Chopo, more than a 66yearold political lifer. What do former fbi acts who carried out raids like this think about this obvious show of intimidation. Theyll tell us tonight. The shutdown fight is over. About 40 minutes ago the government is officially open, the traffic will be back on monday. And its clear trump did not come out on top. I wont spin it for you. While the democrats gloat, about a political victory, heres my question tonight. Have they revealed that they care more about politics in 2020 than the people of our great country. Well examine. But first. No experience under whatsoever i will bear false witness against the president nor will i make up lies to ease the pressure on myself. Laura former Trump Advisor Roger stone looking like he just came off the golf course, coming out of the courtroom defiant, he will not testify against the president after bob mueller sent a swarm of armed fbi agents to his house before the sun was up. Now, stone remained resolute earlier with our own tucker carlson. I will not quit. I will not fold. I will not bend. I will not bear false witness against the president. I intend to fight. Because this indictment is, is, is fabricated. Laura with me now is roger stones lawyer, tyler nixon. Tyler, thanks for being here, you have had a long day. I want to read from the indictment and get your reaction. A quote, after the july 22nd, 2016 release of stolen dnc emails by organization one, which we have learned is wikileaks, a Senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases, and what other damaging information, organization one had regarding the clinton campaign. Tyler, who directed that Campaign Official . Well, thats a mystery that i think remains to be seen and remains to be discovered. Thanks for having me on, appreciate it, its been a long day for sure. This witch hunt has been going on, has been taken to the extreme. And as we know, roger was carted off from his home, early raid, predaunl raid, in a manner that was predawn raid that was reminiscent of a police state rather than a free republic. It was disgraceful. You and i share, i believe, the alma mater of her mueller, the university of virginia law school, i think mr. Jefferson would be standing with mr. Stone rather than robert mueller. Its hard to say, theres so much fabrication and so much insin u asian that insinuation thats gone on. Ive known roger for years. This is just, really kafkeesque, a lynch mob. Laura a lot of people watching fox tonight, theyre worried. I mean, theyre worried a friend of trumps arrested in a predaunl raid, ridiculous, i was a criminal defense attorney, case like this, you notify you, they would have called you up and said were going to bring him n it would have been arranged no, big deal. If he was going to destroy documents hes had, like, two years to do it f thats what he wanted to do. Patently absurd. All to put pressure on him. Ive seen this tactic so many times in the past its palt interestly obvious. Weve patently obvious. On the facts of this, lying to congressional investigators, lying to any federal official, its a process crime but also a crime. Did your client commit a crime in answering questions about documents that he had in his possession that might have vinld kated indicated an intent to facilitate russian interference in the election . Absolutely not, laura. I mean, this has been hashed over by roger himself, over and over again. The bottom line, i reviewed his testimony, which by the way has been held secret in the Intelligence Committee, the bouls of the intelligence bouls of the Intelligence Committee since december of 2017, allowing them to mischaracterize the testimony and characterize mr. Stone as having lied, purchase injured himself as perjuried himself as the case may be, still yet to be released. Yet it was released to robert mueller. Roger gave truth r truthful answers and accurate answers with the information he had at the time. In the interim time, there has been discovered materials, including a cell phone which contained texts, for example, with Randy Credico which exonerated roger. Roger stated that randy was the intermediary. Laura he denies that. Didnt he tell credico has denied it all along. He has lied all along. There are texts that clearly show that, yes, he absolutely was discussing wikileaks. Laura they have that. Let me ask you about this morning, i woke up way too early for having a late show and saw this thing blowing up. I see the agents in, there like banging on the door, like a tv show, banging on the door, fbi, some one is going to pull out an uzi on them. I felt bad, it was pathetic. When they go in there, roger is in his bathrobe, pajamas. What happened then, tell me, they read him hills rights, obviously, what did they start going through . They were there for hours. Pulling up floor boards, ceiling panels, going through hard drives obviously, what happened . Im at a disadvantage not being on the ground in florida, i havent gotten these details, dealing with other aspects of the case. Laura you havent gotten the details about what happened in your clients house . As far as i know they havent been back to his house yet. They were still going through it. Laura i was wondering if they gave you any indication he hasnt been back to the house . News media all over the place. Regular americans want to know, when the government comes after you, rightly or wrongly, what happens inside the house. Ive seen it, they pick up everything, go through everything. But they were there for hours. Tonight, how is your client doing . We saw him on tucker, how is he doing, feel like hes in legal jeopardy . Alan dershowitz, i have to play this for you, tonight, he spoke about the possibility of flipping your client. Lets watch. Stone doesnt strike me as the kind of guy whos going to easily cooperate. But look, when youre facing long prison term, the most loyal of people turn to themselves and say, i have to look out for myself first. Cohen said he would never testify against trump, he would take bull let for him. You never know whats going to happen when the person is arrested for a myriad of crimes. Laura tyler, reaction. Roger stone, he has said repeatedly that he would not bear false witness against the president under any circumstance. And thats what he could have to do would have to do to implicate the president. There is no russian collusion, there is no conspiracy with wikileaks, nothing thats been contrived out of thin air, in this witch hunt, this hoax is what it is. He would not do that. Hes not michael cohen. Roger stone, ironically as you know is really one of the most honest people that youll find in politics, hes truthful about himself and what he does and who he is. Laura hes been around for a long time, a very interesting and colorful past. So do all of us. But i have to, if you read his last book you learn more about his thinking, worried about his financial situation, you get paid, lawyers cost a loof money. Tyler, you could have gone on any show tonight, we really, really appreciate you joining us. Come back, this will be a saga that continues. Appreciate it, get some sleep. Thank you. Laura watching anatural sis of the stone arrest, man, i just analysis, i just saw a shocking lack of honest and objective analysis. Even former dni, jim clapper, was making huge leaps with rank speculation. Based on these series of communications that stone was having with Senior Trump Campaign officials, often in advance of wikileaks releases, emails stolen by russia, what does that show to you, is that evidence in your view, of coordination between the Trump Campaign and russia . Well, it does to me, i say that, not as an attorney but just as a layman. I think clearly, it does show connection, coordination, synchronization, whatever you call it. Laura okay, nice try. Nothing of the sort was indicated in the indictment. I mean, this is where people should not go on tv if they dont bother to read the indictment. Baseless from former director of national intelligence. We might reremind you committed open perjury during the obama years and faced zero penalties. Where is the justice. Tonight well expose men like that and eld kate you, the viewer, along the way. We put together an unbelievable panel. The political and legal aspects and the Law Enforcement aspects regarding that Elian Gonzalez style raid on stones house. Phil wisen berg, former deck director of whitewater, byron york for the political analysis, from the washington examiner, and Fox News Contributor. Some one whos done more reporting than most people on the fafgts plan oat the russian investigation, saul. Now, you read the indictment, tonight, what you just heard from one of roger stones lawyers tells you what . Well, hes acting like any good defense lawyer would act. I look at the indictment and obviously, if he really did, the strongest parts of the indictment are the allegations of lying directly to congress. The weakest part has to do with the socalled intimidation of one of the others who was testifying. I look at the indictment, all of these indictments that are for lying, its not that lying isnt a serious crime, like you say, but in the grand scheme of things p youre looking at what is really being supposedly ultimately investigated, criminal conspiracy, theres a term of art in criminal defense world for these kinds of charges. Its two words, the first word is chicken and the last word ends in it. Thats what most of these charges are like. For the people, look, its not a gestapo raid, not an elian gonlz raid. Laura are you kidding me . It was an appropriate search. I heard roger stone say once they came in, and arrested him, they were very courteous. Dont get me wrong, lets not compare to it the nazis. Inappropriate search, and the people saying it was appropriate because they had a search warrant and he was going too destroy evidence, they could have searched him before the indictment. Laura right, thats the point i was making. Like they did with manafort. Point number two, he was released on 250,000 personal recognizance. I dont think the mueller people challenged that. So hes no flight risk at all. And theres nothing in the indictment that says that he was destroying evidence. Laura okay. Its ridiculous some of these comments. Laura i mean, semantics aside, joe, i want your reaction to this. This is former cia director, your favorite person, joe, i cant believe you arent having drinks tonight, john brennan, making predictions for the next two months. There was an extensive effort to try to influence the outcome. Election, that involved the russians, that involved u. S. Persons, and that may have gone to the very top of the Trump Campaign. I expect that within the next 60 days you will have a fair number of indictments. Fair . Fair number, significant number of indictments. Laura joe, he can read minds, too. Well, john brennan was part of a conspiracy to frame donald trump. He went to london, met with the nsa of the uk, arranged for false intelligence to be fed into the United States towns assist in acquiring false fisa warrants. What john brennan has to say really doesnt matter. Laura, before we move away from it, i want to say that the rid this morning the raid this morning, to arrest roger stone, was one of the most vindictive, unprofessional actions ever conducted by the u. S. Department of justice. Bob mueller, all of his minions, chris ray, Rod Rosenstein, and the acting attorney general Matt Whitaker should be ashamed of themselves. It was absolutely unnecessary. It was done for vindictive reasons. It is the beginning of the final degradation of the fbi and the department of justice. And the fact that chris ray and Rod Rosenstein and whitaker allowed this to occur, because they were aware of it, they did not stop it, they knew it was going to happen, it is an embarrassment to the department of justice, and it really, really makes it important that a very serious person take over the department, bill barr, so that people like chris ray can be held accountable. Laura 29 agents. I dont care if they baked cookies for stone. It is an embarrassment. Laura if they brewed coffee for stone once they got in there, it was show for cnn. It was total show. Ed a less yent behavior. Laura 15 outposts they needed to cover . Byron, no, you wrote a byron york, you say its not what is in the indictment, they could have written that in three pages, its what is not in the indictment. Explain that, please. Whats not in the indictment is an allegation that there was a conspiracy, between the Trump Campaign and russia to fix the 2016 election. Thats just not there. The other thing thats really not there, is evidence of any knowledge before hand, of roger stone, about what wikileaks was going to do. The most lookedat paragraph in the whole thing, the paragraph, on july 22nd, 2016, when the wikileaks disclosures happened, then the Trump Campaign got in touch with roger stone, said whats going on. This was after the fact. Laura but i have a question one more thing. Suggests there was not a collusion scheme in place. And running when it happened. Laura i want to go to saul. When i hear byron describe, this i think to myself, big deal. Like roger stone wanted to find of the, when was the next one coming. They were paying for russiansourced false, phony, salacious information on donald trump that was sourced in russia. They were paying a u. S. Firm to help disseminate it, including up to john mccains office and everyone else who had it. Somehow this guy, roger stone, ends up arrested today, predawn . Really . I mean, to me, its crazy. Lawyer, a im surprised at you, laura. Im surprised at you. I dont see why youre not more excited about paragraph 12 of the indictment. I look on msnbc, and cnn, theyre orgasmic over it. Laura thats the first time that word has been used on our show. And it is friday night. This is the paragraph that everybody is so excited about. Because it talks about stone being directed or asked by Senior Member of the Trump Campaign to find out when the next release is going to be. Look, it certainly, if true, is embarrassing to the Trump Campaign, perhaps. Laura i dont think so. Who cares . But, but, but, think about what theyre saying, theyre saying that somebody in the Trump Campaign, if true, learned about this, there was plenty of reporting about this, and they asked stone to find out when the next release is going to be. Im sorry, but that alone is not any kind of a crime. And it certainly is not conspiracy to hack the electoral system or hack somebodys computer, or to accept benefits from the russian government. It just isnt. But its the um teenlth indictment in the case where people come on like brennan and clapper, and say you will see a bunch of indictments in the next two weeks, and its part of muellers master plan to dribble out, its all pampbt of the master plan to dribble out the indictments, dribble out the information. It is just, so far, not there. Laura i want to play for you laura . Laura go ahead, joe. Laura, very, very important putting on top of what saul just said. Every bit of behavior of roger stone and the other people named in the indictment, and the trump people, with the exception of the allegations of stone for lying obstruction, all of the other behavior is perfectly legal. It doesnt matter if the trump people wanted to know when the next one was going to hit. Laura why is that a crime . That is a legal question. That is a legal question. You can do that, its called political intelligence. Laura its oppo research. The clintons did that. Nothing in the indictment about any of the people involved in the Trump Campaign or roger stone or person number one or person number two is illegal except the lying. I think theyre done with me. Laura i want to play something, byron, rick tyler today on msnbc. Its important, peep aim cross the country, in the kitchen, making dinner for their kids, oh, my god, this is terrible. I dealt with this as a criminal defense lawyer, reading these indictments, the people are freaking out about it. Everything has to be put in context. Then you have the leap from nevertrumpers, like rick. Donald trump is a political con man whose showmanship has caught up to him. It shouldnt be surprised that roger stone has been indicted for perjury. Hes a practitioner in the political dark arts, known for dirty tricks, and i think a lifetime of this shtick has finally caught up with him. Laura apparently shtick is the federal crime. I didnt know that. Thats analysis on television today. Stone did make problems for himself in this way, he bragged about all sorts of things, suggested he had been in touch with Julian Assange when he hadnt, but he said it publicly. After saying that publicly, he goes in front of the house and they ask him about his public statements. Except this time hes under oath. Maybe he doesnt till the truth about the whole thing, he is certainly accused of lying about it. I was his own bragging that got him into trouble. Laura never brag. Good idea. Laura very quickly, saul, will there be another big highprofile indictment coming out of muellers office or as david french said, this a sign it has to wrap up . I have no idea but theres something no one is talking about, what a democratic town and trumphating town d. C. Is, and thats where roger stone is going to be tried in front of a jury of his alleged peers. And we should never forget that. Its a bad town for republican defendants. Laura excellent point, joe knows that. Ask scooter libby. Laura bingo, had to get pardoned because of what happened to him. Now, analysis anywhere else on television today. Thank you. Coming up as american citizens shouldnt we be asking a few more questions about the heavyhanded tactics used by the fbi and mule they are morning . Those who approved them. Do you believe what cnn said, they were doing good reporting and thats why they were there with the camera. The only fast, powerful heartburn relief, plus melatonin so you can fall asleep quickly. 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