Current occupant of the white house, President Trump. Could krilt sizing mass migration actually become a criminal offense . A story you will need to see to believe. Plus President Trump and rudy juliani are opening new lines of attack on how bob muellers team is conducting their witness interviews. With no collusion in sight has the special counsel crossed the rubicon . Were going to question that. First honoring bush by trump thats the focus of tonights angle. When a former president passes away its appropriate to celebrate his life, achieve wants and remind the public of his record and legacy. Sadly though with the death of george h. W. Bush some in the media and politicians from both parties are abusing this moment to trash instead the sitting president. As the bush motorcade was making its way to the capitol for the last name. Inss Nicole Wallace a former bush aid herself could not restrain herself. Under donald trump the office of the presidency has been debased in a way that is unimaginable for people who served every past president. I think whats lost in this moment is our eleven reasons and dependence and the way we need and rely upon the elegance and traditions of the presidency. Laura lets get this straight shes talking about reverence and trashing the current president as the motorcade is inching its way up capitol hill. Then there was this gem from earlier in the day. Lets see what happens at wednesdays memorial service. My prediction is that trump fakes more respect for a family whose unprecedented history of Public Service has repeatedly belittled then he goes back to making a mock try to what this president long revered. Laura president bush was a man who loved his country, loved his family, his faith and his friends. He was a war hero and a dedicated public search the vant throughout most of his life. So are these folks really honoring that legacy and his innate sense of decency and kindness by slashing the man who entered the white house 25 years after him . Look, even if you dont care for President Trump, even if you just hate President Trump, try showing just a little bit of class and decorum. As bush 41 would have. The hits on trump, subtle and not subtle at all, have been interwoven throughout the commentary and the coverage. They both believe the presidency is bigger than themselves which is not something that this president always adheres to. What george h. W. Bush is being remembered for this week isnt a tweet or a press release or nothing much more than his fundamental character. I do not know how its going to work when donald trump as an ex president and theoretically a member of this club i really think its going to change because i dont think these men who share something in common really share that in common with donald trump. Laura at some point you dont even know what to say to these people. That was ron contain by the way. They reduce a president ial death to just a political battering ram like any other issue. But what you hear if you listen closely is the last gasp of an embittered establishment. Now as weve seen across europe and much of the United States, populism is swamping the old guard. Whether its on the right or on the left. So rather than direct their anger at trump, the establishment, frankly in both parties should be directing it at themselves. For it is their policies that the voters turned against in 2016. Things like open borders, china trade, nafta, high taxes, endless wars. Those werent trump policies, those were the policies of the establishment. And the establishment gopers apparently think the way to win back the people that they lost to trump is to belittle the president no onstoonstop . Even if during formal and informal on air youll low i didnts and tributes . At a time like this, when a father, a grandfather, a great grandfather and a former president has died, we should be bigger than the petty politics of the moment. I think we should be capable of uniting as americans and celebrating the best of george h. W. Bush without resorting to the same old usual political snark and calumny. And isnt that what president bush would have wanted . And thats the angle. Laura joining me now we have an amazing panel. Former governor of arkansas, mike huckabee, reagan biography Craig Shirley and white House Counsel c boyden gray. All of you, it is great to have you. I know former president bush would have loved the fact were getting together to talk about this moment and legacy and honor him for who he was, his patriotism, love of country, deep Public Service. Craig i want to start with you. Wouldnt bush, you knew him, i want to hear from boyden on this, we grew up in the reagan revolution, reagan bush, we worked there, if it werent for reagan bushy wouldnt be here. Neither would have. Laura none of us would be. It would be a different world. Laura but i have to believe that the man he was, wouldnt have loved a lot of the stuff he is hearing. You know its amazing is that, you know when eisenhower was in office, they dreaded eisenhower, he couldnt read if his lips were chapped, then he became a battering ram. Richard nicks nicks was an exemplary president , you remember how they treated him. Gerald ford was mocked when he was in the white house, then they made him an exemplary figure, they like republican president s who no longer have power. They bashed the heck out of george h. W. Bush when he was in office, annoy the media, vote for bush. Laura were going to get to that. In 88 he had famous dust ups with the media, banned newsweek from his private plane. Laura boyden the white House Counsel, you knew the bushes so well, it was just at the end of the bush era in 1992 when i met you, it was a heart breaking loss. But listening to bill crystal for instance today he tried to capture what he thought were the big conflicts of the moment at a time when its great to honor who bush was. Lets watch. There were reagan republicans and bush republicans, what strikes me compared to today is what they have in common, the reagan and bush and mccain republicans and some were more conservative than others, different views on issues but they all respected the country, respected the institutions, tried to live up to what they thought was a pretty impressive history, pretty impressive future for this country. That is unfortunately i believe a contrast with Donald Trumps republican party. Laura i kind of agreed with everything up to the very last minute. Boyden your sense about how rank the abuse of this moment is, just to again bash trump. Its not making any sense and he wouldnt have done this, that is 41 wouldnt have. And two of trumps greatest at chiefly wants, deregulation and judges were right out of the bush playbook. I dont understand why crystal would turn what was actually a pretty good recital into a negative in the last two sentences, it doesnt make any sense. Laura governor huckabee like all of us sitting here who oh so much to the bush reagan legacy, to see the family gathered, this is a moment of mourning and a moment of reflection on a life well lived. Policy debates are important, craig writes about them, i speak about them. But at this moment its about an incredible man. What will an amazing family this was. They were welltodo, but they never lost that kind of innate sense of love of country, love of family, and their faith which is being underplayed by some today, conveniently. You know if im gonna get a lesson in how to deal with a death, and how to do it with class and dignity, im not going to look to mika ror nicole im going to look to george h. W. Bush even though he wasnt fond of the 445th president he made sure this president would be invited to be a part of the funeral service. Thats class, dignity. Thats the president bush we loved and considered to be a great statesman who loved his country more than he disliked anybody. I think he gave us the template for how to handle these kind of moments. We ought to be taking our lessons from the man that were honori honoring whose casket lies in state at the capitol right now. Laura i always get a lump in my throat when you see the casket being walked up the steps. Its sad that these are the types of moments that are required to get us to stop for a moment, or should stop for a moment. Were americans. We want to be successful and free and independent. We have incredible history, founding documents, we shouldnt be just these moments. I want to talk to you all for a moment about the recasting of the historical narrative. Craig we talked about this on the radio this morning. Some of the more absurd moments of the past 24 hours came when the antitrump press again tried to piggyback on the death of an American Patriot to defend their own reputations. He understood that the press wasnt the enemy of the people. And even said basically at the end of the day, were all in this together. And i will be here for you just like this together. And i will be here for you just like i know you would be here for me. What a remarkable difference between 1988 and 2018p. I think it was a mark of that sense of respect, as i say, that was very, very notice i believe then and is all well is virtually absent now. He had good relations with the media. He called us the media, he invited us to white house dinners occasionally. He kept up with us, i was just reading mauer reason dowd. This rank revisionism is stunning. They regularly spewed bill crystal against george h. W. Bush. They were trashing him and maureen dowd by the way who is line thighsing him today, i love her writing its fun. She used to belittle the bushes, what they watched, what they listened to for music. I was reading a column from may 1st, 1990. She called them the gracious cruise director. They lampooned him for patting barbara on the derriere during the campaign. As for his relationship with the press, look at this 1987 newsweek cover. Bush considered it the cheapest shot of his political career. Check it out. You can read it, referring to him as the wimp factor. How about this great relationship with dan rather during a 1988 interview . Well, dan lets be careful here, because youre i want you to be careful mr. Vicepresident. How do you explain that you cant remember. Because i wasnt there at that point. You werent in the meeting. Im just saying i dont remember it. I dont want to be argumentative mr. Vicepresident. Dan [laughter]. These its not fair to judge my whole career by a rehash on iran. How would you like it if i judge your career by those seven minutes when you walked off the set in new york . Would you like that . I have respect for you but i dont have respect for what youre doing here tonight. Give us all a break, we could go on and on with this. Craig helen thomas, all of these, boyden. The Washington Post once wrote that george bush reminded every woman of their first husband. He had a very contentious argument with a group of reporters because they charged he wasnt tough enough to be president. He was a war hero. He set out in the eyes of texas to create a business. He said none of you ever had to watch your child die, i did. This idea that he wasnt tough enough to be president was nonsense. The red diaper baby, whose parents were wellknown rich limousine liberals, they viciously attacked him during his president ial career. Laura im going to tweet this column during the commercial break, bushes taste down home to less so, rid cowling the bushes, it captures what everything that the elites think. They were the elites. The bushes were the ee lets, this is the media elites tra trashing bush because he was a republican. Well i knew he was going to win the election with the dan rather thing. I happened to be in the white house and stayed, couldnt leave for three hours because of the phone response. They loved it. And to think that he was a wimp when he took on dan rather that was one of the high points of his campaign and i think won the election for him. Laura boyden you and i and craig were there, this was nonstop come back. Reagan was so nice, trump is so mean. Bush was toufrlg when he needed to be. Theyre different permits, different world experiences. So what . Its okay. The author, devan thomas was banned from air force one. Laura mike uhhum, jamie gangle who interviewed the bushes, remember bush did not vote for donald trump, called him a blow hard, said i didnt like trump, hes a blow hard, bush didnt like trump, thats final. I disagree with him but thats final. Jamie gangle spoke today on cnn about whether the bush funeral and the memory of george h. W. Bush will menecessarily alter t way donald trump speaks. Like he should have different policies i guess because george h. W. Bush has passed away. I want to play this exchange for you governor and have you react on the other side. Lets watch. Will it have an effect on the tenor of this town . Its a great point and a great question, because we had this conversation just three months ago when we said farewell to senator mccain and everybody thought that would be a reset in washington and of course it was not. The bush family has said the white house and i think john kelly has been responsible for this, that they have really just opened the doors, bent over backwards to make everything work. But come next week do we see a more by partisan washington when theyre back to the border wall fight and special counsel developments . I would not bet on it. Laura trump should give up the wall because george h. W. Bush died. Thats the argument. Theyre actually making on cnn. I know every president has his own personality, their own focus. The media, in what youve just played has reminded us why most of americans absolutely dont trust them and hold them in contempt. And every president has their contentious relationship with the press. This one that we have now is probably maybe has the most contentious relationship but its in large measure because the press absolutely refuses to be journal lifts and they just want to be opinion mongers, its unfortunate that taking what ought to be the celebration of a great patriot, statesman, selfless servant of this nation and instead of focussing upon his qualities theyre trying to focus on what they perceive to be the lack of qualities in donald trump, the very qualities that Many Americans frankly believe to be the reason hes president right now. Laura 7 craig of the media, 7 voted for george h. W. Bush boyden is listening going, wait a second, was it that many . No one they didnt act like this. They had a lot of writers at National Review that year. Laura they embraced a republican in death, but dont treat them fairly in life. When theyre actually in office a. Pointing people like Justice Clarence thomas. They trashed him for clarence thomas. Remember the thomas hearings something. Laura oh, yeah. But that is the world as it is. So were not trying to gloss over the real differences that exist. But craig, reagan and bush, youve written about it, reason did rendezvous with destiny, tell us about that. It was very contentious, they didnt get along. During the 80 primaries, it was heated, argumentative, they were from two cultural different uni versus, one was more moderate, the other more conservative. It was a marriage of convenience at the detroit convention. Reagan so opposed picking george bush who most people thought was the obvious choice, bush was second in the primaries, is that they saw the co. President to gerald ford and tried to get the senator from nevada on the ticket. So they very much resisted the idea of picking george bush. Laura they ended up having eight years in the white house and it was a great partnership. It ended up being a really good pick in the end. But thats politics. Laura its a tradeoff, right . Absolutely. It was eye great choice. And reagan really appreciated bush, who never wanted to take credit for the great things ed for reagan. But reagan knew. Laura in a way a perfect vicepresident in that regard. He was, yes. Laura governor huckabee, page for thought in the. I think its a great time for us to reflect on what service sacrifice is all about. George h. W. Bush enlisted, served his country under age, shot down, lived his life, an exemplary life of family, faith and love of country. God bless him and god bless his memory. Laura we should pray tonight for his family and all those who are grieving and mourning for our country. Learn something Going Forward about, you can disagree but at these moments its time to be americans and stand for all the goodness in his life. Great panel, thank you so much. President trump and his attorney rudy juliani ramping up their attacks on the special counsel. Is their anger warranted at this juncture . 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I think the special prosecutor has stepped over the line now, the way hes intimidating people in order to tell what he believes is his version of the truth. An ethical prosecutor would stop this and pursue some other line of inquiry with other people. You can only exert a certain amount of pressure before it becomes unethical and destructive. Laura the president s lawyer rudy juliani is taking aim at what he calls destructive tactics employed by special counsel bob muellers team. This was soon followed by the president taking issue between his old lawyer Michael Cohen and muellers team. You have mean he can do all of the terrible, unrelated to trump things having to do with fraud, big loans, tax its, et cetera and not serve a long prison term . He lied for this outcome and should in my opinion serve a full and complete sentence. Throw away the key. Joining me now is jon sale, matt schlapp and byron york. John lett me start with you, is there a method to this madness now, being employed by the president and juliani theyre the kind of tag teaming on mueller. Whats the theory, strategy, point of that . Well i dont think its madness. I think what they need i