This country. I want to thank kim jong un who really was excellent to three incredible people. Greg i never thought i would hear that. But i never thought we would have a former reality Game Show Host running the most powerful country in the world ever. And that reality and the reality of this mornings release are connected. The release, what does it mean, and to the north korea threat, happier days to all of us, it is too soon to tell, but you would have to be in your own prism of bias not to see this as a promising step to the correction of the world, right, chuck . It is so troubling to say that kim jong un treated the americans excellently. The release should not be exalted, it should be expected. Greg what a wet blanket, but the development putting ins perspective. Taking turns after shock of the porn interest, three americans are free. Once you get past his unseeded lead past, his entire past reveals that talent. They elected a unique toolkit for unique times. Able to engage rogue regimes and what they understand. Carrots and a real stick, not fantasy. Who knew that what we needed most was a reality tv star who actually deals in reality . So with those three people, what they have preferred a squeaky clean president threading alone in the oval office as they sat in a foreign jail, or a billionaire tycoon who is not the best husband, but can talk a bear off of a fish truck . You know the answer. All right, kennedy, welcome to the show. You look great in pink as alway always. Why is this working . Because it seems to be working. Before it is objectively good. It is very difficult for anyone to argue that this is not a good thing. And it is interesting and very predictable that people will certainly try. I think that the visual was great of the plane landing, and to the president and the Vice President and the first lady and the secretary of state there to welcome three people whose lives and recent history is absolutely unimaginable to americans. Not the 1 and not those who are comfortable but to all americans, we cannot fathom what life is like because very few people get out to tell the story. If you remember at the state of the union, one of the most moving parts was a man who would escape north korea and take his clutches in that embrace of freedom and a continuation of that narrative that is investing in very real terms. Regardless of how you feel about the president or who you voted for, you have to stop and realize that this is a great moment for our country. Greg jesse, you know that i like it was at 3 00 a. M. , trump is saying, i dont sleep, hillary would been in bed by now. Jesse he was up for the 3 00 a. M. Phone call, it is perfect. And great ratings as he mentions. From here until the mouth. Im sure that they were really good. It was a significant olive branch from little rocket man prayed he deserves a little bit of credit. I know that if obama said they were treated excellent, people wouldve said, what are you doing . But i think that that is just trumps way of negotiating. He cuts them down when he needs to. That is great. It is a big distinction of how obama dealt with these things. Remember obama got a cheney back but he had to give up five terrorists from gitmo, we did not have to give up anything. This is a significant departure from the last administration. This president has gotten back detainees. We got them from egypt, afghanistan, even the ungrateful basketball players from ucla that came through china, they came back. He is with the George Costanzo method. What i would like to say is whenever obama did something, trump does the opposite in north korea, syria, iran, and it seems to be working, juan, the media is not accountable for all of the false things they predicted would happen with north korea. They said we would alienate the ally and south korea and japan and not get china to help us out. We were going to go to war. And pompeo was not a good diplomat. All of those things have turned out to be wrong. The media is like a bad weatherman. Every day they come out and they say it is going to rain. And every day it is clear skies and sunny. But they never apologize or get fired. Greg so, juan, from a scale of one being awesome, ten being super, super, super awesome, where would you put this . Juan super, super, super gosh, i imagine us in that situation, you want out, you went out for americans. It is good. The part that amuses me first is the business about ratings, clearly it is all about the appearances and his political popularity. It is all about the republicans will celebrate. Lets put down Chuck Schumer for stating the obvious that what you really want here is kim jong un would not be Holding Americans and treating them so badly. And we should not be calling him excellent or anything. Jesse, i would say to you that we did give something to kim jong un, we have given him a summit. Putting him on the level with us. Of the United States of america. He has wanted this across the administration for previous president s that have denied it. He is thrilled that he is seeing a world leader equal to the president. Jesse what was the obama policy . Do nothing. Juan we did not do nothing. We do not do nothing, but we did not have any solution. I think that this is why jesse the summit as a result of sanctions and tough rhetoric. Juan it is a result of actions taken in terms of prior sanctions, do, distinctions, but i also think jesse all of the allies are very happy with the summit. The alliances are strong. Juan when you look at kim jong un, what he is building towards is the idea of the United States excepting north korea as a nuclear power. Every other american president has had no to this. Kimberly i do not know where you are going. There is not evidence to support this statement. Greg one trump gets the presurprise, will juan say, oka okay. Kimberly if you look at the media reports, this is something that kim jong un did reluctantly prayed he did not want to release three american hostages paid he did so because of the unique and nonconforming diplomatic policy that the president engaged in. This is nothing that was unsettling to kim jong un, something that he was not familiar with. And President Trump tried a different approach. It has produced a historical result. When you take a look at the situation, why would any american not say that this is a very, very favorable and auspicious result that happens here. I look at the screen and i see three healthy americans that thought that they did not have a chance. And they were able to come home to this country. Thank god. Juxtaposed to that for Otto Warmbier and his family, i do not want to forget about him and the suffering that he went through. It is a big moment to say that we are appreciative as a country and happy in this diplomacy. Kennedy think about the children and the babies that were killed in front of their parents and the north korean labor cancer. To your points, those on the left have been saying, especially when the rhetoric to get heated, there was so much unpredictability that people who support to the president did not know where we were going in terms of north korea. But it seems to have worked out, you say that no president has gone to the point where they are meeting with kim jong un, well, no president has been on the precipice of a real piece. Juan no, clinton and bush both thought they had deals, either with his father. We have been through a lot of this before, kennedy. Kennedy it is all malarkey compared to. Juan they all said no, because they knew how north korea ran the prisoner camps. Kennedy that is not true, they offered more concessions and energy and relaxing sanctions of the ahead of talks. Thats what they did. They actually gave ten sessions ahead of time and then north korea made promises that were unverified and they were not even president to that. The one thing you can say about the process is that has been reversed. Juan house that reversed . Kennedy because kim jong un gave up something before both parties. Juan you are wrong, in november he had his third intercontinental ballistic test under this administration. So i do not think that he has completed now preparations for a complete nuclear arson. So you stop anything, wait a second . Kennedy ward is better . Bombing him and the weapons . Are going to the table juan that is not the discussion that we are having at this table. I am all for reuniting the peninsula if we can get a regime in north korea that is not torturing people. Kennedy democrats want regime change . Juan will let me speak for a minute you have a guy with Nuclear Weapons that he has been testing, we have previous administrations i thought they had a deal. Now we have President Trump with his rhetoric and we do not know what kind of deal. What happen with these three prisoners as much as we appreciate them coming home is not to be seen as oh, this is a radical change. Jesse this is why the American People do not like washington, you have one and crime chuck who will not give credit to. I remember when obama killed bin laden, and they gave credit where credit was due, to the navy seals. But there is a spirit of bipartisanship that used to exist when good things happen to america and american citizens and people were moving towards peace. Lets just remember that they just wanted to end the korean war, since 1950, to sit back and nitpick about some of the things that we are talking about look small. And it looks partisan. Greg now it is set for singapore. Kimberly july 12, if you look at the approval of americans, 77 , so if you beg to differ, because it seems like americans are for this, we are for peace and diplomacy, we are sitting down and he is not afraid to break the modern rules and go to this and get added in a different angle to produce the best results. Juan i do not think that there is any argument about tha that. Hang on a second. Kimberly it does not matter whether politics are. Everybody should be for that. Juan i think it should be 100 . I could not agree more. Talking about reconciliation from north and south. But there is a difference to understand exactly what is it that we are willing to negotiate with. Kennedy can i ask you a very quick question . Juan this is what i said to jesse, when you have a great concession to the president of north korea who has been seen as an international kimberly that is not a great concession. Kennedy how are you going to afford that . Greg you are not going to elevate the person that you are going to talk to. Kennedy Hillary Clinton brought us to this point . Juan i hope so. Greg she would be dead, that is too late. President cia nominee, vowed yesterday that she would not restart another harsh Interrogation Program, but dick cheney said if it was a up to him, it would be different. That is next. Mom . Dad . Hi i had a very minor fender bender tonight in an unreasonably narrow fast food drive thru lane. But what a powerful life lesson. And dont worry i have everything handled. I already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. Which is so smart on your guys part. Like fact that theyll just. Forgive you. Four weeks without the car. Okay, yup. Good night. 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If dick cheney were still in office, he would press to keep it going. If it was my call, i would not to discontinue the program. I would have them active and ready to go. I would go back and study and learn. Congress has acted, they have changed the law. And the agency has to and will operate by that statute. Jesse he makes a good case for why. I think the techniques we used were not torture. A lot of people try to call it that, but it was not torture at the time. The techniques we use are on our own people and training, we did not make them up someplace. They did a good job and they got the intelligence that they needed. And we were safe from any mass casualty attacks. So now people want to try to rewrite history, but if it were my call, i would do it again. Jesse i know that it warms your heart to see dick cheney back in the news, but lets address the point that he made in the second sound bites which was that we use these techniques on our own soldiers, so how would you qualify that as torture . Do we torture our own soldiers . Juan anybody who has been water boarded will tell you that it is like their own death. I dont think that is the standard, but out of respect, thats what he believes. It just so happens that when people refute, it is because they have something to say about it, a republican dominated time, and they said waterboarding as torture, they said forcing people into uncomfortable posts denying them sleep, putting hoods over their heads, they said this is not with the keeping of american values. And when you look at what the republican congressman of the defense organization, they also rejected waterboarding. And gina haspel, the nominee, in contradiction to President Trump is saying, we are not doing this anymore. She rejected and is not even convinced it is effective, and that is coming from gina haspel. Kimberly so you support her . Juan i do not support her, somebody like dianne feinstein, the ranking tannic democrat, ss not just about one person, it is about american values, who we are and what we represent to the world and in that case she said it really goes beyond gina haspel, it is about why the United States senate is signaling not only to us as the American People, but to the world. Kimberly enhanced interrogation with the exception of waterboarding, only one of them would be physical with the waterboarding one. Theres a variety of states that are used in an intense interrogation, all of which were illegal and the game to legal and appropriate at the time that gina haspel was serving. So she followed the law. Where do you have preferred that people in the cia went rogue and did not follow the law enforce the rule that was in place at the time and just refused to do it . And refuse to get the techniques done to get the information that wouldve prevented Something Like 9 11 or would have been able to not get usama bin laden juan i wish it wouldve prevented 9 11, that wouldve been great, but the reality is that gina haspel is making the point that she has a moral, press. She does not want to get engaged. Jesse having a moral compass is making sure that americans do not die. Greg we captured five senior isis leaders and figuring out through interrogation for weeks. They were not playing crazy eights and listening to soft jazz. I have a theory that i want to to kimberly unless they really dislike it. Greg soft jazz or maroon 5. I would have a theory that goes beyond the specifics of waterboarding. Because i have been thinking about when the debate started. The debate over torture started after 9 11. And im asking myself why then . I think it is because it provides a reason for us to be wrong. I think that it serves as a reflex for people who could not accept that we were the victims. So the talk would turn to terror, and our suffering, the counterargument would be, but you torture, and that is immoral and we are bigger and better than that. Which is not a debate point. It is not a fact. It is an emotion. In the old days stuff like this was not up for discussion. You did not argue about these things, but america has changed. We are so naval gaze and about our own sins that we actually pulled this thing, waterboarding, this arbitrary action in which you are temporarily choking somebody as if that is worse than dropping the bomb on hiroshima or droning cities, how is Something Like that worse than pulling out peoples fingernails . It is an arbitrary tool that does not kill you, but we are using this thing is a symbol to 2pound america because we cannot admit to that for once we are the victims in this war, and we should do whatever is possible, everything should be on the table. Jesse it is why did they hate us . Where they say it is a llama phobia, gitmo, it is to blame america. Kimberly kennedy you cat they are the best country on earth, we do have a set of morals, it is okay to apply them when necessary, and the problem with gina haspel is when reality is a slippery soap. Because we are the victim therefore we can do whatever we want in order to get back at those who have wronged us is an emotional argument. And morality, by the way, morality and emotion are two different things. But it is okay to ask what is moral and what is good and what is right, and gina haspel made the case without directly acknowledging the torture, that torture does not work. And there was something wrong with the program. If there werent, then she would appear exactly what dick cheney said. She would have said, we should still have enhanced interrogation in the Program Never shouldve been shut down. I think that there is a practical application, but she did not. She said in no Uncertain Terms that she would never, ever take the cia back to the point where they were doing that regardless of whether or not the president kimberly that is one of the tools of enhanced interrogation, the rest are psychological. Kennedy not necessarily. There are things to greg we would not have this argument kennedy here is the difference and what makes us better, they do not have these arguments in places like china or selfexamination. Greg i do not want it to be better. I do not want us to be better. I want us to win. I want to save million of lives. If you want to feel better while people die, fine. I would rather save peoples lives and feel worse about it. Kennedy think about the iraqi civilians who have died because of this conflict. I do not think that jesse they did not die because of waterboarding. We know that it works. An