It has been rough. Weve, some of us have been downright angry, but through it all god has sustained us. We have shown the world how we as a group of can come together and pray and work out things that needs to be worked out. A lot of folks expected us to do something strange and to break out in a riot. Well they just dont know us. The doors of mother emanuel is open on this sunday. It sends a message to every demon in hell and on earth. More than 1,000 people attended the service and many more paid their respect at individual vigils honored the victims and their families. The tragedy has actually brought the community closer together. Theres no doubt when youre mind and your heart are consumed with hatred and with racist motivations motivations, that he sought to create a race war, in this country, what he has done for South Carolina and charleston is he has brought our community together. The entire state now is without any question taking a leap forward. What the enemy meant for evil, i believe god will bring good out of it. Kind words, intelligent words. What do you think . Your face is amazing because i think what the reverend said is just right on target and i think tim scott picked up on this. The intent here was race riots, a race war. What we see is people marching across that bridge. The neighboring white church has come across with purple flowers. This is unbelievable. This is South Carolina. Theres a lot of segregation in the state. People said you know what its time for a different way. To me it is emotional and inspiring. The devil was at work. This is an act of absolute base evil to go into a prayer meeting with a gun and kill people and instead you see people who have said thats just the way its been down here white and black folks dont hang around each other, you see people making a statement based on love. To me it is always incredible. I do want to say this about South Carolina. Ive spent time there. I find a very nice place to be with people getting along very well. My experience wasnt that it was segregate segregated. I saw people in different houses of worship. They have come together to worship and also show respect for the victims and their families and the mourning they have done together. Its very tragic that sometimes it takes something as horrible as death to bring people together. If you look at all of the institutions over the last year that have been attacked and demonized, they all performed heroicily. If you look at the police who have been attacked for doing their jobs police within a few hours caught this guy, didnt have to fire any weapons, and brought him back to justice. Fox news has been attacked viciously for doing what we do and it was a fox news viewer who saw this while watching fox and friends called in the tip, and got this guy nabbed. Christianity has been under attack recently for not making a hypothetical gay wedding cake. The fact that these christians came together after this tragedy and forgave this shooter in court like that is just unbelievable, so i was really happy to see that. It was a tough day in church yesterday. I was sitting there and you look around at these Little Church ladies in their hats and their bags. I couldnt help but picture some of the faces we saw on the screen after the shooting and these are the type of person that this monster came in attack attacked. Lets do the opposite of a race war. Whatever you encounter in your life you try to figure out what can i do as an individual to make a difference. Lets make sure to do whatever we can to not do that. The fighting and bickering we have seen afterwards is disheartening. In tragedies, people do come together. It is not surprising to me when this happens. You talked about the forgiveness. Theres something about that. I want to be careful about the way i say this because im not a big forgiveness guy. Sometimes after tragedies i remember it happened after colombi colombine. I lead forgiveness to god. Ill pull the switch. As i do it ill say god have mercy on your soul but its different. And youre supposed to be the funny guy. The thing is i think you said you were inspired by forgiveness. Were you really or did you feel you were supposed to be . I was shocked and inspired by it. Listen everybody reacts to tragedies in different ways. Im not going to second guess the way these people have reacted to the tragedy. You may want to flip the switch but they can still want to forgive them because thats their moral compass. Forgiveness is about your own internal compass. Thats about being able to move on for yourself and getting right with what happened. I dont know if it has anything to bear on this monster, whether he notices or not people forgave him. He might be upset about people forgiving him. I think it has to do with the individual in how they go on in processing and processing their life. Im open to staying angry. If anyone out there dont want to forgive, you can join me. I find it overwhelming that people in the midst of such abuse can somehow say theres something re redemptive factor, if you will. Because theres a spirituality. You see how this has manifested to a teachable moment in charleston charleston. How do you explain the difference . I think the church has been there as a voice for black people so it is organized. You have older people versus very young and uneducated black people. I think everybody is learning. A lot of times people dont see racism or people have been reluctant to acknowledge racism. We have to get along. Some people dont want to see theres a racial difference in america. Guess what . People are seeing it. Eyes are open because theres no way you cant say the kids in ferguson or baltimore, those kids are out of control. Here it is hard to say people in a prayer meeting are out of control. No one is saying that. Thats what im saying. I think theres an opportunity here to say this was rank and wrong, yes, im angry about it but guess what out of the most foul situation, here comes the flower of hope. There are few opportunities here to look at this if you look at the way people react to a muslim terrorist attack such as ft. Hood they say it is workplace violence. Theres not a lot of emphasis on describing even the victims. The president wouldnt even call them christians. He said it was an indiscriminate random attack. He is not calling as it is. Hes trying to separate muslims from the jihad. I understand what hes trying to do. Here you have a nut job who is motivated by hatred and the president calls him racist and all of a sudden White America needs to reflect. I wish the president and everybody could kind of coalesce in the way we deal with muslim jihadists in the same way we deal with this guy. Im all for being honest and not engaging in some sort of pc language. Workplace terrorism or anything like that. Yeah. Obama doesnt want to start a religious war either. Hes trying to downplay that because we want to have the cooperation of other countries, but this is pretty clear. I was surprised when people didnt want to deal with the clarity. I want to thank you for that because thats whats coming up next. Well thank you. The tragedy in South Carolina has already turned political and debate over the Confederate Flag and gun control own the president s use of the nword has intensified. We discuss next. We are standing here and sitting here this morning in faith of our fathers and mothers and in faith of the church you know, just because your bladder is changing it doesnt mean that you have to. With tena® let yourself go. Be the one with the crazy laugh. And keep being their favorite playmate. 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It is incontrovertible that Race Relations has improved significantly during my lifetime and yours and that opportunities have opened up and attitudes have changed. Yeah that is a fact. What is also true is that the legacy of slavery, jim crow discrimination in almost every institution of our lives, you know that casts a long shadow and thats still part of our dna thats passed on. Were not cured of it. Racism we are not cured of clearly. And its not just a matter of it not being polite to say [ bleep ] in public. Thats not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. The president doesnt regret saying it. Africanamerican leaders are coming to his defense. I think in that instance president obama was being the professor that he used to be before he became a United States senator. When i first heard it this morning, i said to myself my lord what was he thinking about and then i saw the whole thing as you just put it. I know what hes thinking about. Hes trying to give a lesson trying to teach a lesson. Those who have been pressing obama to speak more articulately about race this is part of the pay off. This is a man who knows so much more than than hes been allowed to speak about in public places. It is a very powerful word obviously. Does this word right now, right on the heels of charleston do you think this unites people or do you think this divides people . You know me well enough to know because you love hip hop i just cant stand the license that been given mostly to black musicians in using this word, saying we are reclaiming the power of the word by using it and call each other it. This is stupidity. This is an act that i think was intended to dehumanize people to suggest they are less than human. For these people to perpetuate and now for president obama to use it in public its a mistake. Theres a teachable moment here. He never uses that word when hes talking to me because it it would make me feel unablecomfortable and defensive. The polls indicate that white people think black people are less intelligent and trustworthy and patriotic. I dont know about those polls. I know the president seems to be taking an isolated incident from a psychopath racist and extrapolating to indict the entire American Community to say we have racist dna. I dont know about that. Kimberly kimberly what did you think of this . Ive been wanting the president to say this word. Ive been urging the president to say this word and i want him to use it more. Do you feel better now . Really . The president has not been allowed to speak his mind. Really . Hes the president of the United States. He can say what he wants and what he believes and what he feels. I dont think the dialogue has been moved forward for understanding by use of the word by the president. I agree with that. Thats true. Hes dignified. He does not need to even give that word utterance or license. He as the president of the United States is somewhat inhibited because he doesnt want anybody, when hes talking about race to say he should get involved. No way. He can say whatever he wants. Right. At the end of his term he doesnt seem what anyone thinks anyways. Hes exactly in the point where he can say what he wants. I think what you were trying to say and what some of us may have been feeling is you dont want to be lumped in with this monster because you have the same skin color. Its very hard to sit there and feel youre being lumped in with this guy just because we also happen to be right. This was an act of an individual of an individual of one person. Are you sick of being lectured by democrats about being racist . From what i recall i think it was the Republican Party that freed the slaves. I think the Confederate Flag was the flag of the Democratic Party in the south. You have tim scott, black senator, South Carolina. You have an Indian American running for president. What is with all these constant lectures about racists . You make a salient point, but im not sick of being called a rasz racist. Perhaps the president was using that power to lessen its word. Lets all say it. Kimberly you first. No thanks. His podcast is getting tons of publicity. First he got the president and then he got the president to Say Something controversial. Some have been calling for South Carolina to remove the Confederate Flag from state grounds. We are here in a moment of unity in our state without ill will to say its time to move the flag from the capital grounds. [ applause ] for good and for bad, whether it is on the state house grounds or in a museum the flag will always be a part of the soil of South Carolina,but this is a moment in which we can say that flag while an integral part of our past does not represent the future of our state. By removing a symbol that divides us we can move forward as a state in harmony and we can honor the nine blessed souls who are now in heaven. What do you think . I think she spoke passionate passionately and eloquently in the hopes to heal hearts and minds. Im a states right issue person. If they want to do that in their state, it should be their decision to do so. Are you offended by the Confederate Flag . It is a symbol of hate to me. No question about that. I think it was a symbol of people who wanted to break apart from the United States of america, the country i love so dearly people who wanted to secede from this country, so i dont understand. People say it is a matter of our transitions and our ancestors fought in that war. You were fighting against the United States of america. I dont understand it. I dont know. He has hatred in his heart maybe. I have never lived in the south, so i dont think i can understand the symbolism of it. This is just one of those issues that people who are right there are very passionate about. The governor says the time to remove it is now. I dont agree with that. I think it was the time when the civil war ended. I dont have a problem with some guys driving around with it on their truck. But the state house, i dont think it should have ever been at the state house. Let me tell you a quick story. This is a painful story. Quickly. My kids when they were growing up they loved dukes of hazard. They say to me, dad, we want the car. We want the car. I go off to the toy store and what do i find on the side of the car is the Confederate Flag. Many on the left have used the killing to push for stricter gun control. Karl rove explains why that argument might fall flat. Maybe theres some magic law that will keep us from having more of these. The only way to guarantee us to from having these acts to happen in society is to remove guns from society. If you remove all guns criminals are going to be the only ones that have guns right . We have good laws on the book with respect to guns. If we see someone or someone has Mental Health issues or a record you make sure they dont have guns. The answer isnt to take them away. When he came out and made the statement the other day about new gun control laws none of those proposed laws would have prevented this incident. I read a terrific piece pointing out all the democratic proposals would not have prevented this but to my mind i dont understand. Most gun owners are in favor of stronger background checks do not see the need for people going around the country with tremendous automatic weaponry. There are limits. A lot of people especially after obama said something, theres a rush to get the kind of bullets that go into automatic weapons. Thats true. The one thing obama has been good for the economy is the gun industry. Maybe the answer is not to have this conversation around the time when something traumatic like this has happened. Would it have done anything this this specific case . Im not sure we know for sure exactly where he got the gun and all the details around it because all those reports have been so conflicted. Maybe to sit down and talk about the laws that are on the books and what makes sense and what doesnt. Gunfree zones seem pretty dangerous, dont they . I agree. The time is not after a crisis. I didnt like that color coding thing we did after 9 11. I dont think it is good to enact gun laws after a tragedy. Its the wrong time. I dont think it is a good time to remove the flag after this incident. You do it when youre thinking clearly. The latest on the manhunt for the two new york escapees. Reporter this is the first major break about the case. A Franklin County sheriff tells me they thinks theyre closing in on the men and could catch them within the next 24 to 48 hours. 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