For me, this was Opposition Research. It mightve been concrete evidence for all the stories that i had heard that were underreported for years. I wanted to hear it out. Really it went nowhere. Its apparent that that was what the meeting was absolutely about. Jesse why he was meeting in the first place . My take away, someone has information on our opponent. Things are going a million miles an hour. We just won indiana. Things are going a million miles an hour. Hey, i heard about all this but maybe this the something. I should hear them out. Jesse we heard from the russian lawyer he met with, she denies working for the kremlin. Donald trump, jr. , was told and the russian government attorney was flown over from moscow. The russian government attorney. Does that mean you . No. Im simply flattered but i have never worked for the government in the first place. Jesse so, lets talk about donald trump junior for a second, kimberly. We have known him for quite some time. It looked like he seemed pretty casual in that interview. Pretty serious. How do you think he purported himself on hannity . Kimberly i have always known him to be a person of integrity. I think he wanted to get out ahead of it and just tell his story. Saying look, i have nothing to hide. This is how it transpired. My thought process. And give some kind of background in terms of what was going on during the campaign. At the time, to say im getting this information. It looks like an episode of 24, jack bauer. Does someone have information about the opponent . It will be him against Hillary Clinton so, what, if anything, all of the above you want to try to take it down and see if theres any merit to it. I think he found out this wasnt someone that had any information but in fact, it was to talk about an important topic. Adoptions of russian children. That was obviously not what the purpose was. Jesse dana, do you see anything nefarious about this alleged meeting and email conversation . It looks like on the surface, it could be another one of these overhyped stories in the Mainstream Media they could probably go away in a few hours. Dana it might but i do wonder about the changing explanations about the meeting. Trey gaudi was on Martha Maccallums show earlier. He said if you had all this information, why not give it to us now so that we dont have to wait till the New York Times finds out about it. I think it was smart to go on Sean Hannitys show. I think sean asked him some questions that others might not have asked. Im not going to call it nefarious but i do think theres room to question the timeline as to why this all happened and jesse what you mean by timeline . Dana the explanation over the last three days. Getting out in front of the New York Times and releasing the emails. Saying actually, heres the emails before the New York Times could run the story. I think that lasted for like four hours. If all of this is innocent, why could it not have been talked about several months ago . Just in terms of perception, another problem, a month after the meeting he was on jake tappers show and he said anything such and such is ridiculous. I can maybe not understand not remembering the meeting from a year ago but a month ago the russian governments willing to help you and he said i love it . Especially if its for later in the summer . I dont think its nefarious, i think people can question the judgment but hes questioning his own judgment and said he would have done it differently. Jesse yeah, he was honest about that. And you brought out to back up him bringing out the emails. Greg the entire world, including the media, were looking for dirt on both candidates. I dont think they were meeting with priests or rabbis. The information that was offered the offered. Im sorry, how can you not listen to that . Reporters are such hypocrites. They would have answered that email immediately and said love it. If a russian called ryan seltzer and said we have information on donald trump, he would climb on his big wheels and pedal like the wind. We are all hypocrites. Whoever turns down gossip about an enemy no one ever does. You dont give a about the source. If some baby behind the deli counter says they have stuff on somebody else, from cnn or msnbc, you are all ears. This is coming from the same place every single day. Forgive me if i dont get all crazy and panicked over this. Every single time a she was supposed to drop and then that tie us down. It goes away. Just as its about to die down, they drop another shoe and then you have rachel maddow, cnn, morning joe, all falling in line. Ive not seen this paranoia about the russians since the 1950s. Back then, there were times defending the russians. They are on the wrong side every single time. This is a pattern. There might have been a mistake. Yet, he should have talked about it but not everybody remembers meetings especially when you are busy. When i worked in publishing, i had meetings every single month. Dozens. I had meetings with publicists who are not to be trusted, talking about their products and you walk out of that meeting saying there is another hour of my life i will never have. You never remember it. Im not going to bother anybody with this. I think this this is not a Perfect Administration but it is a human one. Every mistake thats being made is a mistake that i would make. Like donald, jr. , and me, i wasnt running for office. I wasnt involved. I wasnt president. I wasnt involved in in the campaign. He was just some dude who went to a meeting. Jesse in the 1950s, i am wearing this jacket in honor of the red scare. Greg thats more like ron burgundy. Jesse this was an outside purchase. Kimberly not sponsored . Jesse greg said anyone that comes to you with dirt, you will listen to that. If the woman was french he probably still would have taken the meeting, correct . The only thing that is controversial is that she is russian. It could have been anybody else, and the media would have said collusion . Oh, had a meeting with a chinese or korean lady or anybody. Juan sorry, doesnt work. Jesse why not . Juan he responded to an email saying this is a russian government lawyer. He is the one that said love it, want more of it. Gregs point about Everyone Wants information on their enemies doesnt matter. I guess you dont want me to speak because you guys are so afraid. Greg i am not afraid, juan. I just want you to make your point. Juan let me do it. Guess what . The Al Gore Campaign got information about the Bush Campaign and guess what they did . They did what donald trump jr. Should have done. They called the fbi and they said we dont know what this is from and what this is about. You have people like Ari Fleischer saying this is a case where everybody is looking for information but you dont take information from a russian government that is our adversary. We dont know. We do know that a couple days later, donald trump himself is saying russia, if you can get Hillary Clintons emails, we would love it. Greg that was a joke. Juan this is no isolated event at this point. There is no longer the ability to say oh, theres no evidence of collusion. This is evidence of collusion. Let me finish. We have a pattern now. We have a pattern of an inner Circle Holding meetings tied to People Associated with russian president vladimir putin. Kimberly he also said thats not true. Juan you are having a case of amnesia. Greg collusion requires a twoway street. Cooperation. If listening is collusion, then no journalist could ever write a story. If someone calls you and you are doing Opposition Research, you will go. You sit down and go im doing this as a favor to some publicist. Its interesting to think the russians would use a u. K. Publisher for this. Thats another story. You can say the optics are bad but listening is not a crime. Juan you are listening to russians greg if i listen to my wife, thats a crime . Dana we could talk about this story all day. When greg says we are all hypocrites, we have to think about this. People compare it to Hillary Clinton but let me give you an example with president obama. Hey, i have someone from the iranian government that wants to come in and meet with you and he says great, you know what . I will get penrose and valerie jarrett, we will go to this meeting but if this all came out, what would have happened . Jesse we are kind of at war with the iranians dana they are a geopolitical flow. The other thing with the trump administration, i can imagine what they are thinking, they are in the fight of their lives. The truth is, you look back at, hindsight is 20 20. They had the winning message. They were able to turn out voters they had not turned out in a long time and switched voters. We have districts that use to win by 8,000 votes, now winning by 2530,000 votes. Of course you dont know that in june 2016 but if you look back, all of this is totally unnecessary. They were going to win anyway. Kimberly he is a private individual. He is not part of the trump administration. He can talk to whoever he wants to talk to. The only evidence theres no evidence of collusion. Juan theres evidence that hes talking to russian greg juan, juan juan a russian government lawyer, he says love it. Greg juan, you have never said love it in an email . When we get to this point. Has anyone ever asked you out for coffee and you dont want to go but you say sounds great . Wonderful . And then you tell your assistant cancel it. [laughter] juan let me bring the president of fox news and the entire cast of the five. Greg Paul Manafort didnt even read the emails. Juan get the Campaign Manager and the soninlaw and you are the son of the candidate . Greg a 20 minute meeting to listen to something is not collusion. Kimberly heres what its going to happen this is going nowhere. Jesse they were for russia and now they are against russia. More to come. Dramatic political idea reactions up next. Award winning interface. Award winning design. Award winning engine. The volvo xc90. The most awarded luxury suv of the century. Visit your volvo dealer today and get up to 4,500 in allowances. Across the country, we walk for those affected by alzheimers disease. Carrying flowers that signify why we want to end it. But what if, one day, there was a white flower for alzheimers first survivor . What if there were millions of them . Help make that Beautiful Day happen. Join us for the Alzheimers Association walk to end alzheimers, the Worlds Largest fundraiser to fight the disease. Register today at alz. Org walk. The future isnt silver suits anits right now. 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Kimberly here are some of the political reactions. We are beyond obstruction of justice in terms of whats being investigated. This is moving into perjury, false statements and even potentially treason. We have too much evidence that this administration has been compromised by russian interests. An email suggesting the russian government wants to help, that would be very problematic. Kimberly okay, a discussion moments ago about this story greg, your reaction to this, the media and the Networks Coverage of this . Greg maybe it would mean something to me im so tired of being suckered into this. They oversell these things like the worst county fair fair sideshows. The monster rode in from space and it turns out to be a rabbit with an extra foot. And then cnn actually juan what kind of bears did you go to . Greg cnn said tim kaine was calling it treason. A guy that was humiliated by mike pence in a debate and then in november by trump and pence would express this kind of political opinion towards the people that basically beat him like a bowl of eggs. Kimberly thanks so much for that. Wow. Dana. Dana the left at the moment never misses an opportunity to overreact. There are overreaction and so greg im overreacting. Dana yes. And you are very loud. There is now another story, who were the source for these stories . It was not that deep state. They have Something Else out there. Secretary of defense said there are no unknowns and there are no known unknowns. If i were at the white house, i would say here all the unknowns, unknowns and how do we close these gaps . People have to Start Talking and trusting. If they want to talk about health care and infrastructure and tax reform, they have to allow some space for that. The story wont go away. It wont stop. Kimberly you are 100 right. There isnt trust with the communicators. Thats the problem. Youve got to do something about it. You cant run efficiently. Jesse i think the left is playing russian roulette with this story. They are going to lose once again. Treason is defined by the constitution levees or against, giving them aid and comfort with the u. S. Or elsewhere. Meeting with a russian lawyer is not treason. Listening to someone dig dirt on another opponent is not treason. And how is that giving aid and comfort if you listen to someone give dirt on an opponent . Kimberly there wasnt any dirt. Jesse there was no dirt. There is another empty promise. Collusion is not a crime. Collusion is not a legal term. There is no collusion in the statute. There was no pricefixing going on here. We talked about in the last block, illegal coordination with the intent to deceive. There was no crime and no deceit. The only facts are this woman wasnt connected to the russian government, she was not a russian agent and there was nothing discussed about hacking, either. There is some collusion if you want to play this game between the Ukrainian Government and the Clinton Campaign. There were meetings at the ukrainian embassy. The dnc was involved. This is from political. Ukrainian government officials try to help Hillary Clinton and undermine trump by crushing his run for office and damaging trump, disseminate documents smearing his aides. If she wants to criminalize politics, the Clinton Campaign is going to have to go behind bars too. Kimberly thank you professor burgundy. [laughter] juan you have a situation where theres one possibility of crime. At the very least it would be Election Fraud or intent to commit Election Fraud. And help from a foreign adversary. That should not be allowed in foreign americas elections. It is not only that. If you say no intent. Jesse juan, how is it Election Fraud . Juan you are breaking the law by seeking information and collusion with a Foreign Government to influence kimberly you are making this up. Theres no evidence of that. Juan if its impeachment impeachment jesse you are throwing out words like collusion, crime, impingement. Read the statute. Juan we are talking about they should decide if they want to impeach trump. Greg they just want to get them to back him out. Juan we are talking about what jesse said. Obviously there was intent to deceive. The man has changed his story is the last three days repeatedly. Oh, this is about adoption . The only reason that he came forward by releasing all these emails is because the failing New York Times busted him over his head and forced him to release this information and its embarrassing to him. Greg how many times have they been right and how many times have they been wrong . Theyve been wrong a lot before. Kimberly we will take you live to the white house for new reaction with the president on the story and just a bet. As the leader of isis dead . Are the reports true . 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