Midterms. Dan henninger and mary ogrady and bill mcgurn, lets ask. Looks like the president s gearing up to make this a big Midterm Election issue, immigration. Thats pretty clear, paul. Hes making an issue that he campaigned on, the wall and influx of migrants and immigrants from mexico. I have to wonder a little bit, paul, whether its a political issue is one thing. The other question is whether it is a substantive problem on the border. The dreamers, the people connected to the daca issue, they came here in the 1980s and 1990s when there was an enormous surge of migrants from mexico. The surge has stopped, in no small part because mexicos birth rate has dropped to about 2. 5, like ours is 2. 1 per child bearing woman. There arent as many of them that are going to come as there were before. The dreamers, i expect hes going to blame that on the democrats. The democrats in turn will say President Trump has made a conscious decision to strand these people who are here under no fault of their own. Paul to dans point, the Border Apprehensions have been falling dramatically. They were way down last year. Theyve been up a little bit in march and february, i think you and i would probably agree probably because of the attractions of growth here in the United States. But what about the caravan, the caravan that was heading from Central America, thats the excuse the president made, the reason he made for sending the National Guard. I agree with dan. I think this is mostly a campaign issue. Hes getting ready for the next round. First of all, sending the National Guard is fine, but president bush did that, president obama did that, he initially said he was going to send the military. I think he realized hes not allowed to do that. But you also have to keep in mind that the most important thing he did was name more judges or say that hes going to put more judges there. Paul there is a huge backlog. When a lot of these people come across the border, they actually give themselves up. They give themselves up because they think they have a claim to asylum because theyre fleeing violence in Central America because of the gangs and rule of law problem that Central America has not been able to solve and the u. S. Has not managed to help them solve. The judges will allow them to process these people. The big complaint has been they get arrested and theyre told they have a hearing later and sometimes they dont show up. Paul the actual caravan vanished in mexico. It broke apart, right . It was sort of an urban legend. What was going on is every year right around this time theres this protest march, asking mexico to pay more attention to this problem, from people fleeing the violence in Central America. They march up to mexico city. Thats what they were doing. Some of them carry on to the u. S. Border. But many of them didnt have the plan to come to the u. S. In the first place. Paul do you think its smart for the president to give up on a daca deal this year . No. I think thats a big point. Look, if i step back a little, i think this is a proxy fight. There are some on the left that dont want any border, dont want anyone to come in at any time and they make all sort of excuses. Paul they want people to come in. They dont want there dont want any kind of rule or any kind of compromise. I think there are some in President Trumps camp who dont want any more Legal Immigration either. Theres a lot of that. In the middle is the possibility of a deal, the border wall trump wanted for daca paul funding for that. I think he made a political mistake. I dont have a problem with sending the National Guard to the border. When he offered the path to citizenship to these people here in exchange for some security, that finally was showing the democrat as not cooperating. Hes absolutely right on that that they dont want a deal. When he says no more deal, hes gets the fallout that should be going to them. So i think its a mistake. I think he should actually make a smaller deal on daca for his Border Security wall, just a straightup just make it clear that hes willing to trade something. Were not going to get the answer to the border isnt the National Guard or whatever. Its a regular immigration system that gives us a border like canada. Paul dan, we had a visit from eric paulson, the republican congressman from minneapolis in a district that donald trump lost by 10 points. And hes going to have a tough reelection. He told us he thought a daca deal would be great for him. He thought it would show we accomplished something, we solved a problem that democrats couldnt solve. The failure on daca may not help him. Thats right. I mean, most polls show that most americans are relatively similar pathetic certainly to the daca kids, the dreamers. Certainly they want the immigration problem somehow solved. Weve been arguing about this for at least 25 years. We will argue about it for another 25 years. As bill suggested, were in a light labor market right now. If we have Migrant Workers they need to be given work visas so they could come in, do their work, finish the jobs, go back where they came from and come back on visas when their work is over. As it is now, if they go back, they can never come back to the jobs so they sneak into the country. Most voters want that system stopped and rationalized. Paul President Trump pushing for a quick withdrawal of american troops from syria, ideally within the next six months. Does that give the u. S. Military the time it needs to complete its mission . Well ask senator Lindsey Graham next. 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A few people live very large in russia at the expense of others and hitting putins inner circle, making sure they cant take their ill gotten gain and buy houses and yachts is the first step. Paul would you recommend sanctions against putin himself . Absolutely. Paul you would sanction him personally . The british say they believe that the attempted assassination inside of britain of a former russian spy, british citizen, was orchestrated by putin. Our Intelligence Community believes putin approved of the hacking into the 2016 election. Intelligence Community Tells us hes up to it again. Nothing happens in russia of any consequence without him knowing it. Thats the upside of being a dictator. You know about everything. But heres what i would do even bolder. I would take all the customers that russia sells oil and gas to, all the major customers, and see if i could provide oil and gas to some alternative to russia. That would begin to cripple their economy. Paul we are increasing oil and gas exports. Lets turn to syria. You heard the president this week saying i want to get out, quote, unquote, thats a very direct signal. He has backed off from that immediately at the request of his advisors. On the other hand, everybody in the middle east heard what he said about i want to get out. Is that a smart strategy . I dont know if the damage is done to the point it cant be reversed. I hope not. The president really chided obama, president obama, for setting a timetable on when he was going to end military operations. We all lampooned obama because its a pretty dumb idea. So a general told me the hard part with isis is yet to come, its not just defeating them on the battlefield. You have to hold the territory. If we say six months from now were leaving syria, isis will come back with a vengeance and nobody would be happier with that decision than the iranians. Paul because what happens if we do decide weve cleaned up isis, you declare victory, you come home and say shar syria is somebody elses problem. What happens then . It changes everything President Trump said. He stood up in the arab world. He said they should do more in syria and other places. But i stand with you against two threats, against iranian expansion and i stand with you against radical suni islam, opposite of what obama did. Obama was seen as being more concerned about iran than the mideast. If we pull out of syria, it undercuts everything he told the arabs. Syria in short order becomes a safe haven for hezbollah. Iran and russia will dominate syria. Its a nightmare for israel. Isis will come back and there will be new attacks launched against western interests from syria and north korea will look at trump and say this guys all talk. Paul i guess the response to that would be, you know what, thats sort of a worst case scenario. But look, its other peoples responsibility to take care of that. Israel can take care of itself. The saudis should ante up. Why dont the french and germans and other people take care of the refugee problems. Thats not what i believe in. Thats the response you get from a lot of people. Heres what i tell those folks, who takes care of america . Are the israelis, the french and germans going to defend american interest. That argument falls apart if you believe isis is a threat to the United States. It falls apart if you believe iranian expansion in the middle east is hurtful t to our allies and hurtful to the United States. If you believe isis is of no concern, that the attacks that happened in paris cant happen in the United States, then leave. I cant think of a mid eastern country that i would outsource our National Security to. Building a border wall makes sense to me to deal with the threats coming from south of the border. What will we do to deal with mideast threats . Outsource them to other countries . I think we need a deployed force of americans to protect the homeland. Paul is that a recipe for a longterm deployment that costs anen for muse amount of money enormous amount of money and more troops than we have on the ground there and can we a afford that type of commitment. The last time we ignored the threats in the region was afghanistan. How much did it cost us from the 9 11 attacks . Heres what i think. I think you can take less than the number of troops we have in south korea, 28,000, put them in iraq, syria and afghanistan, less than 28,000 troops and keep the homeland protected. The only thing i can tell you, if you leave syria now, isis will come back like they did when we left iraq. How much money has the world spent, the United States spent due to the withdrawal from iraq . So if youre looking at this from dollars and cents, its going to cost 1,000 times more to leave and let isis come back than it will to hold the territory once we destroy them. Paul all right. Im sure youve made this argument to President Trump. We will follow this debate as it goes. Thank you, senator. Appreciate it. Thank you. Paul when we come back, beijing responds to the Trump Administrations tariffs targeting top u. S. Exports. So could trump voters bear the brunt of chinas trade retaliation . We intend to get along with china but we have to do something very substantial about the trade deficit and with that, nothing is easy. Tech at Safelite Autoglass we know that when youre spending time with the grandkids every minute counts. And you dont have time for a cracked windshield. Thats why we show you exactly when well be there. Saving you time, so you can keep saving the world. Kids safelite repair, safelite replace booking a flight doesnt have to be expensive. 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Were back with Dan Henninger mary ogrady and James Freeman. Mary, we cant lose. Yeah, well, actually that goes right to the heart of my problem with the donald trump trade policy. That is that hes putting all this emphasis on the trade deficit and he keeps insisting that unless we get rid of the trade deficit were somehow harmed. The fact of the matter is we have a trade deficit and we will have a trade deficit as long as we are richer than china and the only way were going to get rid of that deficit is if you im pomakeit so American People cany all these things. Paul what about the argument and you hear it from a lot of people, larry kudlow advising the president this is not a trade war, this is a negotiating policy which will help china change their policies. Do you agree with this. This is the fifth trade policy weve had. Theyve all failed. Paul he would say south korea worked out just fine. We have a new deal with south korea. We raised tariffs on importing pickup trucks. We raised taxes on u. S. Consumers. The problem with President Trump is he doesnt understand the benefits of trade liberalization go to the bi liberalizer. If we are an open economy, we do better than the rest of the world. And he insists that there has to be this something for something and thats a manageable trade policy if you want to make americans better off. Paul the markets are down, no question, not a lot but theyre down some since the trade advance, trade poll say forays by t