Good of a throw. Good evening, this is the ingraham angle. What a day of bombshells over the molar mueller investigatiod trump. We will tell you how they are big wiretaps group missed the mark just a bit. And remember rob but gloria bl . Well, tonight she is here with a message for them and a warning for President Trump. And ben shapiro will join us to defend himself against the outrageous accusation that he incited a deadly attack on a mosque. But we begin with nbc walking back its big story today, that the feds had wiretapped the phones of the president s personal attorney Michael Cohen. The story now has a lengthy correction on top saying that three senior officials disputed that report, but the correction explains that they were monitored but not wiretapped. And investigators didnt actually listen to his calls. Well, fox news has confirmed that at least one of his phones was monitored with a device that records phone numbers dialed and the length of those calls and rudy julie Rudy Giuliani se reports same, we think its untrue because it would be totally illegal. Disclosing a wiretap is itself a federal felony. All of this came after giuliani emphasized that the trump team will know longley comic mongers sit idly by while muellers investigation creeps into every aspect of the president s life. This started with the collusion of the russians. No. Now they go to obstruction of justice, collusion among the players. What they are really trying to do is trap them into perjury and we are not suckers. Laura lets get into todays developments with white house secretary ari fleischer, and a former fec chairman, bradley smith. Guys, we have so much to get through. I want to go to you first, bradley. There was a moment during the interview this morning with Rudy Giuliani, where he again reiterated that this was not a campaign contribution, and then he added another thought that seem to contradict the first thought. Lets watch. If we had to defend this as not being it campaign contribution, i think we could do this. This was for personal reasons, this was the president had been hurt personally, not politicall politically. And the first lady, by some of the folks allegations. That one false allegation was six years old, and i think he was trying to help the family. For that, the man is being treated like some kind of villain and i think he was just being a good lawyer. Imagine if that came out on october 15, 2016, and the middle of the last debate with hillary clinton. So to make it go away, call me made it go away, he did his job. Laura bradley, do you see my point there, it was all during the campaign. Whether it was three weeks before the election or two weeks before the election, i wasnt quite getting that particular point. And whether it makes a difference in terms of any sec violations. Speak to write, i dont know exactly what rudy was thinking, but the basic law on this is, many things that can influence a campaign or not it Campaign Expenditures. So if the candidate thinks, i would look great in that new suit, he might spend 1800 on a suit, but its not a campaign expenditure. If he thinks, i would do better on this grueling campaign, if i had a week at Marthas Vineyard first, not a campaign expenditure, personal expenditure. The rule on this is not that something related to the campaign is a campaign expenditure, its something related to the campaign as a campaign expenditure. The sec rejected those. That has to be an obligation that would not exist but for the campaign. I think there is a strong argument at least from what we know publicly where trump would have said, we would have made these payments. Celebrities would have made these kinds of payments. He would have reasons like, protecting his family, protecting his commercial viability, not wanting the distraction. All of those things that might have made him want to do it. They have made similar payments in the past, and even Stormy Daniels if we are to believe her said in her 60 minutes interview that it is as far back as 2011 she was told not to say anything about this, suggesting that long before he was a candidate they wanted to keep this quiet. I think theres a very strong argument that this is not a campaign contribution, whether cohen paid it and trump reimbursed him or what, but its not a campaign expenditure. Laura does it all go to the state of mind of donald trump, when he was reimbursing, during what time frame, is not relevant here to look at this . Because away bradley just described it, i completely understand that. But the way of course its being reported across most media today, it is burned down the house kind of stuff. Your reaction . Bradley well i would never burn down the house for this kind of campaign law violation, assuming it is one. This is not the crime of the century, its relatively small potatoes. Bradley is more of an expert on the election law than i am and i always thought the test was, is it for the purpose of influencing the campaign . So its always a question if you do something 11 days before the campaign, but its relatively a fact question. And by no means would be easy to prove. But again, in the grand scheme of things, its relatively minor. I cant imagine any president being impeached, much less prosecuted for a felony for that. It doesnt change the fact that rudy isnt really talking about it in a very intelligent way and that its very dangerous to go on television and Start Talking about what your client said and did. Laura regarding i want to r you a montage that media com did about this wiretap issue. Watch. They were able to get texts, emails and wiretaps on his many phone lines, leading up to the rate and continuing. If you are involved in a conspiracy, crime or dirty tricks. Or coverup or obstruction. If there is evidence of the crime, i dont care if you are the president s lawyer. You get the same treatment i do, you go to the judge and say, i want to listen to his phone. Well it turns out that that didnt happen and you wonder why people call it fake news. They were positively jubilant all day, like we will have the recordings, we will be able to the speculation about what the conversation might have been if trump actually had a conversation, i have never heard anything like that. Your reaction to this media feeding frenzy . Ari the whole direction of the press has been blaming donald trump for everything. When nbc hears about Something Like this, they havent explained how and why they got it wrong. They run with it and, cnn, msnbc and cbs have never explained how they put a story on the air saying multiple sources read a memo saying that donald trump jr. Had advanced notice of the wikileaks. Now they have to retract that because a person reading the memo got a date wrong and the notice was after the wikileaks was aired. But they never explain how they possibly all could have had multiple sources getting that story wrong because this threshold is so low for antitrump stories. And its hurting journalism, its one of the reasons america splitting into two, frankly. You have those who dont believe the press and others who hate donald trump. Its not healthy for the countries who have the press get it wrong. Laura and by the way, the attorney for Stormy Daniels was invited on the show but he declined. He was also out there saying, this is a fact. I noticed they are treating him like hes just an objective analyst, whether its about the law or what happened. He keeps saying, its a fact. And you see these journalists stroking their chin, its a fact. Of course it wasnt a fact, it wasnt a fact, it was in effect at all. Ari they treat him the way they treated adam press play shift. They have no cynical tough questions asked. Laura i want to go to you on this other developer that we learned today. The email that Michael Cohen used too i guess facilitate or finalize the deal with the payment to daniel, was a trump. Org email. Does not have any bearing on this case and will not be looked at by mueller, who we know and we will get into this in the next segment we know can be overzealous and pushes the boundaries of the law to get something he wants. Its not first time its happened. We saw that with the blood goya veg case. Spivak of course, i cant say what mueller will do. But if its not a campaign expenditure, if it wasnt an obligation that would not have existed but for the campaign, then it doesnt matter how it was paid. It would have to come from someplace else. In fact this is one of the problems. Imagine if the trump folks had paid for this with Campaign Funds and reported this as a campaign expenditure. I can guarantee you, and you can bet the farm, they would have filed complaints alleging that this was an illegal diversion of Campaign Funds for personal use, and that is the problem that you have here. So either they will get them coming or going and if he spent his Campaign Funds, they would say you cant spend Campaign Funds for that, its personal. If he spends personal funds they would say, that had to have been to benefit your campaign and thats illegal, it can benefit both. Laura lets move on to monitor of perhaps text messages. Who was being texted, not the content but who was being texted. And it, monitoring of cohens phone calls. To whom was he speaking . So not the content, but the log of the calls. Is that surprising to you, unusual to you, or what would that indicate that mueller believes . Its actually first of all, remember this is a Southern District issue, not a mueller issue. But its relatively Standard Operating Procedure and you dont need probable cause for that. Youve seen hundreds of thousands of cases throughout the country, and by the way, on this nbc thing, if nbc had talked to anybody who is knowledgeable on criminal law and whitecollar cases, he would have immediately said, that cant be right. That story cant be right because giuliani is right about that, its a crime to leak Something Like that. Its incredibly serious, more serious than leaking grand jury information. I knew the story couldnt be right when i heard it. Why didnt they check with somebody who actually know something about criminal federal law before going with this . Laura the Southern District, what it finds however, if it finds something and all those documents that they took from Michael Cohens various places of residence, and anything related to russia or ten tangential to the russian investigation, that could be used as a proxy to get information for mueller, right . If you are cynical, you could use it as a proxy. Laura you know me after all this time, im a little cynical about this. You are right. Laura i am a former defense prosecutor diff attornu are a former prosecutor so you know. If i come across something that is evidence of a crime and its in muellers valley wick, goes back to evidence. But you look at what numbers you are dialing, how many times are they talking to this person, but they are not actually getting the content of the message. Laura sold they say after his offices were raided, he made a phone call to a white house number, they can put the screws on cohen and asked to whom did you speak and what did you speak about . Right . He can refuse to answer or they could get someone at the white house to answer that question, otherwise they wont find out what happened. Right, but i guarantee you as a general matter, they will be putting the screws to cohen across the board. Thats obvious from the way they are conducting this investigation. The question is, what do they have on him that has nothing to do with the president . Laura i have to play this for him. To indeed the press focused right on well you said the opposite about Stormy Daniels. Explain why the president , when he asked questions to reporters, a few details about the 35,000. Why the president was not truthful with the American People . As mayor giuliani stated, and i will refer you back to his comment, this was information that the president did not know at the time but eventually learned. How are the American People to trust or believe what is said here and im the president . We give the best information that we have at the time. Circle may 3 on the calendar because this is the day when we look back in the briefing that Sarah Sanders made it so painfully clear that she has lost the trust of the reporters in that room. Laura i think its so funny for Sarah Sanders to talk about losing credibility with the American People. That really stood out to me. She goes out and says what she knows, and i thought that was a low blow, cheap shot by that cnn political director. Ari thats tough, its a hard job especially when you are giving and complete information as the press secretary. And if incomplete information is given to you, you are particularly vulnerable. And they were being precisely accurate. But they both omitted crucial information. Sarah, when she briefed the press and said no payments by the president , either sarah went one step too far and over spoke, or the president gave her information that turned out to be incorrect. I dont know which of those two is the fact. But the timetable, sarah, is 100 right and its entirely reasonable for the president not to have known with specificity what Michael Cohen did in october of 2015, but he learned it later. That makes all kinds of sense and i wouldnt be surprised if they actually have that as the usual routine. Michael cohen cleans it up and doesnt fill in all the details and the president is happy to know not not to know the details. Tough day to be the press secretary but there is irony in the day the nbc gets it wrong and media and cnn regularly has it wrong. Blame the press secretary forgetting something wrong. Laura its interesting today, we will go to bradley on this and then saul. George conway, ive known him for 25 years, very smart lawyer. He decided to tweet out i believe it was a regulation. He says, not considered the candidates personal funds. And then he recites the relevant part of the statute. That was considered to be interesting because of course, he is the husband of kellyanne conway. It would lead people to believe that george conway, another smart lawyer, is saying he is trying to influence the election with this Michael Cohen payment. To me, that seemed like a huge leap, bradley, and it was like a headscratcher for me. And i love george, i was like, why the heck are you sending out that tweet . He doesnt know the background on this and i dont think any of us do. It still being developed. Bradley one of the things we cant for the last year, everyone lets conclusions outrun the facts on the ground. The statute basically says a campaign expenditure, something for the purpose of influencing a campaign, but that has to be considered in conjunction with other definitions of the statute. And another part of the statute specifically says what are not Campaign Expenditures. And things are not Campaign Expenditures if the obligation would have existed irrespective of the campaign. Like buying a new suit, getting a haircut, or for some people, i suppose having to pay off people who are harassing you with threats. Laura laura for nuisanc. Now saul, i want your opinion on that. For this operation, its a huge organization and hes a big target as a celebrity. This probably could have been done before . Or was done before, i have no idea. But if it was, that goes to the intent issue. Saul it is a fact question, like i said. 11 days before the campaign, it will be a fact question. The reason i think george i dont know him, but i will call him george. The reason he sent that out is because giuliani said, the president paid for it with his personal funds. Ergo, for sure it is not a Campaign Violation. I think he is just pointing out that its not who pays the funds. Hes not saying it is a Campaign Violation but, he saying for the guy that pays the funds, thats the purpose of it. Laura maybe hes just saying, im smarter than you are. Im just teasing. The russia probe isnt the first time that mueller and his pals have been accused of trying to railroad a huge politician. Our exclusive interview with blagojevich and his wife, coming up. Is different. Flonase relieves sneezing, itchy, watery eyes and a runny nose, plus nasal congestion, which pills dont. Flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. Most pills only block one. And 6 is greater than 1. Start your day with flonase for more complete allergy relief. Flonase. This changes everything. Laura could history be repeating itself with overzealous prosecutor seeking fame and glory . Mark vargas cited the fate of former illinois governor, Rob Blagojevich of illinois. Democrat is serving a 14 year sentence for corruption. Vargas argued that the stomach he was a victim of overzealous prosecution. It was then that fbi director bob mueller, who in 2008 authorized a totally unnecessary and ruthless predawn raid of the governor. Here with us exclusively are blagojevichs wife, patty, and chicago attorney lynn goodman, who represents the former governor. Its great to see both of you. Patty, your husband has been in jail for now seven years of a 14 year sentence. He was convicted on a couple of different corruption charges, bribery and extortion i believe. I think when people hear that they think, he must have taken a bribery, or promise to do something for someone giving him money, and he must have been heard or there must have been documentary evidence saying all that. But in fact, none of that happened. None of that at all. For me listening to your show, its almost like yogi berra says, deja vu all over again. Ten years ago, the same people, comey, fitzgerald and mueller, these outofcontrol prosecutors came after my husband with their unchecked power to undo an election by the people. These people are so far from eliot ness, they are a million light light years away. They are using their offices for their own personal enrichment to further their career to sell books. Speed laura i dont think bb muller ne