Im sorry if what happened. I know things will get better as time goes on. I want to thank you for reaching out to me. An impressive young man. And tim jackson lost his 87yearold grandother mother. Its hard to process. Its really, really hard. Its challenging because i dont believe that she deserved to kind of go this way. And the pastor is him remembered as a force in that community. He is the leader that brought the zeal and energy to our church and he will be extremely missed in this community and especially as a leader of our church. An amazing person. The nation and Law Enforcement now turning their full focus on the case at hand of this alleged shooter. Last night we learned from a woman who spoke to one of the survivor that the killer allegedly allowed one woman to live so that she tell his story. He told one of the elderly members, he asked did i shoot you and he said no. He asked her if he had shot her . Yes. And she said no. And he said good. Because we need a survivor because im going to kill myself. Policy of this program not to name names or show the faces of mass murderers, but we are interested in getting to the bottom of this new debate that has now sparked over the issues of violence and race in this country. Mike tobin joins us live. Mike. Reporter just a short time ago, we heard from the mayor of charleston describes the suspect as heinous and hateful, this as video has surfaced shot by one of the victims himself, showing the suspect in the church surrounded by the very people he was gunned down in cold blood just a short time later. And reports surfaced quoting an anonymous Law Enforcement source saying he almost waved off his own attack because the people in that church were so nice to him. There were indicators in the runup that he was hateful, he was trouble, that he could do something violent. Wofrpt few friends he had took away high school. The 45 caliber handgun, ultimately gave it back to him when he sobered up. A few friends he had say they did hear hateful language coming from him and ramping up in the days leading up to the murders. Here is joseph meeks. He just told me that the black people was taking over the country and that he wanted to be segregation. Reporter and buried if the reports about his february arrest for trespassing is an indication of strong drug use found on his person something people use when theyre hooked on openiates. Available by prescription and also on the black market. So while the city focuses on healing, some are in intense engagements over how to characterize the shooter and the role of race. One columnist writing, quote shooters of color are calmed terrorists and thugs. Why are white shooters called mentally ill . Joining me now for more on that senator tim scott from South Carolina. Senator, welcome. Thank you and our thoughts are with you and the whole community there. I know its a very difficult time for everybody in South Carolina. So let me start with that. We certainly appreciate your prayers for our state and for certainly the Charleston Community at large. Let me talk to you about what we just mentioned in terms of this editorial. What do you make of that characterization is it true in your mind . I think what is true is that we have a man who committed a heinous crime and it seemed like his heart was completely filled with late and it scrambled his mind. I think pundits out there trying to figure out why he did what he did, perhaps thats a good line of conversation for someone. For me what im looking at is a community that is suffering because of his actions. There are nine people that lost their lives. For me what is important is that our Law Enforcement did a fantastic job of bringing this guy about in. I look forward to seeing how our Community Comes together and deals with the challenges. Im optimistic that well have a very strong response from the community here in South Carolina and charleston. How you label the perpetrator is not top of the mind for me. Understood. There is all this discussion when we look at these issues as to whether or not what is terrorism, is it accurate to call him a terrorist. But you make a great point because i think the most important thing right now are these victims and their families. And what is quite clear to everyone is that this was an evil evil act on the part of this young man and questions will be raised down the road about whether or not he was mentally ill, whether he was part of a Larger Organization whether this is part of a bigger picture. But for now it seems fitting that we stay focused on those who were lost as you point out, sir. And i guess in keeping with that the president pretty much immediately went to the issue of gun control bemoaning the fact that he would never be able to pass real gun control legislation at the federal level. What do you say about that senator . I think the president is off base on this one. The fact of the matter is what type of gun law would have made this situation not occur . Frankly, he was already breaking gun laws that currently exist when he went into a church with a gun, as a person charged with a felony he had a gun. So the laws were already broken. To suggest that there is somehow a way for us to specifically stop this occurrence with Gun Legislation seems to be inconsistent with the facts as we know them on the ground. He had a hand gun. This was not an automatic weapon. So there is really no conversation to be had that somehow these gun laws that we have are not working. The fact is that as gun laws in force, frankly its not an enforcement issue, had the guy obeyed the gun law, we would not be here. But the challenge is that laws are created for a just society. This guy was not trying to be a part of a just society. I want to go back to the issue that was in that editorial for a moment though. Because there was an effort it feels right away to sort of make this a part of a bigger very troubled history that has existed, this is a black church, it was attacked by a young man who has espoused thoughts of segregationism and white supremacy. So when you heard about this crime and when you think about it now do you see it as a part of that continuum, as a part of that difficult history, or as something that appears to be separate from that . I think the fatherct of the matter is that people all around the country and world struggle with different types and Different Levels of prejudice and certainly racism is a real fact. It has not been eliminated. But we have made so much progress. What i hear in the question very often is not analysis of the individual but an attempt to drag us back to a yesteryear. I think its very important for us to, say, yes, this guys activity motivations were racist without any question. Racism was in his heart and he said he needed to do something toward black folks. And he carried out a vicious attack. But to try to put that label on South Carolina and or on people at large i think is inconsistent with the experience that so many of us have had here in South Carolina. Weve made so much progress that we should be talking about. Unfortunately, in the midst of a tragic situation, peoples minds go in all directions. And understandable to some extent but im trying to focus on facts and helping my community restore, heal and come back together. Its a Wonderful Community charleston. Its a Great American city. And when you hear that heartbreaking part of the story that he almost didnt do it because the people in that church were so nice to him, it really does break your heart. Senator, thank you very much. Good to have you with us take. Thank you very much. President obama last night went to a Beverly Hills fundraiser and he again spoke angrily over the issue of gun control. We did some Fact Checking on what the administration has done on this issue and what it has not. Plus an amazing story of one womans brave role in helping to capture the charleston shooter. What a dramatic story this is. Youll hear directly from her in a hospital. And then the teenaged son of one of the Church Shooting victims had a moment yesterday that could teach the whole country how to better handle faith and forgiveness. I just say love is always stronger than hate. So if we just love the way my mom would and the hate wont be anywhere close to what love is. One day a rider made a decision. 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Im going to cabo dont settle for uverse. Xfinity is perfect for people who want more entertainment for their money. We dont have all the facts, but we do know once again innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. At some point we as a country will have to regular on with the fact that this type of Mass Violence does that happen in other advanced countries. It doesnt happen in other places with this kind of frequency frequency. At some point it will be important for the American People to come to grips with it. And for us to be able to shift how we think about the issue of gun violence collectively. President obama yesterday commenting on the tragedy in charleston expressing sorrow for the victims and then turning to the issue of gun control. Even while his critics were asking whether it was too soon to start that conversation in the wake of this horrific conversation. The president then traveled to two california fundraisers last night and raised the issue again, this time with some big names from hollywood joining in. Joining us now Senior Adviser for americans for solutions. And staffer for congresswoman gaby gaby gifford. Good to have you both. The president talked about the fact that people believe this is a problem in the United States and that is at least in part due to lax gun laws. What say you . Well, two things. First of all, its not because of lack of laws. And ill get to that in a second. But secondly the president said this didnt happen elsewhere. Thats categorically and provably untrue. The worst mass shooting in the word happened in norway with tough gun laws. Three of the worst School Shootings were in germany who has tough gun law. Britain has a much higher rate of Violent Crime than the United States. The president is just factually off base. The president has been banging on the gun law for the last several years. The fact is there were already laws being broken that the president could enforce by picking up the phone and calling his attorney general or Loretta Lynch and say, listen get out there and start enforcing these law. I could give you a couple examples. It was illegal for this shooter, this killer, to go into that church with a gun. It was illegal for him to carry a concealed weapon. It was illegal for him to buy a gun because he was already facing a drug accusation that would have row hinted him from clearing the background check. So the all true. Do you believe the president s wrong in this case . Well, the president was talking simply about Mass Shootings, which, yes occur very very frequently in this country. And as he said dont occur as frequently in other developed nations. This is a fact of life in this country that needs to be addressed. But they do occur in other nations. He never said they dont. Maybe they happen to a greater extent here but i dont really see how thats relevant when you kind of break it down the way that lars just mentioned. And that is that we have laws on the books that are not enforced. So to say that some other effort other than enforcing what is on the book is going to make a difference and i dont even know frankly if those would make a difference. There a lot that needs to happen. We need to enforce the laws that are on the books. He we need to pass common sense laws that protect responsible gun owners rights but also go after the loopholes that allow people to get weapons that shouldnt have them. But its also about your family and community. This was a person clearly suffering from serious Mental Illnesses. He had delusions of committing this horrible crime and starting a race war and yet his family either his father bought the gun for him, but people know that this person had a gun and he shouldnt have had it. So this isnt an answer just simply the government regulating our laws. The only people, lars who had any inkling that he was up to anything would have been his family and his friends who may have had some clues. And we heard from the one young man who said that he thought he was going awry something was wrong. But really, who thinks that the person that they know is capable of this . Well, even when they do martha the problem is ive heard from plenty of families who say we called the police we said our son, our daughter, usually our son, is at risk of doing something crazy. And the police will say reasonably there is nothing we can do until that person has actually broken the law or has demonstrated that hes a danger to himself or others. Let me tell you one law that id love to hear pias take on that helped people put at risk in that church. There is a law in South Carolina that says law abiding citizens cannot legally carry a concealed weapon in a church. Gun free zones are dangerous places to be. Virtually all of the Mass Shootings in america have happened in gun free zones. And where there are people who are lawfully and legally armed, these kinds of shootings have been stopped. We have to go. I want to give pia a quick chance to respond. Let me just say i dont think thats necessarily true. Most people are not able to respond that quickly to an instance where there is war literally war they dont have a chance if they cant have a concealed weapon. Well, okay. But let me just say one thing. There is something that can be done about stopping a Family Member or friend that you think is about to commit a crime. Its called the gun violence restraining order. And more and more states are considering this. So we talk about how big the laws are and i think thats just a way of really debasing the conversation. But the truth is there are other laws that can be passed to help address this problem. California has done it with the gun violence restraining orders. This is a case if South Carolina would have had that law, it could have been the difference last week. If the people around him were prone to enact it. Thank you very much pia and lars. So while this gun control debate rages organization the president is pushing back against questions about why he personally hasnt done more to make this happen. When speaking at that Beverly Hills fundraiser last night, he mentioned the gun issue and said quote, when i ran in 2008 i in fact did not say i would fix it. I said we could fix collectively as a group in congress and in the white house. Joining me now, chris who has tracked the president s campaign. So how is he doing . Well, as evidenced by his frustration, as evidenced by the rueful statements that he made both in washington and out in Beverly Hills, not well. And he knows it. Remember we started this process in 2009 in april of 2009 in binghamton new york there was a mass shooting at an immigration center. It was a nightmare. And there was an all Democratic Congress and the president did not use that moment that was the first time first incidence of these kinds of mass killings that took place during his presidency. He had an all Democratic Controlled Congress and he didnt pig itck it up then and we didnt hear about it until we got to newtown, connecticut. I remember the president saying after newtown that there was a potent mix of things that went into that, that violent video games, that we have seen time and time again that these young men are spending hours and hours sort of indoctrineateing their brains with this stuff combined with mental ill nthsness, drugs taken for Mental Illness. I think there will be a lot that well learn about this man, a history of drug use, and you combine with that access of somebody that already has those two boxes c