Killed. The fatal events that led that confrontation. Browns family wants answers. With the individual getting down on his hands and knees, raising his hands in the air, and saying dont shoot. This is a universal call for i surrender. And can i hear my cousins voice right now as i speak saying dont shoe shoot. Yet, still, the officers stepped to him and shots him. Lets go now to fox news mike tobin live in ferguson with the latest. Mike . Latest development here is that it is raining now. That ought to work to thin the numbers here at ground zero. Ground zero for the demonstration. That is the property in front of the quick trip store where the demonstrations from formed up every night where the big clashes clashes with police have been. Police are watching this with a will the of tension as they have every night since the shooting. The difference being that a fresh wave of emotion was injected into the situation here tonight. A lot of that coming from the police. The statement from the police chief, that officer wilson would not have known there was a robbery. Would not have known that mike brown was part of that robbery when he originally confronted mike brown according to the chief, the reason they stop brown and his friend Dorian Johnson was because they were walking in the middle of the road blocking traffic. What we still dont have information about is what caused that stop to become a fight. What caused the Police Officer to be beat up side the head. What led to the use of lethal force and ultimately the death of mike brown. Guys . All right. Thanks, mike. Lets get to the man who graciously let us rent out his hour for the evening, the one, the only bill oreilly, the host of the oreilly factor. He joins us now on the phone. And he has been following this situation very closely in ferguson, missouri. Now, bill, as i see it today, three big details dropped, one that Surveillance Video of brown stealing the cigarettes allegedly assaulting the store owner, running out the door. The name, of course, of the officer plitsz chief coming out saying that the officer did not have any knowledge of that he was a suspect in that robbery. What is your take on todays veants . The story makes me angry. Thats why im taking time out of my vacation to be with you guys tonight. I want the factor audience and everybody else it know that this is just bull. Just bull. And heres the deal. People, unfortunately these days, believe what they want to believe they are not waiting to see what really happened. Thats number one. Ejp c c trying to convince people of the truth, unquote. All right . The truth. When he they have no blanking idea what happened. None. So decent people step back and say, you know what . We want to know why this unarmed black man was killed by the police. But we are not going to we are going to wait and see if the system works. All right . Now the system has to work in this case because the president of the United States has already weighed in and the attorney general has a, lets say a rooting interest to get stuff done. This isnt the irs scandal, all right . He has got to get the facts of the case out so lets start there. That decent people step back and allow the facts to emerge. Number two, you know, if you guys want to jump in just jump. In i would like to jump, in bill. This is beckel. Decent people showed up at town Hall Meetings in the last two days to let their frustrations out in a peaceful way to both policemen and to the town officials. And, yet, as far as i know, no network ran a single piece of footage of those. I dont know whether you did on your show. I know we didnt do it on our show. And i just want. We did, bob. Of the town hall meeting . Yes, we did. I take that back then. Is it not the case that most of the people involved in these protests are people who are doing it peacefully, the ones who are the small minority who are doing the rioting are the ones getting on the air. Its not so much that. I would think that most people are upset and they certainly have a right to be upset and make a point that they dont want unarmed people being shot down for no reason but there may have been a reason. Because when the story first broke we were told that the victim was just a regular guy. Now we know he is not a regular guy. He see it on tape. We saw what he did in that convenience store. Is he not a regular guy. All right . Draw any conclusions but is he not a regular guy the cop didnt know that. We dont know what he knew. The time line is confused. I will say that the Missouri Attorney general should have taken this over from the jump. Its confusing. They are in over their head in ferguson. They dont know how to handle it and how to hold a press conference and how it to answer questions, they dont know how to do anything. The state of missouri should be running this show. Even more, now im hearing from the National Action network, which is a despicable organization that this is a smear they put out of this video of the victim assaulting a clerk and stealing some stuff in a convenience store. Its a smear to put that out. Come on, there comes a point where you know what you are up to. We know the racialage territory. The names are very familiar to every american. I think the American Public has got to repudiate these people. If the Police Officer gunned down this guy because the guy was walking in the middle of the street, if, indeed, he had his hands up over his head, then the Police Officer is going to go to jail for the rest of his life. All right . Thats whats going to happen to the officer. We have a presumption of innocence in this country, all right . Even if you are a cop, even if you are a company, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Thats where we should all be started, guilty. Lets go back to the morning i think it was around when was that press conference . 10 15. I didnt have personally any problem with people i want to find out whats going on. I wanted to find out what happened before we heard that the cop, had we he didnt know his name. We heard he had to go to the hospital because he was getting pounded by this guy before he shot him. Then all of a sudden this video pops up and i think its important to the case to see what the 18yearold was up to before he got into the con from station. I can tell you what i know from the press conference. The sheriff said that he went to the hospital with bruises. Because he was getting pounded by the guy. So i dont think he banged his head on the ground. Lead me jump in here you dont want to try this case on television. You dont want to do that. The man had bruises on his face, that will come out in the investigation. The fbi will know, there will be forensics done. There will be a medical report produced. All of that will come out, all right . So we, in the media, we should not be trying this case on either side. But, bill, i know. But he said it in the press conference. It doesnt matter what he said, brian. It doesnt matter. What the sheriff said . No. It doesnt matter what the sheriff said. Because what he says and what takes place in a court of law are two Different Things just as it doesnt matter what a witness says. A witness says he had his hands in the air. He was doing, this he was doing that it doesnt matter what you say on television. It matters what you say under oath under challenge. Are you saying we were better off not seeing that video today. No. And not having the press conference. You had to put the video out because that is the publics right to know. What the public doesnt have a right to do is draw a conclusion of the case from that video. Its not a smear, thats ridiculous as Charles Krauthammer said. Does the public have a right to know that the cop had to get treated for whatever confrontation he had . The public has a right to hear it but not draw any conclusion from it. All right . That all has to be presented in an evidentiary way. We are a nation who wants csi, ferguson, in an hour. You want it solved. Not happening. There has got to be a lot of investigation. And everybody has got to pull back. Bill, jedi ah here. This has led to a Big Conversation about the demilitarization of the police force. A lot of people have weighed in on that. Rand paul who may run for president has come in and wrought a column about that. Should this spar a discussion about the peace force and the tactics that theyre using . No. I dont think its warranted in this case to tell Police Departments across the country what hardware they can have. Thats ridiculous. Do i believe putting these guys out there in ferguson exacerbated the situation. I would not have done that had i been the attorney general of missouri. I would have put people out . Force, but i wouldnt have put tanks out there and snipers out there. I wouldnt have done that i think that was unnecessary escalation at that point. Judgment call, the authorities made the wrong call but to say the face rioting at any time shouldnt have every weapon at their disposal is insane. You said there is presumption of innocence for the Police Officer, obviously true. That applies to Michael Brown the victim here as well. Even if the videotape is correct and it shows that he stole cigars, an 18yearold kid should not be shot over swisher sweet. Absolutely not. He has a presumption of innocence as well in all of the controversy surrounding him. And because he is dead, and because his family is grieving, all right, he has to be given more latitude in the sense of judgment so you cannot make a judgment about mr. Brown. Is he dead. So just out of human kindness and sympathy, you cant do that. I want that to be very, very clear. However, however, you have a situation where there is so much evidence being put on tv thats unchallenged evidence, unchallenged. All right . That you have got to say if you are a a decept fair minded person, enough. Well try this in a court of law. We wont look. I hate this justice no peace slogan. I hate this. Whose justice are you talking about . Yours . Al sharptons justice . If you want al sharptons justice you are going to have anarchy in this country, right . Thats the kind of justice that guy belgds, to justice, no peace . You are not in charge of the sign. Justice is meted out through our system which has worked since the first constitution was enacted thats where justice is enacted. Not out in the street bill, its tantaros again. I want to ask your thoughts on how you think the administration has handled this situation, of course, president obama weighing in from Marthas Vineyard yesterday. A little bit troubling to me that he led with what he thought were the facts of the case when nobody has the facts of the case and also your thoughts on attorney general eric holder saying that he is launching a civil rights investigation, specifically civil rights into this instance. Number one, the president has a perfect right and a responsibility to call for calm all right . Number two, he should never comment on the facts of the case, never number three he can show sympathy it the family, thats appropriate. Number 4, he should have done it once and once only. Not twice. Holder, holder is doing that, the civil rights angle, i believe, to deintensify the situation. I dont mindyou are going to hat kind of investigation anyway. How are you how could you not call it civil rights. White and this kid is black. Right, and i have every confidence that holder will investigate this honestly. But, heres the rub. Holder has been so ebb inat the extent up to this point that much of the country has no confidence in him at all. So his chicken just came home to roost as the reverend wright just once said. Because he has been so incompetent that he has lost the confidence of many of the folks. Okay. Let me ask you this. The police chief decides he has this video in the store for four days. He decides to release it the same day relee relee leases the name of the cop. Is that smart or racial move on his part . I dont believe that guy any racial motives at all. Why didnt he release the videotape then . Because is he sympathetic to his man. Are the. Fine. If you are the leader, bob of paramilitary if they have a videotape that puts a different light on the victim, they are going to release it now. Shouldnt they have held it back . I have to ask the man that he didnt look like the brightest bulb to me. Thats for sure. With all due respect to him. He looks like he is way in over his head. He is he probably taking order from other people about what to do. But, look, i dont mind them releasing that videotape. They had to do that as far as the timing is concerned, again, everybody pulled back. Well find out what happened here. I have confidence that well find out. Bill, this is henry again. It seems like maybe that goes to your point about how the state attorney general should have stepped in immediately. He should have stepped in right away. The state authorities should are taken it over. They had this videotape whether it proves anything about Michael Brown or not. The police chief sitting on this didnt speak to the family of the victim forever days that was one of the things obama got out yesterday you have to have transapparently fair point. However. Wait a minute, look. Another thing you are not taking into consideration. They may have held that videotape back for the family. The family of the victim, the brown family, all right . So the guy is dead. You want to put that video out a day or two after and besmirch the kid . All right, come on o. Look, again, step back, all right you . Step back and you let this thing play out. But americans, im telling you you have to stop these exploiters. The people who are exploiting these tragedies we all know who they are. You have got to stop these people because they are really harming the nation. Well, Jesse Jackson, while you were talking before, we just saw footage of Jesse Jackson walking through the streets. Al sharpton is going to have another demonstration on sunday. Once he left, things calmed down. Once we got ron johnson in charge, who grew up in the community and he came counsel, i think he has done a great job. He actually was marching last night with some of the protesters. Do you know what i think we are going to end up bill probably in on your show he in three and a half weeks. The bigger story is going to be what paul ryan did about six months ago. Is he like what is going oned in the inner city. Why do these people feel so frustrated. Would is i it that generations feel this country is not for them . I think the next candidate, the next effective politician will not be focusing on this incident. Will be focusing on why one incident can blow up an entire town like this and have the whole country talking. Well, you want me to answer that . Do you have time . Yeah. Okay. When people are poor, they are frustrated. All right when people feel powerless they are frustrated. So the communities across the country that that are poor and not necessarily that they have to be black, you dont have any power something happenings you want to vent. That has been going on since the dawn o civilization. Second thing is we are living in an age now where people are not disciplined in their thinking think are easily led. Thats frightening because the mob can really damage a country and these guys who know how to exploit these, these race hustlers and agitators, they know how to push these buttons. Yeah. You remember the lynchings back in the 19th century. Yeah, you remember jim crow, right . Well, nothing is better. This is same stuff that your grandparents had to go through. And you are going through it now you can whip people up. The demagogues have done that throughout history. Thats what theyre selling, grievance. And it makes me sick. Thats why im on the phone with you tonight. If had you to give a grade to the media in terms of how they have handled this situation, what would you give them . You know, i mean, look, its a big story there is no, sir many goodsologied in yawdz there is not much going on in the United States. There is a story that the media has to cover. Its great pictures for television. I dont mind the media covering it. But i do mind the media giving unfettered access to the agitators and not the way i am tonight i called you from my vacation because im furious that these people whipping this crowd up in ferguson are going largely unchallenged. I want it to stop. Im going to do everything i can to make that happen. All right. Bill. Thanks so much. All right, guys. Thank you for joining us. I appreciate you guys having me in tonight. Bill oreilly, thanks so much. Thanks for loaning us your hour. Next have Police Become too militarized in america . We will debate how the force in mergenthalerson handle this crisis. Stay tuned for a special edition of the five. Ferguson police have looked more like combat troops in the last week since the protest erupted since the shooting of Michael Brown. They have been using military styled equipment from Armored Vehicles to sniper rifles. The militarization of Police Forces in america has come under heavy scrutiny from both sides of the aisle during these troubled times in missouri has put the spotlight on it. This whole program, andrea is, called the 1033 program. Its been around since the late 80s, 90s. When the military has an opportunity to grind up their metal equipment or sell it to different Police Forces at cut down rates do you have a problem with seeing camouflage and military kimmitt on our streets. I dont. Its better to have it and not need it than not have it and need it. At thistypically Police Forces e horrible armies and armies make horrible Police Forces. If you have full blown riot like it appears they have been having night after night in ferguson . What else are you supposed to do . Im not on the ground there. Im not making these decisions. I have to assume this police chief, the last thing he wants is for one of his men to end up dead. So he would rather arm them to the best that he can, to the best of his ability oso they can go out there and quell again, its more of a pr problem to see them marching down the street like an army. If this is what they have got to do to stay safe, im fine with it. It begs the question, its a militarization