Want optimism. Sean first we didnt do some of these things, first the travel ban, then the other bans, the quarantines. The number of deaths couldve been 2. 5 million americans. The the numbers in the new york hospital, we didnt expect this early. Thank god. Laura hannity, great show as always. Great to see you. Sean great show this week. Laura thanks so much. Im laura ingraham, this is the ingraham angle. We could be on the verge of a potential new breakthrough treating some of the most severe coronavirus cases. We are going live to the mayo clinic for all the details, fascinating. And aoc things President Trump is using the pandemic to target certain groups of people i kid you not. Dinesh dsouza, no one better than that to react. Plus what a surprise. The left is adopting chinese propaganda and pushing it. Stephen mosher, the expert of experts on china, exposes it a all. This is america in the shutdown, day 22. It was just a few days ago that we were hearing very scary numbers like these. The number was 2. 2 Million People wouldve died, 2. 2 Million People wouldve died in a short period of time. As you saw on the slide, that was our real number. That 100,000 to 200,000. We think that is the range. How should americans be prepared for the likelihood that there will be 100,000 americans who die from this virus . Yes, as sobering a number as that is, we should be prepared for it. It looks like those projections which drove the experts to recommend an aggressive shutdown of america, were wildly off base. The head of the centers of Disease Control now says that u. S. Coronavirus deaths could be much lower than 206,000 by some earlier models. Originally the assumptions with fewer americans would keep their distance. Laura you all behaved so things were better. The final death counts today projected to be about 80,000 people, in other words, 30 times fewer than the high end being originally forecast, that you. 2 million figure, and three times fewer than the 240,000 numbers. We know this country is experiencing experiencin excruciating loss, every life matters to every family due to whatever cost. It is worth asking, is it not, what would our response have been and what our response have been less damaging to the economy, to the lives of all of you, millions of americans, if we had had more accurate models from the start . And should and this experience make us less willing to rely on the same experts to help determine when and how we should reopen our economy . Meanwhile in europe, the leaders of norway, denmark, czech republic, and austria have announced plans to relax coronavirus locked on restrictions. Norway will and its ban on families traveling to their holiday cottages on april 20th. Other businesses will other to reopen too. Denmark will press ahead with a cautious reopening beginning with day care and primary schools on april 15th, talks are underway to get their businesses up and running again as well. And more good news from germany, which has the thirdlargest outbreak in europe. They saw the number of daily recoveries recoveries outnumber a new covid cases on tuesday. Check out their new infections curve. Looking much better. In france, the government there has decided to take away the one thing that people had left to keep them frankly saying by deciding to ban outdoor daytime. That seems totally nuts to me. Im not an expert in these things. But exercise have so Many Health Benefits that would seem to outweigh the risk that you would get coronavirus when you run or bypassed someone on a trail. I dont know. Physical exertion even indoors can pose its own challenges. Laura and finally, you feel it, dont you . America is getting increasingly anxious about the shutdown. Given the fact that the death rate for covid19 may end up being only slightly worse than a very tough flu season, we want answers. We want objective metrics for restarting things. This idea of reopening up the economy, its not like theres a switch where you can turn it back on. How did the administration envision it happening . Our First Mission is to save lives beard but there is a dual track, the president has already initiated, some of the best minds in the white house are beginning to think about what recommendations will look like that we give to businesses, that we give to states. Laura well, a little vague, but what about parents and their children . Are they ever going to go back to school . What do you think summer camp holds and the start of the next school year holds . Its unpredictable. You can get a feel for if we Start Talking about the things where the curve goes down there when we really have it at a minimum, how we respond and what kind of rebound we see or dont see. Laura do you know what else is also going like this . Retention of information. Kids learning. Thats a lot of parents, your emailing me and thank you, keep the emails coming, but the answers are murky. They dont give you a sense of what are we looking at here . Remember. As much as we respect and admire all those on the front lines of our health care system, especially doctors, nurses, all the staff, we didnt vote for doctors. We didnt vote for modelers, statisticians, as brilliant as many of them can be, we voted for Political Leadership that sees the big picture. That means the whole picture of america we all know. We walk out the front door, life entails risk. The vulnerable need protection, especially the elderly and those with underlying conditions. And at the same time, freedom needs preserving. We cannot have our people denied the ability to make a living, go to school, attend worship services, travel as they wish, see their friends. We need a realistic, objective metrics. We need clear protocols to give people peace of mind once we do restart our economy and reopen again. We want people to go back to restaurants and so forth. We want those businesses to not just survive but thrive again. Otherwise we risk creating a new epidemic, one of continuing mass unemployment, depression, societal fallout, even a medical expert still cant proceed. And those are my thoughts at the end of day 22. America in shutdown. Joining me now is steve moore, top 2016 Economic Advisor and author of trumpeconomics. How can we get this country we reopen . Such respect for all these guys, a tough thing to try to balance here. But there seems to be a lack of objective metrics. We heard about the curve, we heard about the projections. But now we find out that the projections were wildly wrong. By not a factor of a few percent, but by a factor of 30 from the highs that were predicted. Thats right, laura. I heard so many of the politicians say quite correctly that our First Priority is to save lives. But ive got to tell you, loud and clear laura, the american economy, or 20 trillion economic engine, is in the intensive care unit right now. Its like its on life support. You look at whats happening. When you talk about millions of businesses affected, im here to tell you that if we do not get this economy opened up in the next 46 weeks, you are going to see these businesses never come back. They are going to be wiped out. They are now projections, lara, of unemployment in the United States, 40 or so Million People, the 20 unemployment rate, thats worse, laura than in the depths of the great depression. By the way, this just doesnt affect the United States as you know. We are the epicenter of the entire world economy. When the u. S. Economy falters like it is right now, and its crippled, its crippled because of the shutdown, it affects everyone in the whole world. Youd be right about this from the very start. People like you and me had been very criticized for even daring to say, hey, maybe its time we start taking into account what we are doing to the economy. We have to do some spotting. Laura yeah, weve got to protect lives. But i believe one of the double phds at stanford, a guy thats not political, said last week or the week before, these are all lies. There are lies on both sides here, and its tough because we dont want anyone to die of any horrible illness. But we have to look at the longterm ability of the United States to remain a free country and we hope a prosperous country where people like thousands of employees can get up in the morning. That goes to you. People who were talking about restarting the economy are i guess demonized as uncaring. But i know, you paid for your first month of your employees, 40,000 employees, you cover their salaries even when you guys were shut down. How is this looking . You are exactly right, lara. Stephen is right. The president is right. The president has the right instinct that we have to go back to work. The damage to the economy is exponentially bigger each day. Just like the modeling for the coronavirus, which was exponential. If we do not move fast and decisively with the whole plan, the plan has to include how you are going to fight the virus. We have two wars, the virus and the collapse of the economy. Its like a wheel with spokes. You have to think about all the spokes simultaneously. But just like steve said, just like you been trying to say over and over and over, in the next six weeks, youre going to see the impact of the shutdown kill more people from depression, more people from starvation, young people i mean, it wont stop if you dont have enough money for your own basics, you arent going to give money away. We really have to balance this thing. We need a target date, i call it a d date. We have to have a day. This is really important. All the boardrooms, the productively in the u. S. Right now is completely collapsed. I cant no boardroom, no other ceo can make any plans on how to even restart. Without having a date. A deadline is critical. Had my team five years really important, five years weve been planning to be digitally capable for our members. We shut down and take ten days, we have additional platforms up and running. We need that money. Drugs can get ready, everything can get ready. That should be made first. Day one. We shouldnt fly from that. Did you see what happened this today, laura . Mitch mcconnell, the Senate Majority leader, said we need more money after the bill we passed last week, we are spending money like its candy in washington like hersheys kisses, we are up to 2. 5 trillion. They want to spend another 2. 2 trillion, and says we might need another 2. 2 trillion above that. This is going to bankrupt our country and all the money we are spending, thats not going to solve the problem that this gentleman is talking about laura its a tourniquet. You just cant spend that money to bathe these businesses. Laura i was listening to someone, maybe it was on fox business, the idea that we can spend our way out of this. The president knows we cant do that. We cant spend our way out of it. We can help people and needs to help people, but weve got to get the engine of this economy moving again and what we are seeing now are all these former Obama Administration officials and some former bush ministers and officials saying, weve got to be very careful. We obviously do not want to have another spike, but they are not looking at the broader population of america. If we start listening to the former obamacare architects and wait until the late fall, lets play the sound bite so you know what im talking about. Realistically, covid19 will be here for the next 18 months or more. We will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications. How are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for a year and a half . Is all that economic payment all that worth to stop covid19 . The truth is we have no choice. Laura your 40,000 employees, where did they go to get zeke manual where they button down, all perfect. That such a bad sound bite. Laura its an embarrassment. Its such a thoughtless statement. Let me say it like steve said. Economy is like the blood flow. How fast how the money is moving around in our economy. It has completely slowed down. Parts of your body are going to go to sleep and thought. Every week is critically more dangerous. So we need to have a plan. Weve been fighting viruses for thousands of years. Theyve been around. We have not given to the fear of the virus. The fear of the virus is going to kill so many more people than the virus itself. We have to have a plan to go back to work without fear. I can suggest concepts on how we can do that. Laura well have to save that for another time. We will stay on this, well have you both back. We will obviously be talking about this poor lord knows how long. But thank you very much for both your thoughts. Everyone wants to get back to work and one republican senator says he has a way to do this. At what cost . Republican senator bill cassidy things we need an online immunity registry. He joins me now. Senator, what information will be included in this registry . Any time we hear a government registry, we all, a little chill goes down our spine. What will this be, could it be achieved in a reasonable amount of time, scaled up fast, and how would it work . Yes. Weve been living with immunity registry since the 1990s. Whenever a child is backdated from birth firm hepatitis c, in general, its online, when she enters college, medical school, Law Enforcement when he five years later, you pull it down from here is my record, you dont have to get revaccinated. Weve been living with these first quite some time and they are hipaa protected. You want some evidence of a persons immunity so they can go back to work. Knowing she is immune, want have to wear protective treatment promote wants to get infected, not going to get in other people. You can imagine how that keeps going out. Allowing them for your access to the economy, if you will, in a way which follows them if they need to do, they can pull it down and give it to the next employer and then they are okay. Laura we dont know how many people are confused about this there are more people in california that developed some immunity before the viruses circulating on the west coast longer than on the east coast. They shut down obviously a little better as well. What about the people who are young who are pretty good health, why couldnt they go back to work right away too . If they stay sick, they got to go home. They can go around the elderly people. They can go around the immunocompromised. The younger people, they almost very rarely unless you have Underlying Health conditions, to get really sick from covid19, but they can get infected and spread it to other people. So much so that they may have no symptoms whatsoever, give their grandma or grandpa a kiss, spread the infection to them, the grandma and grandpa never knows they are infected. The administration is planning on widespread whats called zero surveillance. Checking people to see if they previously had been exposed to the coronavirus. If you have that, i am now immune. I never knew i was infected. Im immune laura senator, heres the problem. We do not know how long immunity lasts. It could last a few weeks, two years. We dont really have the information yet, correct . The Scientific Community is clearly anticipating that the immunity is going to last at least until a vaccine has developed. Evidence from other coronavirus is and kind of the operating principle behind people coming up with antibodies that provide immunity, at least for several months. So we dont know for sure. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that immunity is going to last for a while. Laura heres my concern. If you only have 10 of the country, 15 of the country who have already developed an immunity to this, thats not enough to get this economy back. I mean, you have to have a process for getting people who are young, with no Underlying Health conditions that can get into that economy and get back to work, and again until we get a better handle on things, keep your distance from people that separation of however many feet we need so that the elderly and the other Vulnerable People arent hurt and all of this. Weve got to figure out a way to get people back to work that cant be just the people who have immunity. Thats not enough people, senator. Laura, you just put it perfectly. Children classically spread disease among each other and give it to the old people, people like me. If you have folks back in school, they will become immune, the children are, as long as you are periodically monitoring when they become immune, then you can free the children to have normal interaction they would have at their grandparents. You Start Building up that herd immunity just by allowing younger people to resume their lives, but do serial testing to protect the older people that need to know who is immune. Laura this is fascinating. We cant wait to see where this goes and we certainly hope for. And coming up, some states are flattening that curve faster than the experts predicted. Well, my medicine cabinet has some answers. Plus, the mayo clinic invgettinl treatment for the virus. We will go straight to them for all the details. You dont want to miss this. Stay there. A woman last night, i watched her on one of the shows, good a woman last night. I watched her on one of the shows, laura, she thought she was dead. She was a representative from michigan. She was just in horrible shape for 12 days, 14 days. She saw me talking about this. She asked her husband to go to the drugstore. He got it, give it to her. You know, doesnt work like this anymore. Four hours later, she awoke and she said i feel better. Then shortly thereafter, she felt great. Laura that was President Trump talking about the democrat state rep from michigan we had on last night who credits hydroxychloroquine and the president was saving her life. Said the drug eliminated her covid systems in a few hours. I suppose those doctors on cnn and msnbc, calling that anecdotal evidence. Joining me now is my medical cabinet dr. Steven smith for Infectious Diseases and dr. Smith, great to see you. I know youve been busy today, all your doctors have been busy treating covid patients. How much anecdotal evidence will it take to convince the naysayers . I was talking about this with another physician. We would say that this is proof that the drug works because its a collection of pretty similar anecdotal sources, and patient responds really in both categories. In which case its anecdotal. I dont know, i dont get it. I dont know the difference in how they treat hydrox