Wall street journal comes as to Bipartisan Senate bills for the president on notice that any move to fire the special counsel will be met with a fight. Carolyn senator Lindsey Graham is coauthor of one of those bills and he joins me now from washington. Welcome senator. Is thank you. You are the newcomer Robert Muller and paneling grand jury replaces the criminal probe now if youre not just a counterintelligence program. Have you seen so far as he watches on both, any crimes it has been committed . No, not yet. Im not either. The president is right of the russian probe theres no evidence suggesting that he wear the team colluded yet but they did interfere an election. Is not a hoax it is real. Well see if there is any collusion or any other misconduct. Are right now you follow the story the last couple of weeks the president s anger directed at the attorney general, Jeff Sessions. Because he recused himself from the russia probe. Has that now dissipated . And even going to meet with the president s repute has enough calmed down a bit and what sessions stay in the job . I think so. I think a lot of us rallied because he had no choice but you cannot investigate something you are a part of. You are a principal in a campaign, it is in an investigation you have to be to disappear jeff had veno other choice. In december, nobody realized that they had the investigation so do the right thing. We all rallied to his son. Think the president is going to keep him where he is at, he is a good attorney general, excellent attorney general. All right now, one of the concern is that the president did dismiss Jeff Sessions he would then go on to hire somebody or appoint somebody who would fire Robert Mueller. What would happen in your view if the president fired Robert Mueller . If it is without cause and it would be holy hell would break out i have said that about jeff. I can only imagine how the country would react if Robert Mueller were fired. Just because the president did not like the investigation. If you show me a reason that he should be five this onus will be appointed in his place. So my legislation is simple. If Robert Mueller is fired, you have a threejudge panel to review the firing and see if it meets the criteria of the department of justice regulations. And no indication that the president will fire Robert Mueller good his lawyer said today, recently that they want to get this over with as quickly as possible. Theyre going to cooperate with the investigation. So he has the right attitude about how to deal with Robert Mueller i think. All right now, some people avoid by your legislation and in fact if you get judges interjecting themselves into a president ial decision about what, who is a subordinate . And prosecutorial power in the Justice Department reports up to the ag through to the president peer that is executive, that is the president ial power under the constitution. Does that bother you . That is a really good question. My approach is a bit different. Senator tillis and coons having a person says the judges can reinstate a fired special counsel. I think that is an executive decision. My legislation says that judges can review based on existing regulations and law whether or not it was proper. I think that is the right checking balance. The review would be that they can comment but not reinstate. Is that the difference . They cannot reinstate. They can make a decision that it did not meet the criteria of dismissal. Then the political system would take over after that. Essentially that would be a political check and balance . Lets talk about the healthcare bill. You are trying to do a hail mary here on healthcare after the failure. I know you came to talk about this. I went and worked the phones a little bit and i heard talk to some of your lot colleagues and have to say senator, there is not much appetite to go back to this on the leadership. A finding every currency or any pickup for your legislation . I think we are dumber than dirt if we do not try again. If you think that you can go home as a republican, say we give it our best shot, you have not the approach is not even been tried. The bottom line here is that the republican governors are getting very excited about having a block grant sent back to them to replace obamacare. Get money and power under washington. We have the september 30, we met with parliament. I am excited will have more possibility under the block grant. So the governors come out for the block kgrant, then i think the president will follow in line. He does not want to quit. Satan cannot tell the Republican Base for the country at large, that we have taken our best shot at replacing obamacare because we have not. You have until september 30 for the reconciliation process and you have the ability before that the to pass something with 50 votes. That means 50 votes. But what about your friend john mccain . He is one that had the decisive vote in the last when will he be on board for this . The governor is in charge of the formula for state senator, obamacare did 40 percent of the money. There 20 percent of the population. Arizona does very well under the block grant. Theyre working on the formula, scott walker has been intellectual here to get the governors on board. I think john would be very open minded to a block grant. Lets put it to the Committee Process and bring it to the floor. You can do this in a matter of days. So if the republican governors come out in force for a block and approach to replacing obamacare, the president gets behind the governors, we are back into the ballgame and i think john mccain would be open to a new policy with a new process. And i think when we get 50 votes i think well get more than 50 votes. West virginia gets 43 percent increase under my block grant approach. You have the governors switch parties. Joe manchin iii is a fine fellow. I think you will go long with the idea of getting West Virginia more money and more power. Thank you senator graham. We will follow and see how this goes. When they come back, john kelly sending ara message in his firs week as white house chief of staff. Ken retired marine general impose order in a chaotic west wing . B and well get you back on the road [dog barks] safelite repair, safelite replace. Its about moving forward, not back. T. Its looking up, not down. Its being in motion. In body, in spirit, in the now. Boost® high protein its intelligent nutrition with 15 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. For when you need a little extra. Boost® the number one high protein complete nutritional drink. Be up for it i enjoy the fresher things in life. O. Fresh towels. Fresh soaps. And of course, tripadvisors freshest, lowest. Prices. So if youre anything like me. Youll want to check tripadvisor. We now instantly compare prices. 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We have a wall street economist with the stan heninger and colonists kim, you been a rking your sources in cabinet and in the white house. What kind of a difference so far is kelly making clay. Is making a difference. This is what he did that was right from the beginning. He established what every good white house chief of staff needs which is some respect and some deference from everyone there by firing Anthony Scaramucci he sent the message that the president has confidence in him and he had control. What he is doing now is starting to act as a gatekeeper for orthe president. Close the oval office door. No more drop ins. He also working on, i know it is crazy but also, he is working and this is not the most good not just image of the president is receiving better policy debates but better information. So that he can go out and be on to make better arguments. I even heard that steve bannon bothered to show on monday since the white house a was often at war with reince priebus, he showed up the white house staff meeting on monday when he often did not usually show for reince priebus. I was a steve bannon is a survivor. He knows what he will do to stay there. Whether he has direct access to the president. We shall see. The idea that the door will be shut on donald trump is almost an oxymoron. Donald trump said that kelly will be one of the best chiefs of staff ever. That is what he said about everything. There is a definition of leopard that is a presidency that succeeds. That succeeds in his policy goals and failed on healthcare. In general kelly has run the big organizations. He headed the marines in iraq, he ran this on a command of the United States marines. So he knows how to run an organization effectively and achieve a goal. And that is what the white house needs right now. Kind of a consistency that stays on target, there is too much friendly fire in this white house because they are hitting each other everyday. That is a sort of thing he will try to put an end to. Butler kelly has been at the top of the organizations, when youre the commander youre number one. He set the tone. Now he is in a staff job and you know who is number one. The guy that doesnt like to be managed. [laughter] so i mean a lot of this, if he is successful will be determined whether donald trump listens to him. Exactly. I think that dan is right and that you know general kelly was brought in because he is, he epitomizes discipline. And that is what the white house needs. But if you have the president still tweeting, still going off message you know, still running his own messages in his off hours that will make it extremely hard for general kelly to run the discipline organization that gohe has in mind. So a lot is going to depend on trump. The other thing im a little word with kelly is, we do not know what his own policy ideas are. We do not know what his politics. And he will be directing this into the policymaking team in the white ahouse. You know for example on immigration. Initially, people thought that he was going to be quite flexible with immigrants who are coming here from basically war zones in central america. But that is not what he has been doing as head of homeland security. He has been much more hardline. Kyou worked in this and you know there is a policy process. Could be immigration ataxic one, you put us in the president , given a decision memo he reads it and hears people out. To make a decision that is limited. This white house, then make a decision, and then there are in many ways it was like bill Clinton White house from what i understand people people had also some back channels, different drafts of speech is going on. Look, corporate and marine household. To say to err is human, to forgive is divine. Or there is marine corps policy. General kelly nose chain of command. Especially in the west wing. You can have the lunatics wanting the assignment i think donald trump just as he gets the blame for scaramucci and the Creative Destruction he gets credibility for picking general kelly. In at least we do not know if donald trump will nstop tweeti at 4 00 a. M. I think we know he is not. But we do know it will probably be tougher r for the other people down there. The communications directed to have the public wars that they do. I just do nothing general kelly will stop that i think the policy thing is less important. The chief job is to be honest broker to make sure that people do not get hurt in the process. To let people go on and on in meetings country resolution is an incredible job. When a crisis came, bill clinton focused on it. Everyone aimed on the goal it is did with it. That is obviously the big question here whether donald trump will do that. One of the things that the New York Post has been doing is putting a cartoon called white house survivor on its cover. And putting exes through the names when they leave. Who is going to be next to go, do you think . Would think that john kelly is done changing this white house. No, but i think that it will also be a test for kelly whether he can stop some of the backstabbing and lets watch a john mcmaster, National Sister advisor. There is currently Campaign Going on by some of the white house to get rid of him. Well see how kelly. You dont think that will be a good idea, do you . Do they change another National Security advisor would be helpful . No. Word is that when sekelly came and he expressed confidence in mcmaster. So it would seem unlikely that he would be willing to have him go. All right. When we come back, the president takes in the republicans in congress urging them not to give up on repealing and replacing obamacare. But some say they are ready to move on. So will tax reform be any easier for the gop . Hey joanne, want to trade the all day relief of 2 aleve with 6 tylenol . Give up my 2 aleve for 6 tylenol . No thanks. For me. Its aleve. Iso being cool comes naturally. On car insurance, hmm. I cant decide if this place is swag or bling. Its pretzels. Word. Ladies, you know when you switch, you get my bombdiggity discounts automatically. No duh, right . [ chuckles ] sir, you forgot keep it. Youre gonna need it when i make it precipitate. What, what . What . But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. The name to remember. So it only made sense to create a network that keeps up. Introducing xfinity mobile. 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I think the mistake they made was thinking this is a business deal where you get people behind closed doors. Any dealer that work with senators trying to hash out a deal. You have to sell this to the public and this is not a popular bill. And he did not give an oval address, he know when you just go to rallies, those are your enthusiastic supporters but youre not reaching your marginal supporters. For the people that dislike you on the other side. Youre not pressuring them. It is actually worse in the bill being dead. Now they are talking about bailing out the insurers. Alexander worked with Chuck Schumer to basically shovel money at the exchanges and Insurance Companies so they do not leave the exchanges to keep them alive. So republicans failed to reform obamacare on their terms. Now they are going to have to bail out the insurers on Chuck Schumers terms. The democrats have them wherever they want them. Because having not dealt with the problem, the only thing they can do and not suffered huge political backlash as to kind of prop up what is there if they just walk away from it, theyre going to be blamed i think for i think the total collapse. All right so now i guess tax reform, the big other item on their agenda. Did this get any easier than healthcare . No it does not get any easier. They made it clear, this is the kind of question where congress can do big legislation like this anymore. Healthcare experience was revealing. It was something i shouldve gotten done but the parochialism of the senators endocrine caucus in the house suggest that there is something going on in congress that just doesnt allow them to get the Republican Congress to get the goal line. I think that is right. I think the point is crucial because the republicans have not shown in my experience that they have been able to govern as