Release. Remember, leaking unmasked information or using it for political gain is illegal. Barack obama and joe biden facing renewed scrutiny over a key Oval Office Meeting back in january 2017 where the Flynn Investigation came up. Biden is flipflopping on what he knew. I know nothing about those moves to investigate Michael Flynn. I thought you asked me whether or not i had anything to do with him being prosecuted. Im sorry. I was aware that they had asked for investigation, but thats all i know about it. Jesse biden also claiming that the doj dropping the flynn case is just all a part of a big distraction. This is all about diversion. Thithis is again this guy playsl the time. The country is in crisis, economic, health crisis. We are in real trouble. He continues to act irresponsibly. He hasnt done his job. It is all about diverting attention from the horrible way in which hes acted. We dont have coronavirus because of him, but we have the devastating impact of it because of his lack of a policy, lack of action. Jesse all right, well, we obviously want to monitor the calls of highranking russian officials, but the reason theyre not identifying the americans is to protect their privacy. If someone in the Obama Administration asks permission to find out the name of that american citizen, they better have a very good reason. Person that asks, if they are connected to the president or Vice President , thats a pretty big deal, dont you think . Dana well, i think this story is a big deal. I think the issue is a big deal and we are seeing it play out. I think a couple things. Supposedly it was predicated on a counterintelligence investigation. I think it would almost be worse if you had a rogue Justice Department and fbi not telling the president of the United States, the Vice President , what they were up to. That would be super bad. You would see that in a movie. I dont think it would be unusual to president obama would be informed and briefed about a counterintelligence investigation even if it involves the incoming administration. I think it would be a huge scandal if it was not. Now that said, for the people who are asked to have flynns name unmasked or got the unmasking, found out flynns name and found out whoever leaked that, thats obviously a very bad thing. All of these people that work for president obama in that world, that youre going to see a couple things, jesse. One, theyre going to want to talk about this. If the dni is declassified in their name, is it also fair then that he should declassify the information and basically let it all out so they can defend themselves. Because as i would feel about it, if you had a topsecret clearance and you are part of this and then your name gets out there but youre still under the clearance rules so you cant talk about it and defend yourself, that doesnt seem exactly right. I dont know where that part is going. The second thing i think will happen is were going to see all of these people lawyer up very quickly and probably with pro bono lawyers, as you saw before with mccabe and peter strzok. I think that will happen. If they are not allowed to talk about it, they will lawyer up and then it will go very quiet. Jesse may be the unmasking is not as bad as the leaking of the classified conversation, then the leaking of the name is a crime. Thats probably worse than just requesting the identity. Juan leaks are not good as youre trying to maintain national security, jesse. I dont think anyones going to argue that. The question here is about the behavior of Michael Flynn. You cant say president obama told him to call kislyak, the russian ambassador, and discuss the sanctions regime for russian interference. I dont think anyone wants to make that case. I dont think thats obama. I dont think its biden. No one is saying hes the one that told flynn go ahead and act as a lobbyist for turkey but dont register as a lobbyist. Nobody is saying all that was done by stone, manafort, that was all made up by the Obama Administration. I think this is all a waste of government energy, resources, and time when we should be focused on the coronavirus and trying to get this economy back in order. Ric grenell used to we know him jesse this is a waste of time, not the three years of a witch hunt. This is . Juan i think ric grenell is acting in a political fashion, going after what we know. Jesse grenell is political but the obama intelligence officials were not political but grenell is political . Is that what you are saying . Juan i am thinking that right now we have russia, china, and others seeking to interfere again. Thats where our energies should be, not in some political diversionary tactic to benefit President Trump. Jesse okay. And very diversionary. Just trying to correct injustice. Katie, how do you see this playing out . Biden saying i dont know anything. That doesnt really sound like someone that was really in charge. Katie ride, and he was in the oval office when president obama informs sally yates that the fbi had been listening in on phone calls that Michael Flynn had been to the russian ambassador. For him to say he doesnt know anything doesnt really stick with the facts here on the situation. But dana made a good point that the president of the United States would of course be involved and informed of a counterintelligence investigation especially if it was someone who was on a campaign in the political sense. The argument up to this point has been that the president wasnt involved, he didnt know anything. He didnt reach the highest levels of the Obama Administration. Now we know at least that president obama knew about it. He was giving information to people of the Justice Department at the time and details about it to them that they didnt have before. It seems like he was pretty involved. And then you couple that with the Obama Administration history and actions, abusing the power of the federal government whether it was the irs going after Tea Party Groups for political reasons or the department of justice going after gun dealerships by punishing their banks or whether it was going after reporters who were talking to sources that obama wanted to put behind bars for talking and leaking information. So all that information leads to more questions. People want accountability for this. There has been a wrong here they want to know which Public Officials that they were paying were unfairly and illegally leaking information and names to the media on a citizen who had done nothing wrong. Jesse all right, greg. Last word. Greg first of all, to biden, he is in a bind because either he knew which is a problem or either he didnt, which is a problem. I think he didnt know. I cant believe anybody would come to him for advice. The guy was more out of the loop than a drunken figure skater. He was just a nice guy that you had in the room who shook hands and worthy aviator glasses. As for this being a waste of government time and we should be focusing on the wuhan virus, i said that three months ago. I said that four months ago in january when i was screaming about the wuhan virus. Everybody was intent to watch the impeachment hearings. Nobody can lecture anybody on that. Its a load of crap. I am curious where the idiots who drooled over every russian name in the phonebook, why isnt Rachel Maddow leading her show with the scandal behind the scandal . If this is a joke, if this is meaningless, how about your three and a half your delusional fantasy that went on based solely on somebody knowing somebody . You have thoughts but no proof so you inflated your thoughts into proof and now you find out its worse than you thought because it involves obama, your side. So now it scares you. This leak leads to something ive always wanted to talk about will but we could never talk about it because it was too gross. The steele dossier which is behind all of it. We could never talk about it because the media used it as a shield. They could talk about on latenight shows that we could never really good into it because the content of the dossier was sufficiently lurid. The media could use it at will and we really couldnt touch it. Lets be clear how the russians really praying to us because the steele dossier was a Cartoon Version of what you think would enrage obama loyalists. You had a russian saying what if we tell them that we have hooker defile the bed obama slept in front of mr. Trump. Thats what we tell them. How absurd . All thats missing is boris and natasha and perhaps were spewed in. Yet our media, a bunch of tools, got suckered by this garbage. The panoply of politicians who chase this. The steele dossier was a conduit for this nonsense. This hilarious punch line of the last four years is that a porno fantasy suckered all of our bright minds in the media and the sharp dressers in d. C. Katie there are no sharp dressers in d. C. Greg good point. Jesse i like the russian accent. Greg my wife is going to kill me. Jesse democrats looking to politicize the pandemic after Top Health Officials testify before the senate and we will show you that next. Theyre our neighbors, and our friends. But now, they are forever our heroes, too. And while theyre working to keep us safe, prudential is proud to provide over one Million Health care workers with benefits that help bring peace of mind in times like these. We turn to the most certain thing there is. Science. Science can overcome diseases. Create cures. And yes, beat pandemics. It has before. It will again. Because when its faced with a new opponent, it doesnt back down it revs up. Asking questions til it finds what its looking for. Thats the power of science. 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Dr. Anthony fauci issuing a warning about states restarting their economies too soon. Some areas, cities, states, what have you, jump over those various checkpoints and prematurely open up without having the capability of being able to respond effectively and efficiently, my concern is that we will start to see little spikes that might turn into outbreaks. Dana and there was this contentious moment between senator rand paul and dr. Fauci. Take a look. I think we ought to have a little bit of humility and our belief that we know its best for the economy, and as much as i respect you, dr. Fauci, i dont think you are the endall, i dont think of the one person who gets to make the decision. Ive never made myself out to be the endall. I am a scientist, physician, Public Health official. I give advice according to the best scientific evidence. There are number of other people who come into that and give advice that are more related to the things that you spoke about. The need to get the country back open again economically. I dont give advice about economic things. I dont give advice about anything other than Public Health. Dana greg, what did you take away from this hearing today . Greg if you are pointing fingers, there is an entrance fee. You have to say how would you have done this differently . But you cannot use 20 20 hindsight. We do know that trump relied on experts, and experts were wrong on masks, tests, ventilators, and especially the experts that were informing cuomo, rest homes. So if you believe that you wouldve done better, if you knew something, why did you hold out on us . All you smartypants people in the media, why did you have this inside info on finding a virus and held it back for us . Its amazing how accurate pundits and politicians are when theyre looking backwards. The standard for testing. Tell us exactly wha what the standard for testing is considering experts dont know what it is because they havent dealt with it before. You cant tell what a good job is when its the first job. We know it could always be better. We dont know how. Do not trust the media on this but do not fall people, whether it is fauci, whether its trump, even whether it is cuomo who give advice or take a risk and turn out to be wrong. Everybodys going to be wrong on this. No matter what. Dana jesse, one thing i noticed today in the hearing as the democrats were frustrated at the government, at the Trump Administration in particular. Their solutions seemed to be that we need more government. Jesse [laughs] yeah. Because government has done so well over the last so many years. To gregs point about the democrats strategy, its a great point because we still dont know what the democrats strategy is because all they say is trump is either doing things too slowly or hes doing things too quickly. So all it is is just a complai complaint. General petraeus had the surge strategy. Trump had the terror of strategy with china. I watch this entire hearing and its frustrating because they have set this trap with tests. We would have gotten the test sooner if china hadnt destroyed the virus samples in the lab, if they had shared it with the rest of the world, we could have gotten the test a lot quicker. But now heres what they are doing. Now that weve tested more people than all the other countries in the world combined, they say okay, the testing rate isnt good enough. Permission to make a sports analogy, dana. This is like when a quarterback goes 9 for 10 for 100 yards. Of the opposing quarterback goes 39 for 50 for 400 yards. The democrats think the quarterback that went 9 for 10 is better because he had a better completion percentage. No, anybody with a brain will take the quarterback that had 39 completions for 400 yards. Dont fall into that trap. I do agree testing needs to get better. I was disappointed with the cdc director, this guy, redfield. I dont get a good feeling about him. They have the last contamination early. He doesnt inspire confidence. He is a poor communicator. He is not clear. He doesnt look charged up. Something about this guy i dont like. I cant put my finger on it. But the fact that he hasnt been out in front center this whole thing from the beginning as the cdc director tells you a lot. Dana but he has been. The white houses been having him do a lot of talk radio all across the nation. They think hes been great. I take your point. It wasnt easy to hear everybody during the remote. The dog that was barking and also Lamar Alexanders cute dog that was sitting behind him. What did you take away from the hearing . Juan dogs. I find it entertaining because i think its very real. You get the sense that these are human beings. We see them in their official setting of a Senate Hearing and you think its just some guy in a suit. In response to what jesse was saying, i was taken by the idea that you had republicans like Lamar Alexander and mitt romney saying hey, the testing has just not been sufficient and nothing to celebrate. Especially if we are looking towards reopening schools in the fall. We dont have that in place. Fauci was very clear. We dont have any kind of regiment or testing or any kind of way that we can assure the chance at the university of tennessee for example i think thats what they were talking about, with senator alexander, that you can open school in the fall. Right now it just doesnt seem that thats a reasonable goal to have. The other thing i would say in terms of what fauci said, again, i dont think this is republican or democrat. I think fauci just said with the potential for spikes across our country, not just in big cities, there is just too potential for death and more suffering and more people getting sick. It was very clear to me that he was trying to not politicize it, not to get into a backandforth with rand paul, but to say that he was speaking as a scientist and the people should listen. Dana katie, on the school thing, the chairman did go back to fauci and say lets clarify and fauci said Different Solutions for different places. He also said something to go might take help from and thats when pressed by senator romney, do you really think its realistic to get a vaccine within a year or two, fauci said absolutely thats possible. I thought what rand paul said about keeping kids out of school for a year, the consequences that especially if they are lower income kids, there would be severe consequences for that. Also dr. Fauci said with a the vast majority of who get people who get this disease recover and i think there needs to be more focus on the recovery numbers in addition to new cases in the continuation of the flattening of the curve. In the end, theyre going to be consequences on both sides of this no matter what decision they make. Keep it locked down there will be severe consequences. So many different sectors. If you open it back up, yes, there will be more cases but the deal was never to have zero cases. The deal was to get the hospitals ready to deal with it. Dana there is no perfect decision to be made. Indeed. Thanks, everybody. We have a Media Firestorm erupting after President Trumps interaction with a reporter yesterday. Open road and telling peoplete that Liberty Mutual customizes your insurance, so you only pa