believed that because of the racism, because of the issues that mark fuhrman was involved with, that the goldmans and that Nicole Brown Simpson were literally paying for the sins of the fathers. And there has always been this question about, is he guilty or isnt he . You know, for those of us who understood the forensics and the dna and all of the other stuff going on, you know, the idea that the glove didnt fit give me a break. The glove was covered with bl blood. The blood shrunk. Of course he couldnt get his hands in the gloves. But, you know, you accept the decision of the jury, and of course he got burnt later in the civil case, where he barely paid any of the money, but the public fascination with this, it began a whole new and of people with Crimes Stories and court tv and all of us who love this and made this part of our careers, we were happy with that now on we had juries who understood what dna was, they understood direct circumstantial evidence. Dana i could ask you 20,000 more questions but richard fowler, from your perspective . Richard listen, i want to pick up where the judge left off because i remember this case i was in the third grade when this verdict came out, and i remember sitting in class when the teacher played it on the red radio. I remember the reaction i had because, to the judges point, this case was rife with a race because there was so much to understand the prism of the o. J. Simpson trial you have to understand what was happening in l. A. At that time, right, two years prior to this, there was the rodney king beating that was caught on tape in 1991, those four officers that A Change Of Venue to venue to simi valley and they were acquitted after beating rodney king, so there was just tension in the air, and if you go back we were talking with the producers in The Green Room before the show, you could literally watch the footage and see two americans, people who were neighbors, one black people saying this is great, and white people crying, at the same time, watching this verdict, despite the evidence, just because of where we were as a country and just how rife the racial tension was around the l. A. P. D. , i think that was sort of made worse by the mark fuhrman tapes that had come out in the middle of the trial. Its just an interesting moment in history, but to the judges point, too, it also created the cable news cycle, the 24hour media, this idea you can follow a case and these True Crime Stories in this narrative that we now live in was created by this case, by the o. J. Simpson trial, and here we are, a lot of years later. Dana here we are, prime time. Jesse Just A Little Bit older than richard, i was 16 when this happened, used to come back from practice and watch the case and i do remember exactly what you said and realizing how divided the country was. I think come as a white guy, i was ke, wow, this guy is a killer. He just got away with murder. The evidence is obvious. And then use the images of Black America Celebrating and im not saying all black america felt that o. J. Was innocent. I am saying that, when you see people cheering and then explaining, good, you know, finally we have someone who looks like us use the Justice System in their favor. And it was almost like a wakeup call, people realized, wait a second, maybe this system isnt always about justice. Maybe its about money. And o. J. Simpson was so wealthy, and to the judges point, i finally started admiring these defense lawyers. These guys, they called the agreement know my dream team, you paid these guys so much money and it was almost like thd superpowers. I was dazzled the johnnie cochran, hanging on every word he said, i couldnt believe it. Not only did the glove shrink because of the glove, judge, he advised o. J. To stop taking his Arthritis Medications of his knuckles had swollen. You look at the dna evidence and wait a second, this stuff can get contaminated. Thankfully, years later, The Chain Of Custody has now gotten perfect where you dont even let anybody breathe near this thing. I just want to say my heart goes out to the Goldman Family, the brown family. It does look like the estate now owes them almost 100 million because o. J. I dont know how he did it, he avoided somehow not paying these people almost a dime. I hope they collect. Dana are you going to say how old you were, greg . Greg i was born. So its nice to hear from all these old people. I got to say, this one really hurts. Its funny, i always think of that car rental commercial when i am running through the airport after stabbing two people. Did you know that steve doocys wife was in that commercial . Shes the one who tosses the car keys to o. J. I think she really dodged a bullet, or at least a knife. I think o. J. s real crime was making Jeffrey Toobin famous. Some facts about o. J. Come he left behind five children, and other people he didnt murder. He dies holding, i guess, the record for the average rushing yards per game. And most stabs in a brentwood driveway. Do we really know he is dead, though . Maybe we should ask in l. A. Jury. They might declare him alive. Whos going to search for the real killer now . I hear Jussie Smollett is free, he has been searching for those other trumpers, maybe he can pack this in. One oh to khloe kardashian, you may have lost a dad but you still have two moms. So now justice my lesson here is justice is wholly fallible if it can be throttled from outside forces. You cant get a fair trial, and that wasnt a fair trial to the victims. So you need to apply that lesson to now. We are in a political and a social and emotional climate we are getting a fair trial is hard to get. And as much as you hate derek chauvin, right, you still know that trial was unfair, thanks to the documentary, the fall of minneapolis, and Michael Avenatti agrees there is no chance of a fair trial for trump in new york or else the proponents would not mind if he moved it outside of new york. What i learned, it is not about the evidence in the trial, it is where you present it to. It is not about whats inside the courtroom, its about whats outside the courtroom, and how it applies pressure to the judge and jury, whether the threat of public chaos or media outrage, the o. J. Trial showed us what would and what could come when the court of Public Opinion trumps the actual court of law. That jerry made a political decision, and emotional decision, but it certainly wasnt a legal one. Jesse could make a programming note, tonight we have kato kaelin on Jesse Watters primetime. Dana great booking. All right, o. J. Simpson dead at 76 years old today. Ahead, President Biden hobnobbing with celebrities at a state dinner while americans skip meals to afford housing. Heres to Getting Better with age. Heres to beating these two every thursday. Help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need. Without the stuff you dont. So, heres to now. Boost. Remember space . And legroom . Thats more like it. The threerow lexus tx. When barbara switched to turbotax. 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And while they got to fill their bellies, new Report Claims and an Alarming Number of americans are skipping meals just so they can afford their home. And this has got to sting. A voter panel on bidens favorite cable news show, morning joe, is slamming bidenomics. We hear from voters in michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania, undecided voters. Here are their answers when they are asked about how President Biden is doing on the economy. Take a listen. President trumps policies on the economy would be better for your family, personally, raise your hand. All right, so that is everybody. Accountability. He is talking about the economy, the stock market, not looking at homelessness or joblessness, not thinking about how much it cost to go to the Grocery Store. He has gaslighting literally everyone in the process. Judge jeanine but bidens defenders are doing their best to brainwash voters into thinking that the economy is doing great. Social media and the misrepresentation, disinformation, all of those things are out there, and that is the battle we have to fight, and we have to do a better job of fighting it more effectively. We just got breaking news. The Consumer Price index increased at a faster than expected pace last month. A signal that inflation remains stubbornly high. Judge jeanine okay, jesse, i will start with you. Even the undecided voters on that panel with morning joe were complaining and basically saying joe is in denial come he doesnt understand how much we are hurting. Do you think that joe, morning joe, and mika, were trying to send a message to biden . They know he watches every morning. Jesse it depends on if they knew what they were going to hear first. I dont know if they knew what the answers were first but that look like, to me, the first time they had interviewed anybody besides themselves. We have johnny. Johnny goes out to the streets and he gets the pulse of the people. I dont think they have gotten the pulse. I think their only pulse is the studio. Thats not going to cut it. Disinformation . They actually put out a report that said inflation is a good thing last year. The expectation is that inflation is going to cool to a point where he is going to come and have a little runway going into november but that is not going to happen so i have a little advice for the libs and richard. Because you cannot bring inflation down fast enough, you have to say this. You have to say donald trump will make inflation worse. You have to say donald trump will let russia just ripped through ukraine and make putins price hike even bigger. You have to say trumps tax cuts are going to make inflation worse. Youre going to say trump greedy ceo buddies are going to keep gouging you. And the spelling or doesnt even know what the price of milk is come anyway, so dont fall for it. Thats what they have to do. Now why did i just say that . Because i am so bored of saying the same thing for four years judge jeanine all right, richard, would you like to answer that . Jim clyburn says that people are in denial but they are not really seeing how bidenomics is helping them. I mean, people are every day at the Grocery Store seeing it. Richard look, a couple of things. I grew at jesses point that there is a clear contrast to be made between the current occupant of the white house and the former document of the white house, right . When you hear donald trump talk about the economy that he wants, 2018, 2017, you rarely ever hear him talk about 2025 or 2026 or 2027 or the plan, what hes going to do with the winds. He just reminisces about the past. I think all of those arguments are true, jesse, thanks for that. Jesse going to work because richard but i also think that there has to be some contrition from this white house and saying, listen, the inflation is not exactly where we want it to be, right, but here are the things we are doing to make your life easier at home. One thing we are doing is this we are capping the cost of late fees on credit cards to 8 a month, which means that will save the American People and Working Families up to 12 billion every year. We have already capped Insulin Payments to 35 a month for senior citizens. Not to mention the fact we have the longest the longest sprint of job growth, t