Papadopoulos pleaded guilty earlier this month to lying to the fbi about his contacts with russians. The president s response to the news sorry, but this is years ago, before Paul Manafort was part of the Trump Campaign. But why arent crooked hillary and the dems the focus . . . . . Also, there is no collusion the white house following up with this. Todays announcement has nothing to do with the president , nothing to do with the president s campaign or campaign activities. The real collusion scandal, as we have said before, has everything to do with the clinton campaign, fusion gps, and russia. There are no activities or official capacity which the Trump Campaign was engaged in any of these. Most took place before the campaign existed. Reporter can you explain George Papadopoulos role with the campaign . It was limited, a volunteer position. No activity was ever done in an official capacity. On behalf of the campaign. Dana greg, youve been following it closely. Greg we are finding out Paul Manafort was involved with shady dealings prior to the election and other breaking news, kevin spacey is gay. Mindblowing. Evidence of russian collusion or not. I sense a bit of deflation in the media. They are disappointed. They expected a pony and this is a goldfish. Thats why you are seeing a lot of press saying this is only the first part. Just wait. Just wait. Maybe theyre right but right now we knew this was coming. We knew what manafort was. Hes a hired gun that you hire specifically because he will do whatever you need to do for four months and then he goes. Dana i dont know if thats why you would hire him. Greg what is with papadopoulos . That is the worlds greatest name. Papadopoulos. I am saying its a shock. Hes hollywoods ladies man. Our generations rock hudson. Dana if we could talk about the charges for manafort and gates. How serious are they . That type of money and Money Laundering and defrauding the United States. Its a pretty big deal. Kimberly it is. It is big, breaking news. What i found significant is that for some reason he did not think or see that coming, the sources close to him said, as of saturday, someone said he didnt think he was among those included. I think there is more to come. Im curious whether they will work or try to that ideal. This is something i think the president should steer clear of and not make any comments about it and let it work its way through the system. Dana i dont see any reason to defend manafort, not that they really did today but why would you defend the guy, if you are talking about draining the swamp. That is the kind of swamp creature you are talking about. Someone willing to break the law, work for a hostile Foreign Government and then launder the money. Jesse just a delegate counter. Only there for a few months. Is it paul, john . Doesnt matter. My mom called me first thing in the morning. Paul manafort conspiring against america. Passes the phone to my dad and my dad says that manafort is going to rat out trumpcare my mom just texted me. She says papadopoulos is the gordon liddy of the pack. How is your history . Do you know gordon liddy . They cant wait until the watergate thing spirals out of control. Especially a grand jury in d. C. He is innocent until proven guilty. If anything, he is guilty of liking the finer things in life. Apparently he spent 12 million on Beverly Hills shopping sprees and mercedesbenzs and range rovers and housekeeping and racked up real estate end. I want to sound like dana perino. I was reading the national review. An anthony mccarthys article was great. He said none of the charges are a slam dunk. What did he do . Lobbying for the government of ukraine and concealed some proceeds. On the surface, it doesnt seem that bad but you believe the conspiracy theories, this guy doesnt look like he wants to spend a day in prison. He looks like he likes the soft things in life. Kimberly what does that mean . Jesse there is no way this guy is going to spend a day in jail. Dana you cant be cool with hiding money saved on up to pay her taxes. Jesse absolutely not. If he is guilty, he should be charged. Kimberly goes back to 2012. Jesse like you said, it predates him during the campaign. Trump was not mentioned in the indictment. There was no collusion, nothing about hacking the election. I think the real issue is papadopoulos. I like saying the name. Papadopoulos, what he did, hillary did ten times worse. Kimberly way to pivot. Jesse hillary, millions of dollars for russian dirt. Papadopoulos is some 30yearold overly ambitious guy who tried to dig up dirt, failed. Brian fallon, hillarys spokesperson, said getting Opposition Research dirt from foreigners has a good thing. Trying to set up a meeting with trump and putin. That got killed by the Trump Campaign. Maybe hes cooperating now. There are some emails going back and forth. The white house provided the investigators with those emails, but now im hearing he may have been wearing a wire which i think scares everybody. Dana juan, lets get your take. Poppel operatives papadopoulos e radon manafort. Juan lets talk about manafort. He has an interesting history. He worked on reagans campaign and then start his own lobbying firm with charlie black and roger stone, another trump intimate. And then goes off and hes representing some reprehensible people around the world. The question becomes, and i think this is an issue you raised. Why would donald trump hire Paul Manafort . Its a real question. You say wow, who are you bringing in . Dana thats been known for a while. It was brought up at the time. Manafort and his deputy rick gates, who pleaded not guilty, they were able to get the delegates. Juan that was after. Brings them back. Dana i would imagine thats why you hire them. He thought he could do that job. Juan what i am saying is we can hire lots of effective people who will employ all sorts of means in order to get what they want but you dont bring them in if you are running for president and you realize it could have tremendous negative implications for you and your reputation. To get back to papadopoulos, i think what we now understand us, and i think this is to me the most intriguing part, he says he has a meeting with a professor in london. The professor says russia has a batch of emails on Hillary Clinton, a batch of dirt. Then we learn, roger stone is saying more is coming and then more does come in terms of the hacked emails from john podesta and the clinton campaign. The question is at that point jesse i dont follow. How you got from hacking hillarys emails to the meeting. Juan the professor who has contacts with russia, and thats the reason papadopoulos was meeting with him, the professor says to him weve got a batch of emails from the clinton campaign. And then what you get is people like roger stone advertising weve got lots to come in the suggestion would be that somehow it was communicated inside the Trump Campaign that russia was working dana another way to look at it, that they were blowing the kid off. 30 years old, responsible for his actions but that hes overzealous and they are like please go away. This is not going to be a highlevel thing. I dont know if thats whats going to happen. He pleaded guilty. Greg enough of the professor. Where is marianne . The manafort scandal, when you look at it, its a problem he hoped to have because it means you won. They hired this guy lingo hes a pretty dark character. But if we win, we will deal with it then. They let him go pretty quick because they used him. Kimberly he was a specialist. Greg he was charged with conspiracy against the u. S. , defined as an effort to defraud the u. S. Have you ever paid your dog babysitter in cash . That is the broader [laughter] dana thats not me not paying it. Kimberly it is jasper. Greg do you know what defrauding the u. S. Is . Kneeling during the national anthem. Dana we have gone from blaming trump to blaming perino. Today, tony podesta, the democratic lobbying guy, who we found out was being spoken to by the investigators on muellers team, he stepped down from his prestigious lobbying firm today. Kimberly i think it is significant. I think there is something in the wind, shall we say. Hes probably getting prepared to preempt something could come down against him. Makes sense if you look at the web of characters. Unveiled over the last couple weeks. I think thats a name well hear more about tomorrow and by the end of the week. Juan a contractor basically for metaphoric. Dana company ar company b. Kimberly more people coming into focus that are going to be indicted. Jesse he worked for uranium one. Got paid to lobby on their behalf. Uranium one was behind the dossier. Dana working with manafort . Juan anybody who thinks this is the end of the deal, this is early in the game. Basically mueller trying to put pressure, just as he succeeded with papadopoulos. Now hes putting pressure on manafort to flip on potentially the Trump Campaign. He wants to know whatever he can learn about trump or the trump organization. Thats all in play. Dana he has to take it to the grand jury. Juan it occurred before but the idea is that manafort is locked into russia, the ukraine. Thats why the russians wouldve come to him and he wouldve gone to the russians. Greg what you are saying is this bad stuff happened before donald trump so maybe trumps flaw was a less than stellar background check. Weve all been there, including msnbc. Dana more to come on this. Much more to come on the big russia probe development. More about millers investigation and where it will go. Paying less for my medicare . Im open to that. Lower premiums . Extra benefits . Its open enrollment. 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I think this is just scratching the surface. What i did as a prosecutor. Get these people and from them you pull threads. Dana or you roll it up like a toothpaste tube. Greg this is metaphor hell hell. Dana i followed everything. One thing that mightve been a little bit of a surprise today is that gates gets brought up again. People sort of forgot about him. He wasnt somebody who was let go immediately, as manafort was. He stayed on the campaign, worked on the inaugural committee, the transition period after the election and then the inaugural committee. That was a bit of a surprise. I think in some ways people mightve been surprised that it wasnt mike flynn today. Former National Security advisor who we know has been in contact with prosecutors. I dont know if there is more to come or not. I dont know. I feel like its pretty locked up. This guy, papadopoulos, got arrested in july, and we dont hear about it until today. Thats a pretty tight operation i think. Kimberly jesse, when you hear them talk about more to come et cetera, do you think you were mentioning in the last block that you think perhaps theyre going to try to use manafort to get him to roll on someone closer. Jesse i think you have to assume there is Major International conspiracy and collusion between trump and russia to buy into the premise that he is squeezing manafort in order to get the big fish. What if there is no criminality with russia . You are squeezing manafort. Kimberly thats what peter king was saying. Hes been privy for some of the actual testimony of people coming in, like trumps lawyer, and nothing so far that he has heard suggests or ties in anything to collusion with the russians. The best they can hope to do is make kind of a tangential connection to say maybe President Trump and his team knew that manafort had these connections but wheres the proof of that . Juan i think its a little different, the way i view it. Remember manafort was at the meeting in 2016 arranged by donald trump jr. Manafort is at the meeting, jared kushner. We learned last week that the meeting who was there, had no had been coordinated with the russian government. She is at this meeting, she says turns out she does have some connection to the russian government. When you have manafort who took notes and guess who has the notes . I dont know if he recovered them when he busted into the house but he has manafort the notes from the meeting. Hes going to want to know from manafort, what happened at the meeting and was their followup . That leads, and this is how you are thinking. You are saying there is no direct tie but if they know that the russians are taking certain steps, then they are going to take may be coordinated or not colluded. These two are working together. Kimberly to what juan is speaking to, if you look at the specific language in the indictment, theres 13 wire transfers. When you do financial crimes cases like this, you follow the money and it appears to me that mueller is trying to stretch the timeline by showing these 13 wires from 2012 to 2014 to show its in the nexus of that time frame of the connection and a relationship. With President Trump and the campaign et cetera. Trying to move it down here to where he starts working for delegates. To me, thats what i see he is trying to do. Jesse does the timeline stretch to 2016 . I read it went to 2014. Kimberly 100 , and then it says at least until 2016. You can say, for example. Im going to plead a case, charging defendant. What do we say . On or about december 12. It could be 11, 13. Thats how you covered. Jesse its hard to speculate. Seems like you know what you are talking about. To juans point, youre talking about the russian lawyer at the meeting at trump tower. She has been tied to fusion gps as well. If you pull the thread and we come back to having mueller investigate fusion gps and we talk about podesta, the Campaign Chair same to the senate he had no idea who paid for it. That seems like a lie, and it also seems like paying for russian dirt to influence the election. If his brother falls as well, you could have the same thing that happened with james comey where the minute the democrats, they love james comey. Impeachable. In october he turns things around and they start crushing comey again. Juan how is the island working . Jesse its great. Greg tell the producers to shut up. I am changing my name to gutfeldopopoulos. They got him on money launderin laundering. How different is that the inherent makeup . Take something awful and make it beautiful. Kimberly Hillary Clinton has investigators of her own to worry about and what a surprise. She is blaming us again for her mass. Mess y hun, huh we gotta go. Come on. Grandma grandpa thanks mom. Here we are. Look, right up to here. Principal. We can help you plan for that. Greg does fox news have hillary on the brain . She thinks so. I would have preferred to come to the dinner tonight from a slightly closer residence. But it does strike me that in the last few days, at least fox news seems to think thats where i live, in the white hous white house. Because they spend a disproportionate amount of their time talking about impeaching m me. They want to make a trade. I would be more than willing. Greg oh, hillary, you big loser. Its true. She lost. Its a fact. Its true we at fox news love some hillary because she is in the news even though she lost. And its because she lost that we are now finding out more about her campaign the dirty tricks. This is the side benefit of trumps win. The reporting keeps turning over rocks were refined hillary and her cronies. Who is turning over the rocks . The hill, washington post, even mother jones. Thats not fox friends. 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