From Stanford University. One student is standing up to them. Laura will betw here with that interview. But first, the left is trying to turn the tables and flame conservatives, you guys, for perpetuating the cancel culture. Newsweek is now claiming that conservatives are weaponizing it to tame antiliberal t antitrup celebrities, as though they needed to be tamed. And of course, some of the i antitrump celebrities being exposed as hypocrites are hyping this claim. Alyssa milano is an example,e, retweeted the article, but was of course immediately marked for doing so. O. Joining me now is mark hemingway, Senior Writer at real clear investigations, and sara carter, Fox News Contributor and host of the sara carter show podcast. Welcome to both of you, great to see you. Great to see you, too. Tammy mark, look, what is fascinating here, a tactic to accuse others of what you are doing. They really cant be serious, can they . Are conservatives in some way, are we pushing the cancel culture on everyone at this point . Th i mean, this is absurd. For the hard left to complain about conservatives here, thisil is like dr. Frankenstein saying who put this big ugly monster in my laboratory . Its ridiculous. They created this mess, and if they want out, they have to embrace free speech and tolerance like the rest of us. Tammy what seems to me, sara, when they began to try to retreat a little bit in this way, limning others, it might indicate they realize something has gone too far. Could the jimmy kimmel situation in other situations now be making them realize that they are not going to be immune from this . I dont know. I hope so. I hope that, tammy, but i have a feeling that they want to continue to pursue and push forward they dont care if they victimize others in their group. Some of them feel that they will never be caught, they think they are above reproach, right . They believe it only goes one way, so i dont thinkou they mid eating their own as long as they get what they want in the end. I do think that some of them have regretted it, like jimmy kimmel and others, and theyre probably sitting back wondering what is going on. I can tell you at the rest of america, when im out here in utah and when i travel to otherh places throughout the country and i talked to people, they just wonder whats going on . They say its not like that here in our communities in the midwest and small towns. We are not operating this way. They see what is happening with cancel culture and whats happening with their childrens and what has happening in the major cities and they arere worried. Tammy perhaps they should be, because marked, a lot of this, especially as covered by media, the target is the subject of that matters, but really, the larger messages to everyone else, that if weis can get rid f this person, imagine what we can do to you, very much, mark, its much like a kind of cultic training about making people afraid, speaking up or speaking their minds or saying nothing because they dont know what to say. Thats exactly right, its very much about intimidation, not only about intimidation, youre right, what they are trying to do is there trying to, like, make you afraid to the point where you just break and go along with what they are doing. And we cant let that happen. I do think that there is some encouraging signs. I have seen people who are, you know, out and out liberals but still care about free speech and understand the dangers here, not going to go along with something essentially cultural marxism. And we need to, you know, find common cause with the right people and push back against this hard, because they are making up the rules as they go along, and in those kind of conditions, like sara said, they are not afraid to eat k their o. Nobody is going to survive in that environment. The mob will come for everyone sooner or later. Tammy at some point, they might come for us with masks in their hands, because i want you bring up some thing else here for us. Here is how joe bidene wants to use federal power if he were to everr become president. Listen to this. I would insist that everybody in public be wearing that mask, anyone to reopen would have to make sure that they walk into a business that hadou masks. Would you use federal leverage to mandate that, though . Yes. Would you . From an executive standpoint, yes. You would, in effect, mandate the wearing of masks . I would do Everything Possible to make it required that people had to wear masks in public. Tammy wow. Mark, is this im not a lawyer, you guys arent lawyers, but when we at least from our experience as journalists, as investigators, as commentators,w in life, it seems a little odd that someone as president could mandate you having to wear something. What are your thoughts on this . Well, i mean, in the middle of a situation like a pandemic, the federal government obviously has broad latitude to do a lot c of things they wouldnt normally be able to do, but this is very much a gray area. We would be redundant with a lot of existing laws ate the mask state level, mask requirements of the state level, and it would bere very, very hard to enforce. Im not sure it should be a priority for the federal government. But further, if people arent wearing their masks and i think they should wear this tammy sure. If they are not doing that, people in the federal government need to ask themselves why . Because the federal government and Public Health officials, you know, sacrifice a lot of institutional credibility over the last couple of months tammy let me get sara into this, as well. This is now part of it, as well. Were looking at a growing illegitimacy of some sense, and americans are a different breed of people, if you will, and we need to be able to take the government seriously. Sara, do you think that is something americans will ever accept . No, this is the United States of america, and all of the federal government has a wide latitude, its up to theakrn individual state, every state, unfortunately,nd affected by covid19, has dealt with this in their own way, in the best way possible. Some states have done better than other states, but it is not up to the federal government to babysit americans. Americans are smart. Americans take responsibility for their actions, and if they dont, then, of course, a price pay for that. We have liberty and freedom here. Tammy thank you, sara. That is why we are a republic. Both of you, thank you very much for joining me tonight. I appreciate it. Mark and sara, have a good night. And malcolm a federal today smashing back at andrew cuomo and bill de blasio im glad somebody is, a ruling that new york was wrong to limit Worship Services during the pandemic. The ruling stated Governor Cuomo and mayor de blasio could have easily discourage protests instead of encouraging what they knew was a flagrant disregard of the outdoor limitsor and social distancing rules, but by acting as they did, Governor Cuomo and mayor de blasio sent a clear message that mass protests are deserving of preferential treatment. Joining me now is maria montserrat alvarado, Vice President and executive director of the becket fund for religious liberty come a great group that does great work. Maria, this is very important, because we all saw the hypocrisy unfolding, but why did this case succeed in other cases against restrictions on religious gatherings in particular failed . You know, that is a really great question. At this moment, the facts have c changed, the fact on the ground are different. T you have protesters outside, and government officials who are participating in protests that looked quite similar to protest that of people kneeling in moments of silence, praying together, processions on the street and mayor de blasio made it clear he was against when he deliberately went after the jewish community, targeting them in very antisemitic ways, and making choices, he is choosing to favor the protesters and not support the religious freedom of this community. Tammy with Interest Income too, a very good point, because what we see in the demonstrations, even sometimes the riots, this kind of tone and attitude, you know, of gathering, of sermons, encouragement, of acting as a group, and yet, of course, it seems to many people that because it served the liberal narrative, if you will, and some argue that the presumption is if you are a person of faith that you perhaps were not following the liberal narrative, that people were being restricted more if they were seen to be either conservative or were tending to be conservative. Do you agree with that at all . Is very political sensibility to the nature of the choices here . The government doesnt get to pick winners and losers when it comes to free speech. The streets are open for, saying it is okay for protests, closed for a Jewish Funeral Services and playgrounds, is against the law. Tammy you know, it is, and listen to this. When we think about the attitudes against, the problem with people gathering, condemning of it if it came to religious services, or even going to the beach, but listen to these democratic lawmakers when it came to the demonstrations. Im proud of new york, and im proud of the protests, and i think its part of a tradition of new york. The protesters are basically right. It is about a deep, deep american crisis. Im sorry, that is not the same question as a devout religious person who wants to go back to services. Tammy you have to wonder, its like, what would draw him to that conclusion, maria . Do you have an idea . You know, when the protest happened, the masks came off, there was no longer trying to keepde Mass Gatherings from happening, just like you said, that look like Worship Services, the government sidebyside. The government was definitely making a statement and they were making very specific statements about the kind of things they want to support and the kind of activities they want to support, those are political statements, real statements, and against the first amendment. Tammy maria a double standard. Tammy i want to thank you on the becket fund because these are things that seem obvious to all of us, but they are can be no change unless Something Like this moved through a court, and we get a judgment like this. It judges cant do it on their a own. T the becket fund does this work, you do this work, and i appreciate it. I know everyone does. Maria, thank you for joining us tonight. Thank you for having me. Tammy my pleasure. E. Now, President Trump signed an executive order today to cracksi down on the desecration of public statues and monuments. The order also withhold federal funding, and this is new, from states and localities that fail to protect monuments from anarchists seeking to destroy them. Here to tell us more is ken cuccinelli, the acting dhs deputy secretary. Ken,n welcome aboard, thank you for joining me tonight. I appreciate it. He my pleasure. Tammy a lot of us were calling and waiting for the president , the federal government to do more, as we were all watching the chaos unfold in a variety of different cities, mostly blue cities, with leadership that encouraged them, or at least supported them. So this is good news, it does seem to go pastas just prison time, deal with a federal statute, but encourage local governments from doing something. What else should we need to know about this order today . Well, i think you touched on one of the unique things that i think surprise some people is going beyond just protecting the statues and federal property, oa which there are hundreds across the country, and thats something that the president has urged federal Law Enforcement to do. Whether it is washington, d. C. , or cities around the country, you seem federal reinforcements playing a role, whether its surveillance they are sharing with state and local Law Enforcement, or whether they are taking the responsibility on themselves. So, when you go beyond that to some of thee federal dollars at stake, you obviously bring a whole new side of this into play, and i can tell you is a former state legislator, if you want to get state legislators and governors attention, talk yo them about their pocketbooks. And when they are busy not enforcing the law, thats something that is legitimate to bring into play, and President Trump has put it firmly on the table. Tammy well, that is good news. It is a start, isnt it . Because what i hear from my radio listeners, viewers of fox, people just everywhere, is there concerned regarding the mayhem. And that you have the police watching, because either they have orders to stamp down, or there are other dynamics happening, and we know that this will probably be pushed back against in court, but when it comes to watching this chaos, what else, if anything, could the federal government do . We know there are limits. We are not children, we understand this. But we also see anarchy. We expectfe the federal governmt to go in and stop at some point. Is there any way that that can be engaged so that we just dont see this unfolding throughout the country for the next hundred and 30 days and beyond . Well, in fact, that has been engaged in around the country, whether washington, d. C. , or a new mexico, or in portland, we can go around the country, and i can rattle off places where federal forces have been employed to deal with local violence, not to peaceful protest and violence, and thats still going on. N the president still has us leaning forward doing bad. You dont hear a lot of that tammy have there beent arrests . How many arrests have there been . We know they are televised events, felonies are occurring there are. Yes, there have been arrests. Tammy how many . There have been arrests, but i dont actually know the total number, but it is an enormous number, and i will tell you, there are a large number of federal investigations going on right now, following up on the violence youve seen, the destruction youve seen. Those are things that are ongoing tammy sir, we dhs are involved in the investigation. Tammy we appreciate investigations. I believe attorney general barr has a new committee he has formed of the agencies to look at this. But the american people, for generations, have listened to panels and investigations, its always going on. This is in the immediacy, every day, in our lives, thank goodness its not national, in every city, but its in cities you must know, and i know the president knows, and i trust his judgment we all know its unique. We know this is unprecedented. But we do expect action beyond the releasing of a flyer or the putting together of a committee. I think you can understand that. Well, frankly, arrests and investigations are what the federal government does as a lead up to prosecution. They dont happen at the snap of a finger. We have to build the cases and we have to bring them to reports tammy of course. And win cases. Thats all being built, thats all being done all over the country. Tammy we would love to see the numbers of the arrests, people who have been arrested pulling on statues, defacing public property, setting things on fire, i would love to do u will check with your office, that would be great. Ill get those numbers, and we can let everybody know that you guys have been active. That would be fabulous. Well, thank you, sir. We would be glad to do that. Tammy i appreciate that. We are going to keep pushing hard for law and order. Tammy thats what we need. Thank you, sir, i appreciate you joining me tonight. Speaking of anarchists, dripping down statues, heres what congressman jerry nadler said about provisions in the g. O. P. s Police Reform bill to go after antifa. Their amendments, given you about half of them listed here, or errant nonsense, offtopic, dealing with imaginary things like antifa. Tammy wow, so there you go. My next guest is a former member of that imaginary thing. He looks like a real guy to me. Uya former antifa member. He says ignoring the group like what nadler is doing only allows the threat they pose to this country, obviously, to multiply. Gabriel nadales joins us now. Gabriel, thank you for coming on. I appreciate it. You do look like a real person, certainly not imaginary. I come from that side of politics. A community organizer, and i know when the effort is to pretend that something doesnt exist, it so we wont deal with it. What you think will happen with this kind of attitude . Is this a message to antifa that they are supported, or how will they respond to this . Well, lets look at what representative nadler is saying. He is saying this is imaginary, thats just false. I mean, the only thing thats imaginary here is representative nadlers sense of justice. I mean, the protests i attended, they werent imaginary. Also, the windows that i regrettably broke, they werent imaginary, yet every single time we had leftwing politicians like representative nadlerey denying and ignoring to justify antifa violence is only going to continue to grow. Tammy this is, i think, why we see all this chaos growing, because it hasnt been any reaction, in and of itself its as though none of this is happening, and Law Enforcement, leadership is not condemning it. Its like a green light. You were a member, i was a member of the organizations, i also regret. One of the great things about america as we get enough information to where we can change our minds about who we arent what we are doing. Is that what happened with you when it comes to the choice to be part of that coming out to be condemning it . Yeah, before i joined whats called antifa, i was already indoctrinated by a lot of my teachers, as well as spanish media, and i was precondition to believe that america was my enemy, not because america rejected me, but because i kept being told that i was a victim. Thankfully, i started asking questionsli about this movement, and really just like you said, i got the information that i needed, and i realized that being part of antifa is something i should never have been part of, and now im glad im condemning it. One thing to remember is where is antifa really coming from . Because mr. Nadler thinks its imaginary, well, its coming oftentimes from college campuses. Tammy sure. There is a professor out there who wrote a book called antifa, and so many othere professors promote this type of violence. Tammy gabriel, we all kind of living on campus now and we ignored it, now its moving to the mainstream element of the nation, but leadership in washington to say it doesnt even exist shows you i think also that they are worried if it is exposed, so i want to thank you, gabriel, for joining me tonight. Thank you for your insight, i appreciate it.