For the latest on harvey, lets go to Steve Harrigan in silsbee, texas, steve. No rain here right now but east of houston, the floodwaters keep rising. Its caught a lot of people here by surprise, we saw a number of water rescues. Some people going out and flat boats to pick up neighbors, other people picking up their pets. In the case were about to show you, both. We didnt have much flooding untilil this morning. It started coming fast and started rushing towards us. We have 3 acres out there and i want to say probably four fifths of it is underwater. Why did you decide to come . They shut off the power, we didnt have no water or food. The rescuer in that case came from arkansas. He told us he had thehe resourcs and the time and wanted to help hes been saving people for two days. Jesse, back to you. Jesse steve, thank you. Jesse steve, thank you. The press is covering trumps every move and no matter what the president does, it seems the Mainstream Media says its not enough. I dont think he understands the human scale of misery. I dont think he can connect with the passion that you normally have. It was very striking he didnt mention the number of people who died. Or even try to empathize with the fact that people are genuinely suffering. The fact that he saw no damage firsthand did not stop him from claiming on twitter, that he witnessed firsthand the horror and devastation caused by hurricane harvey. Jesse the press corps seemed more concerned about Illegal Immigrants than anybody else affected by harvey. There are 575,000 undocumented immigrants in houston, does this white housee believe they should be eligible for longterm federal recovery . Im a little bit concerned about that. Undocumented immigrants getting longterm funding, is that a yes or a no . If you are at undocumented immigrants, you do have a home, if you are in a shelter, what happens . Jesse what happens, greg . All those undocumented immigrants. Theyre probably more deserving according to the press corps than actual residents of texas. Greg i get to being concerned, being concerned about everyone, from the undocumented to the documented. When you listen to the press, its as if only undocumented or Illegal Immigrants are involved in this disaster. Which makes me think they really dont care that this is ado political point that they are trying to make. I would never say the media is trying to do this. By the way, both sides do this. The side out of power are all ways goes after the side in power. There was a lotu of criticism about obama hugging chris christie, do you remember that . I think this is a different time. I dont think President Trump is as big a factor in this because it seems like texas presents such a positive Unifying Force that people cant really turn this into a bad thing. Texass a new motto should be we got this. The unity speaks for itself. When you Start Talking about donald trump not being warm and fuzzy like a bunny slipper. People are like, we dont need it, we got this, we are fine. We dont need a cozy fuzzy banana, bunny slipper as a leader. We can do a it ourselves. And you see it every day. I think its hard for the media to go after him at this point because the visuals convey the message. It conveys the message that he wants to convey, which is making America Great again, which is the positive nature of people coming together. Ca hes kind of in the background. This stuff is baby games. Jesse the media thinks jesse the media thinks texas wants tears, they want volunteers, thats what they need right now. For some reason, the press once the photo op of the president crying and hugging like a bill clinton or obama. If he did that, they would say this is put upon. Its artifice, this is someone trying to save his political presidency. They would not have any time a wasted hitting him and attacking him and saying that it was crocodile tears. What i think is to be celebrated is people have come together incredible, unparalleled humanitarian efforts to be ableu to help one another, to be able to provide the funding, provide the food, the resources, the rescue effort to bring peoplede together. This, to me, is a shining example of the best of American Cooperative efforts, trying to help one another. Our unity, what unites us rather than what divides us. I think it has been a time of healing through tremendous tragedy, people have said we have so much more in common than what the Mainstream Media would tell us that divides us, i think thats really important. Jesse it is important. The press seems focused on the empathy factor, juan. I dont know how they get this information, they believe that the president doesnt care and he lacks empathy toward the actual victims. Back up to the election. T i think Hillary Clinton was the robot that couldnt connect and couldnt show empathy. T President Trump won in november because he empathize with that forgotten man, the victims of unfair trade deals, the victims of open borders and bad deals. Thats what got him elected. Juan im not sure, but okay. People say lots of things, i dont know for sure. When it comes to this issue, i think kimberly to me was right on target. No matter what he did, if he had gone down to texas, if he had gone to the front lines. People say hes going through the motions to try to create an image that will appeal to americans, he didnt do it. When the press says, you didnt do it, and we have a fox news poll out today that says only s 26 of americans think of him as a compassionate person. I think it plays into a negative image about his weaknesses. The press then says, this guy doesnt seem very compassionate and you guys say, thats the mainstream press. Or on the immigrants issue, whot has made immigration the centerpiece of his campaign . Maybe thats the reason he got elected, because he was hard on Illegal Immigrants. Immigrants in general. And now, when people say what about, are they stopping immigrants at checkpoints, are they going to do some kind of Illegal Immigrants . Are they eligible for benefits . All these questions, because he has demonstrated such an antipathy toward immigrants. Greg nobody looks for a surgeon based on empathy. They look for skill sets. That is the worst thing. Maybe a psychologist or a priest if you want empathy. Thats fine. Asking trump for empathy, you dont get it. You dont even have to like a trump to think hes a good president. Juan hes a politician. We have seen a highlight of president bushs time and said i hear you in the wreckage after 9 11. Juan i think theyre trying to fit him into the political mold andgg they are upset because hes not playing by the media playbook. Hes not going down there and hugging and crying like every politician does. The media will write a story that says because hes not acting like a politician. Kimberly hes not a president ial jello mode, thats why. Gillian this is a question of leadership style. I think its fair to compare and contrast different president s in the wake of national disasters. I think its fair to evaluate all of them. Its fair to say President Trump is not taking on the consoler in chief attitude. He has not been overly emotive, he has not been hugging people. I think to extrapolate from that the idea that he is not empathetic is not fair. I think thats lazy analysis. The its weird pop psychology. Greg its mind reading. Gillian if we are going to talk about his leadership style in the wake of the storm, i think it has really been them adopting his chief executive officer road. He put that hat on, hes established a clear chain of command. Veom Vice President pence was on the ground today, acting as the coo. I think that is how he approaches it. The strategic problem, who will handle what . Will my delegating to . That is the sign that we have seen from President Trump. Its fair to talk about what we think about that. But to condemn him for choosing one style over another is not fair. Jesse shoe gate continues, the Washington Post doubled down on attacking melanias high heels, saying it totally fair game to go after her choice of footwear. What do you think about that . Kimberly i dont know, but if she had tennis shoes, sneakers, kicks, i guess they didnt have a problem with that. I think this is childish and i think itsth immature. Why dont they cover the real stories out there about the human suffering and the peoples will to live and to help and to get back and to try to unite them . They dont want to do that because thats not a fun story. They would rather poke fun at somebody who has been a a fantastic first lady and represented us well in an elegant way. Gillian whyhy is it only thy women . That annoys me. I think it is sexist. Greg does about the Washington Post did, which is so hilarious. They wanted to do the story but they wantedd to protect themselves from the criticism of being sexist. The headline is its not sexist to go after melania. The shoes implied she wasnt thinking about others. I believe the Washington Post was sexist and choosing a woman to do the story. That provided them with the camouflage to trash the first lady. Its about trashing the first lady. If you look at the twitter feed, not a trump fan by any means but they used her sex to cover this. Shes just a pawn in the Washington Post trying to avoid looking sexist. I think Kayla Epstein is on her way to getting a pulitzer if they have a category for shoes. Juan let me just say, i think it was robin gibbon, the post fashion writer who posed wrote about this. You can say the fashion people, why are they doing it. Greg they assume that men cant write about shoes. They assumed that only women can do it. Let the chicks write about the shoes. That is sexist. Juan is that sexist . Kimberly greg, i will let you read poems about my shoes. Greg i have written for dozens of womens magazines. Juan i sat in the New York Times today that their top story, the story that was most read in the New York Times was guess what the shoes. I think there is widespread interest in this. Why . Greg pandering. Juan i dont know. Greg in the gutter, where the issue is. Juan a lot off people see this as evidence as highclass, billionaire. Greg is class warfare. Three. Nonetheless, it suggests that she is out of touch. Kimberly, i hate to tell you this, but they said they didnt get to the sneakers, but they did get to the sneakers. They said they were glistening. Like they had never been worn before. Kimberly they didnt say she was the worst person for wearing the snickers. Its just so frivolous and trivial. Gillian where was the criticism about what Vice President pence was wearin wearing . No criticism that he picked the wrong attire. Ic greg dont you see my point is that the Washington Post goes out of its way to findwa women o attack thehe woman, so they dont look sexist . But its actually sexist to choose the women to be the attackers. Kimberly it happens all the time. Greg is kind of sad and weird. Jesse greg would gladly write about womens shoes if you would just give him the chance. Jesse greg give some muchneeded context to the debate over monuments, stay tuned. When only the best will do. Tempurpedic delivers. Tempur material provides up to twice as much pressure relieving power, so you wake up feeling like a champion. Through september 17th, save up to 500 on select adjustable sets. Tempurpedic sleep is power. Which saves money. 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Greg if you were to describe these last few days with one word, it would be rescued because all we see are people being rescued. Thats two from rooftops. Youre also seeing another kind of rescue, one from all of those conflicts thatcu occurred before the flood. Stuff about statues and privilege and gender identity. These stories still exist. But in times of crisis, they seem to fade. But some still pop up at that reminder how things used to be. Right now, there are cities who plan to place columbus day with indigenous day. I dont know what to think except that its got tool be col to have all the time on your hands toat debate that stuff in dry, comfortable weather. Meanwhile, people are being airlifted from certain death. Its such a powerful contrast to me. These conflicts over statues and historical figures, they exist in good times because we have the time to discuss it. But a disaster rescues us from such reoccurring division. Were supposed to hate each other, says the media. It must be hard for identity activists to see people trucker of all gstripes. Tribulation silences all tribes. Its the calm that came with a terrible storm. Kimberly, im trying to contrast between real reality and madefortv outrage. We can have discussions about indigenous day and all that stuff if were not living a horrible life. If were not thinking about how were going to get back our home. Kimberly this is the problem, when you see the faux outrage in the story of people trying to manufacture this, it seems so disingenuous. Especially in the face of what we are witnessing in hurricane harvey, the aftermath, the human struggling. In what is going on a daily basis, we cant even imagine it if youre put in this position with your family and friends and wondering where your loved ones are, they havent begun recovery. The waters are too high. The contrast is very difficult. Now everything has become this elevated, blown out of proportion, hyperbolic catastrophe and crisis that no one can try to get their heads around, no matter how small it is. It becomes something that is magnified. Greg ay juan, mayor bill de blasio said before the flood that he was going to review all the hate statues in new york city. I think its a really good thing that hes doing it because obviously he is so shameful of the democratic pastor and their love for slavery that hes finally agreeing to get rid of the reminders of his partys shameful past. Juan wow. Now thats a question. [laughter] kimberly is called loaded. Greg what do you think about columbus day . Juan i cant wait to have it off. Kimberly and columbus circle. Juan you know what strikes me, when we talk about the fact that the storms comes and thats a moment when we come together, when there is crisis, i think its true. S, im reminded there was a piece in the wall street journal written by james baker and andy young. James baker used to be secretary of state and andrew young was a former mayor of atlanta, u. N. Ambassador. It basically said that we have to Start Talking to each other. We have to get back to the idea of solving problems. It reminded me of defensive secretary mattis. He said the biggest problem is not ices or the terrorists. The biggest problem is our political structure is so broken, so polarized, we cant resolve anything at home. We can talk to each other. To me, when you see the storm, picking up on what you said, greg, i think youre right. Its a moment, you see people in the military or in the police department. When you are dealing with something terrible, even when we are yelling at each other, guess what . I have his back. I trust he would have mine. Its that kind of moment innd life, i dont like the statue, you dont like the statue. I dont like your mama. Kimberly take it easy, juan [laughter] kimberly mrs. Waters, were not talking about you. Greg i think your mother agrees with juan more than she agrees with you. Gillian you cant picture the fact that you have parents . Like h seinfeld . Thats you. I cant believe you have parents. [laughter] greg now that weve veered off topic. Jesse, these certain conflicts can only happen if Everything Else is going great. Jesse we are so spoiled, being offended by a statue, a holiday, is a luxury that texas wished they had. We are renaming holidays, i just care if im off. I dont care what you call it, indigenous, columbus. Speaking of indigenous peoples. Indigenous people all over the world live in harveylike conditions almost every day where they lose their homes, wet they are, they are cold, hungry. Thats the norm for those people. People act like being offendeded is worse than starving, wet, homeless, poor. I would rather be offended than all of that stuff, people are so coddled in this country, they cant experience discomfort. They cant experience offense. They think thats the worst thing in the world so they walk around on eggshells protecting other people, protecting themselves, and they have all their p