Files. Health care. Com doesnt last. Intelligence agencies underestimated isis. The dhs why should we trust what shes saying about the cdc, that they being able to handle this . Theres been growing september him we deal with it quickly, we deal with it forcefully to make sure it doesnt happen. Its a big problem for the country. This lack of trust in all of our institutions is one of the more pernicious problems of our time. We understand why people are very worried about ebola, they just dont trust government officials and even private institutions like hospitals to do the job competently and to tell them the truth, we have been battered by incompetent leadership, we have a disease like this hitting our shores, we need to be able to trust our government, we need to be able to trust our institutions, u but we cant. Im going to start with the contrarian view to that, because in your view, distrust of government is not a bad thing. Thats what dpe fines conservatism the government is great for roads and obviously for protecting us, and thats important. The problem isnt our cynicism, its the lack of cynicism in the media, their lack of distrust for president obama has allowed this unfettered incorporate tense to flourish, to unfold. All these scandals that we have discussed have never had any consequences, whether its the irs, fast and furious, benghazi, because there are no consequences for these scandals, we have seen the white house go from the who is to the animal house. Its a mess, and its because no one is paying attention, the media has abdictated their responsibility. Our citizenship is great. Im talking about the citizens, but when the press doesnt have it, thats a problem. Thats an interesting thing. And i want to pullup this quote from peggy noonan from her column on saturday from the wall street journal, shes fog about civil conserve vants and how theres a lack of the only people who seem to tell the truth now are the people inside the agencies who become whistle blowers, those are people who couldnt take the corruption. What does it say about a great nation when its most reliable Truth Tellers are desperate people . Approximate but its true, thats become the culture of responsibility. And we wait, we sit there and hold our breath until a whistle blower comes forward. And we have seen in in a number of scandals that have come forward. I worked as a civil servant, as a prosecutor, representing the state of california. We took great pride in our job, and i wonder where has that gone, where has this feeling of service and dedication, trying to give the most you can, to give back to your country. Very disturbing to me because now the American Public really does have mistrust. What we have seen the gross mismanagement, when they say i found out on fox news, throw somebody under the bus, thats the pattern and the unfortunate part is that that has become expected. This is an ap poll thats similar to a gallup one, do you think this is built up over time, though, in your experience . Yeah, thats one of the things i think we ought to keep in mind here, the unraveling of the trust in government began in the johnson years, obviously nixon in watergate. The last one that probably got through it already is eisenhower achkd maybe kennedy until he was killed. Lets remember that roosevelt started a lot of programs. Johnson did the great society. And this is a liberal talking. I have said this many times and i will repeat it again. They were all well intentioned, but we bred generations of dependent people. I think the lack of trust in government goes not to the state, you see the local government was very well trusted. Its not anymore. It used to be local anchors and tv stations most trusted. Unions are not trusted, corporations are not trusted. What does that tell you about organizations in general . Leave aside the government, obama and all the scandals, but this is something thats gone on for decades now and its only going to get worse. Do you think government is just unmanageable at the size that it is and we need to have a humble approach and humility when we think of what government can actually do . We have these speeches, president obama goes to the Northwestern University and talks about how great the economy is. We have scandal upon scandal, but one thing thats probably the most scandalous of them all is to tell people that the economy is great, when wages are stagnant, homeowner ship is down. When they say prices arent going up, tell that to the gas pumps, tell that to the mom whos trying to put food on her table. They exclude the cost of inflation with all these things going up. One more very important, last election president obama vilified the fat cat wall street bankers, remember that class warfare thing, the guys who were in the park, look at the only people who benefitted over the last six years under president obama, the 1 ers in wall street whos become fatter and more rich and no one else is. Your obsession with obama, its as if obama was here since the beginning of time, you dont have a Historical Perspective of this. I want to talk about washington, you dont want to talk about it. I want to talk about something that took place 20 years, but the fact is, you keep coming back to obama, obama, obama, and its getting frankly old. Is america better off under president obama . According to him, they are. Just wait a second, thats my Historical Perspective, every president has had their moments when people are not satisfied. I remember one in particular, august of 2005 when Hurricane Katrina hit, and that was a failure at government level that required a lot of review and some new programs that were put in place, or plans that were put in place for better response. We did something about it, when you see something thats a fail, you have to own up to it. And thats leadership and you can learn from that. I just bring up katrina as an kpachl of its not just necessarily a president obama thing, but maybe it is a government issue. Let me ask you about Going Forward in 2016. If you think you want to be a candidate in 2016, if you believe that a do you believe there would ever be a campaign slogan, ill do less and not try to reform all these government programs. I think we have become accustomed to the idea that government is here to stay. So you have to persuade the vote theyre what youre going to do is actually beneficial and not harmful. The perception that president bhaum is dealing with right now is that he takes no definitive action unless its easy and pleasing to activists and media who happen to agree with him. So he can make the phone calls, but he cant make the real calls and thats why i think the candidate is important. Its somebody who says i will make the real call when its absolutely necessary as opposed to this idea of considering options. Right now i think we have an administration that is like a finicky diner at a restaurant, asking 20 questionses about the salad dressing while all you want is a beer. Thats why people dont see president obama making decisions, they see him dithering. Government has not changed, it has grown. When i first came to washington, there were minimal subcommittees. When i first came to washington, there were 1,700 registered lobbyists, there are Something Like 40,000 of them now. The way i would campaign in 2016 would be, we have run this ship as far as we can the way its built. Achkd even i as a liberal, lets do zero based budgeting. But the problem is, we keep building on the titanic. Can i ask eric a question based on that . Because this morning in the washington host, fred hyatt wrote a piece about how the administration, john panetta had gone out and talked about president obama had solved the problem and they dont need to. In 2014, it looks good on paper, but beyond that, theres actually a disaster waiting to happen. But are they so cynical on a campaign that came in saying they were going to be this party of big ideas has ended up saying they dont even really need to do anything. I didnt read the piece, but they say they have solved the entitlement problem. Its out of control. We have almost 100 more on food stamps than there were 10 years ago. College tuitions are exploding. People cant afford to live, but the entitlement programs are allowing people who cant afford to be fed, being fed and clothed and house bid the government, people are more dependent on government than ever. But its unsustainable. Financially not sustainable. But its a great way to garner votes. Eric, you keep talking about obama and food stamps, obama and this, obama and that. Do you realize that the rules changed and people became more eligible for food stamps under obama. U youre wrong. You got to understand that bill clinton instituted a work for welfare, you remember that . President obama lifted that rule. He did not . There have been modifications to it that have made modifications, i agree with that, but he didnt lift it. To what bob said about what a candidate should do. A smart candidate would be looking for one lasting symbol of the Obama Administration to hang it on and that would be the white house intruder. The one thing that i think that can cover every problem thats gone wrong is a country with its guard down. Whether it is terror, whether it is debt, borders, the white house door. Were 17 trillion in debt and we cant afford a lock. America, it seems like everythings open and nobodys home. And if somebody can articulate that per sively that we start thinking a broader context that, we just think about obama, obama, obama. I understand, i think you do. But i think certainly the way that we pick topics here, its generally antiobama, antiobama. Its bigger than that, obamas going to be gone in two years. I agree with you, and whoever the president he or she is, at that point, if the policy is the say. High taxization, redpribting of wealth. Youll get the same thing. Were not going to stop talking or analyzing ow things could be done in a better way. I got to go. Where are you going . Im not leaving. We ha. Up next, president obamas former press secretary, says americans need to get ready for a really long war against radical islam. How long . Well have the answer when we come back. In its latest beheading tape, isis has threatened to murder a former u. S. Army ranger. The driving force in our family has always been to serve others. Our son was living his life according to that same humanitarian call when he was taken captives. We implore his captives to use their power and let our son go. They got a letter from their son who said he is afraid to die. The 36yearold has been held captive for a year. Leon panetta says America Needs to be prepared for a very long war. I think it represents the kind of evil nature of that kind of islamic extremism that is just as dangerous as al qaeda. If they establish a base of operations in that part of the world, its only a matter of time before they will then use it as a basis on which to attack this country. I think were looking at, you know, kind of a 30year war, kind of history here. And that was a big piece of news that came out, or at least one of them, of a particular interview, bob, you have Work Experience with panetta, what do you think of these comments . Is he realistic . Hes an old friend of mine when i first ran for congress. What bothers me is not some of the policy differences he has, although im not sure putting weapons into syria three years ago would have gotten this thing not to have happened. But what amazes me is, the big story we hear on attacks on obamas policy always seem to come when theyre out pushing their books. Think about it, the big stories we have heard have been around books. If that it seems to me at some point, you got a responsibility to stand up and say, after youre out of government, this was wrong. I have got to ask leon and hes going to be yelling at me, i know. Ive got to ask him, why didnt say this before his book was published . I dont think its untrue. I think he believes it. Some of it is right that he believes and some of it i these hes dead wrong. But dont you think he could actually change the course of politics . Its like gates and panetta, they could have changed it a lot more if they werent selling books. Im agreeing with you, if this was so important, he should have been saying this when it mattered, its like showing up at the titanic a month later with a life jacket, like this could have helped us make decisions earlier if he was more very sif rouse about his feelings, but its also a book and its to help hillary, wright . I think youre right. Whatever reasons, the motivation of his book or he just really believes it or both, or neither, or whether its just for hillary, i think hes right, i think we are involved, maybe not 30 years, maybe a 300year war with radical islam and finally someone will call it a war with radical islam. But do you realize what we have become . Europe opened the door to everyone. They said come on in, we love you. Europe is a lost cause right now. In some parts of europe, they have a 40 Muslim Population with a radical islam problem that they cant solve. If we keep doing the same thing here, saying come on, well take all comers, dont worry about it, were not going to question you, were going to become europe in 20 or 30 years, especially if we have a porous border in the south, were allowing everyone to say, we might be in big trouble, radical islam wants to spread. And it will take the path of least resistance. I want to bring dana in on this. I want to get your reaction. This is fbi director comey on 60 minutes talking about americans that in fact were fighting with isis are entitled under the law to come back into the United States. How Many Americans are fighting in syria on the side of the terrorists . In the area of a dozen or so. Do you know who they are . Yes. Each and every one of them. I think of that dozen or so, i do. I hesitate because i dont know what adont know. With american passports, how do you keep them from coming home and attacking the home land . Ultimately an american citizen, unless their passport is revoked is entitleled to come back, so someone what has fought with isil, we will track them very carefully. Dana, heres the position that you have been, fbi director, he comes outs and tells the american people, i know what i know, i dont know what i dont know. Thats true. You can only actually know the things that you are able to surveil, the information, the tools that you have available. I mean im surprised it is only 12 people. Foreign fighters are talking about all summer the concern that i thought it was more that were over in syriaed that what western passports, but i think that is true a lot more in europe than the United States. Legally, are they allowed to come back into the United States . Yes, unless we change the law, and his job is to follow the law. And i also think when hes being candid and realistic, in saying we think we have got them, were doing everything we can, but we might not, and you have to remain vigilant. Hes covering his ass like everybody else is. There are going to be a big attack, there will be one, i think in the next five years, maybe in the next year, and everybody will be able to say, unlike 9 11, i told everybody there was going to be a big attack. And i dont blame him for going out, it serves a dual purpose, one it does warn people, and secondly it does cover him. They dont want to relive what happened to the people who were in the Intelligence Community back on 9 11. But i still go back to my point, when you talk got the bhuz limbs in europe, in the last 200 years, they almost took over all of europe. Thats why theyre there. Bob, youre very interesting today, i like your Historical Perspective. My only comment was, they had an absolute open border policy about and there are pockets of radical islam within europe that they dont go in and they dont even check and they dont theyre not even abiding by local laws, theyre dictating their own laws and thats a problem. That pc Political Correctness that goes on there, if we want some of that there you use the law as a weapon, you can change the law, thats the beauty of it, when you educate, when you learn, you can find ways to protect the company. Instead of worrying about being friendly all the time, do what you can to prevent these people from coming back into the country. Hes an extremely well respected guy, i would much rather hear somebody like him say we think we have got them all and were working on it rather than having a president whos running for reelection saying al qaeda is on the run. I actually would must rather have the honesty of comby. He says were expecting an attack, we know these people are hell bent on destruction and were going to be ready for it. When we come back, some members of a Senate Campaign family are caught on tape exposing what they say are lies coming out of the politicians mouths, that and more coming up in the fastest seven next. Well, welcome back. Time for the fastest seven minutes on television. Plea political stories, seven pdq minutes. Next up, democrat Allison Lundgren grimes is some of her own Campaign Workers say, they were caught on under cover camera. Watch this. You cant be a state wide politician and con tell coal, you cant, youre not gonna win. Shes saying something positive about coal because she wants to be elected . Riling. And in the state of kentucky, if youre anticoal, you will not get elected, period. I mean i really dont think her part is 100 in backing coal, but she has to say she is because she will not get a huge number of votes if she doesnt. I mean there were several of them, we only had time for a couple. But there were several and it was a common theme, she needs to stay what she needs to say to get elected, even though she probably doesnt believe it. Isnt that Politics Today . And thats what everybody knows, thats why theres such dissatisfaction and low poll numbers when it comes down to peoples belief and trust in politicians. You have someone saying, im not going to listen to whats going on in d. C. , or listen to those people, the other politicians, im just going to listen to you directly, be responsible to the voters, thats what im going to own up to. Whats your problem, bob . I dont have a problem, but i dont know of a single politician in kentucky or West Virginia who hasnt theyre very powerful, they got a lot of money. She prob