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First, tell us about your personal experience january 6 when you spoke obviously before the crowds arrived occupied the capital. Where did you write out . Thanks for having me. It was an unbelievable day. I remember working at my desk on my remarks because i was planning to oppose the effort to deny the electoral states of pennsylvania certainly had perhaps one of the state. While i was going through drafts of my remarks in between drafts, i have the president rally on tv. I was increasingly horrified at the things he was saying but never imagined wed end up where we were. Then an hour, couple hours later, there we are on the senate floor and we are processing the objection to the arizona electorate. I gave my talk about why i thought this was a bad idea. Then i think it was while senator James Lankford was speaking that things started to get a little strange. We saw secret service come in and whisk mike pence out of the presiding officers chair but at first, that didnt strike me as alarming because we expected he might not want to preside over the entire debate so i kind of expected at some time hed duck out and Chuck Grassley would, senator grassley from iowa would take his place and thats what happened initially but started to become clear that something wasnt right. Somewhere along this, i think it might have been, i think it was before senator langford began to speak, senator romney saw on his iphone that protesters have gotten into the capital but that was all. I could have met two guys in the capital, we didnt immediately understand that was a significant threat. Paul amazing experience. Just addressing the president s objections, do think the pennsylvania election was settled fair and square. Whats your case . Pat where to begin . This has been evaluated many different ways. Most important, my courts, courts i have confidence in and i think we should all. The middle district of pennsylvania senator heard the campaigns case and threw them out for complete lack of evidence. One of the problems is the Campaign Officials go on tv and make all kinds of shocking allegations of fraud. Then they go to a courtroom where there are consequences for lying to a judge. They dont make those allegations anymore. Its because they have no evidence to back this up. One of the many tragedies of this is that people have been told lies, things that are not true about these elections. Theyve been examined, good decent people did their job. The campaign had a chance to go to court. By the way, after the conservative republican in the District Court said theres no evidence, they appealed to the Circuit Court of appeals and drew a threejudge panel which was three republicans including one appointed by donald trump and they completely agreed with the trial court judge. These charges have been adjudicated, litigated and found completely lacking in evidence. Paul where you, what you make now, obviously we have had the fallout from this and now there are calls in the senate and house by democrats to remove the president immediately 11 days to pat i dont know the answer, i have to say i do think the president s behavior this week doesnt disqualify him from serving but weve got ten days, 11 days left. Hes not going to be serving after that time. Well have a new president. I dont know whether logistically it even possible or practical and im not sure its desirable to attempt to force him out a day or two or three prior to the date on which he will be finished anyway. Im not clear thats the best path forward. Paul i guess if the house pushes for Impeachment Vote this coming week, that puts the ball in the senate hands and if the democrats force a vote because theyll be in control, i assume, then you have to vote, correct . Pat what i dont know is what kind of procedural opportunities we are required to give the president of the defense for instance. As you recall, he had a whole team of lawyers who came in during the last impeachment and they had a whole case to make. Are we required to do that . Is that something we did in the last time but not required . Theres not a lot of precedent for this. Some of the procedural things, i dont know the answer because weve never been here before. Paul you dont want to declare until you see. Pat i dont know what they are going to send over one of the things i am concerned about is whether the house would complete politicize something. I do think the president committed an Impeachable Offenses but i dont know whats going to land on the senate floor, is anything. Paul well have more with senator toomey later in the show but first, lawmakers call the President Trump removal, democrats are set to increase articles of impeachment monday. With just 11 days left of the president s term, is that the right decision . Our panel debate, next. Democrats introducing one article of impeachment monday against President Trump charging him with willfully inciting violence against the government of the United States. Historic attempt to remove the president from office for a second time with a mere 11 days left in his term. Lets bring in our panel. Deputy editorial page editor, dan henninger. Columnist kim strassel an editorial bed board member, kyle peterson. Dan, you wrote a column, tough think the President Trumps, this week, washing away much of what President Trump has accomplished. Explain that and tell us whether you think what he did this week is impeachable. Dan i think hes got a significant legacy in terms of the economy, what happened in the middle east, something president s have been trying for a generation. I think what happened this week will overwhelm much of that is the opposition to try to shape no difference between Donald Trumps personality persona, these events and the substance of his politics. Having said that, i do think it will make it very difficult to have a large presence in the country going forward. I do not think he could win another president ial election will get more than 50 of the vote. Having said that, arguably what he did was an Impeachable Offense but i would emphasize arguably, he raised the question of whether its a good idea to do that at this time but the house is proceeding and the question is, is even President Trump going to get due process from the house or, as some of the reporting suggested, they would technically just rush through. As the smell of a political lynching, lynch mob rather than impeachment process. Paul kyle, seems to be two questions. Where they Impeachable Offenses . Is it good for the country to impeach at this late stage . What you think . Kyle i think senator toomey is right, theres reporting now that because of the senate rule, they may not be able to start the impeachment trial until the day before inauguration. I think its a question of whether its worth doing if you do it the day before Joe Biden Takes Office or even after but as far as impeachable question goes, id throw in that President Trump tried to engineer a constitutional crisis to retain power by pressuring mike pence to essentially unilaterally reverse the electoral college. Paul kim, i think thats an important part, it wasnt just that he said all right, lets march on the capital and what happened, happened. It that he said mike pence, lets measure mike pence to return the votes. I think by the way, the Vice President comes out as a real hero in all of this for standing up to the president and representing his constitutional duty. Kim i agree in terms of mike pences conduct. I would just say in terms of this question of pressuring him, there is actually out there, it is unclear what the boundaries are in terms of the Vice President , its not been tested in court. I think that gets to the bigger part, i believe about impeachment is that it should be held out in the rarest of occasions and circumstances where the high crime and misdemeanor is absolutely clear. It is such a drastic. Thats why we have a trial so both sides can argue their side. Im not quite sure can hold out any of this evidence beyond a doubt and thats especially adding growing gasoline on fire in terms of the anger it would provoke across the country. The fact that it may not get done in time, we got how many days left . It just doesnt make any sense whatsoever. Paul dan, the case for impeachment is less about resident trump himself, in my mind. Its whether or not you tell the message to the president that you cant do this, you cant basically challenge another independent branch of government sent people marching on the capital but thats behavior beyond. Thats what he bothering me because its a day they are counting the electoral votes to name a new president. As a constitutional question here that really bothers me is president ial behavior. I guess the counterargument would be, how much damage are we willing to allow the political system to endure right now . Is country is in heat emotionally over this. The last four years, of the democrats and hyper partisan mode prosecuting president through russian collusion and then impeachment. If Something Like the 25th amendment were invoked to remove trump from office, many of his voters would think that was effectively a coup. You have the country in a state of mind where virtually half of them are trying to simply dismiss those constitutional arguments and go into the mongers. We dont need more gasoline thrown on the fire right now. Donald trump is leaving, i think hes going to form a political exile in this country. I think your part about the constitution, the message has been sent, this is a line that cannot be crossed. Paul kyle, i think that is a good part. Why would nancy pelosi want to do this now given the fact that President Trump will be out of power within days . What are the democrats thinking . Kyle one answer is not to let it stand. Another answer might be to bar President Trump from running for reelection. Legal theories suggest the house could hold and impeachment in the senate could try President Trump after he leaves office in the punishment would be that hes no longer allowed to run in 2024. Paul he have to be convicted by the senate to do that, presumably and do think that could happen . Kim thats not going to happen but that would explain why pelosi wants to do this. She wants to put republicans on the spot. Paul i think this is great opportunity for joe biden if you want to put his leadership stamp on the country, to call this o off, this isnt the way i want to start my presidency. Well see if he does that. Still ahead, twitter bands President Trump permanently while other platforms have the potential longterm followup next. Its moving day. And while her friends are doing the heavy lifting, jess is busy moving her xfinity internet and tv services. It only takes about a minute. Wait, a minute . But what have you been doing for the last two hours . Delegating . Oh, good one. Move your Xfinity Services without breaking a sweat. Now thats simple, easy, awesome. Xfinity makes moving easy. Go online to transfer your services in about a minute. Get started today. Friday twitter announced permanently suspending President Trumps account cutting the risk of further incitement of violence after wednesdays deadly riot on capitol hill. The mainstream social media forms moved to limit presence online rate with facebook and instagram indefinitely blocking is access. Kim, is the twitter ban justified on the terms that twitter explained . Kim i dont see how it makes any sense. According to twitter apparently, because the president said he would not attend the inauguration, this was somehow code to all of his followers of the they should feel to engage in violence. I think that is quite a stretch, a simple statement of fact that he decided not to go. I dont really see how its merited. Paul i guess they intend this to extend past his presidency which is essentially. Kim in perpetuity. Paul yes, in perpetuity, extraordinary given that hes a former president and also this weve learned the competitor, competitive start to twitter would be banned by apple that says unless they better control it right along the terms that twitter does, it will not have access to the apple app, what you make of that . Kim one of the argument has always been about twitter and facebook, private companies allowed to police how they want to. If you dont like it, set up Something Else. Guess what . Someone actually did that. Now we are told big tech is saying nope, unless you center it exactly the same way twitter does and the same way facebook does, then we will disable your app and destroy your business which has already happened. So i think it brings interesting questions about these platforms and the incredible role they now play in public broadcasting in getting information out which challenges these longstanding questions about their private ownership. Paul kyle, the Business Model is to be twitter. Thats what they say, how they attract customers to the site. It not allowed to be not twitter, assault on it Business Model. I wonder if there is not an antitrust issue here from the view of what apple is doing and i know the private companies can do what they want in regards to free speech but does this trouble you at all . Kyle well, i think there is a troubling part particularly with the Trump Twitter then. I think its a little harder because some of the comments under is pretty bad. One person posted get the firing squads ready, mike pence goes first. I can understand. Paul they pulled that down. They did pull that down. Kyle i understand but i can understand why apple would not want that in its app store. The app store is a place where kids are going and downloading games. Its important to say if you have an apple phone, you can go to the website on the apple phone, they are not blocking that. Were just not going to allow that in our app store. Paul dan, what does it say, what you think of this . And what happens if a big chunk of the public arbitrarily 50 , disagrees with the band and wants to express itself in find they cant do that on these major forms, what happens to the voices . I suspect they dont go away, they go underground or other nastier sites and maybe they end up in the streets, protesting because they dont feel they have any other platform. Dan i agree with that. I think it makes complete sense. The question is, why cant the Tech Companies themselves, or even the American Press sees the logic of where this is all going and rather than trying to continue to suppress these voices, give them some space to express themselves. Look, twitter, donald trump on twitter the way he communicated with his followers was it extreme . At times. Did he like . At times. He always exaggerates everything but have you checked out the twitter sites, journalists out there working now . There is still mockery on ad hominem opponents attacks. They just took the gasoline and increased it and response ability and now we turn around and discover they will ban donald trump, people like him and try to ban sites like parlor that are set up as alternative to the status quo. Not going to hold up, it cannot stand. Paul kim, briefly, how much of this timing is of this related, not just to wednesday in the event of wednesday but democrats will soon be running all of washington, this is an attempt to appease them. Kim that is exactly what is inspiring this, i think. All the Tech Companies suddenly no they do not fear resulting senate were a trump justice department. Moreover, they think it might be to their benefit to make these moves against conservatives in a way to suck up to the new Democratic People running the shots in washington and maybe protect themselves a bit from future legislation. Paul all right, when we come back, republicans wrap up with the prospect of a 5050 Senate Following the runoff losses in georgia. Can it gained in the last four years and be preserved when democrats take control . More of my interview with pat toomey,me next. The power in the senate said to shift dramatically after democrats pick up to seek tuesday in a pair of georgia runoffs. What does a 5050 senate the Vice President Kamala Harris is a type broking vote means for elegance and policy agenda . Heres more of my interview with pat toomey from pennsylvania. Paul lets talk about the senate races that lost both of them and why do you think the republicans lost in both seats . Pat i think we lost because the races were about donald trump and not our candidates. We had a very good rationale to present to the motives, you dont want to risk the democrats who have gone to this extreme left in recent years. You dont want to give them Unlimited Power but i think that message got eclipsed we have turnout problems. Hit hard to turn out voters when you tell them the election is rigged against them anyone. Its not a great message to inspire people to go to the polls so its tragic. I think we could have one both races. Paul one of the arguments you hear on the other side including from donald trump is the real line was Mitch Mcconnell for not pushing ahead with those 2000 checks that he came out after his negotiators and settled on this. You hear on the right that is the reason. What you think of that . Pat i totally disagree with that but for as long as i have paid any attention all most of my adult life, democrats have promised more money and handouts and were hogans have said no. Republicans with the chair of elections especially in a place like georgia. The idea that we should send 2000 checks to people who have had no lost income, people who have sixfigure incomes and 2000 for every James Lankford<\/a> was speaking that things started to get a little strange. We saw secret service come in and whisk mike pence out of the presiding officers chair but at first, that didnt strike me as alarming because we expected he might not want to preside over the entire debate so i kind of expected at some time hed duck out and Chuck Grassley<\/a> would, senator grassley from iowa would take his place and thats what happened initially but started to become clear that something wasnt right. Somewhere along this, i think it might have been, i think it was before senator langford began to speak, senator romney saw on his iphone that protesters have gotten into the capital but that was all. I could have met two guys in the capital, we didnt immediately understand that was a significant threat. Paul amazing experience. Just addressing the president s objections, do think the pennsylvania election was settled fair and square. Whats your case . Pat where to begin . This has been evaluated many different ways. Most important, my courts, courts i have confidence in and i think we should all. The middle district of pennsylvania senator heard the campaigns case and threw them out for complete lack of evidence. One of the problems is the Campaign Officials<\/a> go on tv and make all kinds of shocking allegations of fraud. Then they go to a courtroom where there are consequences for lying to a judge. They dont make those allegations anymore. Its because they have no evidence to back this up. One of the many tragedies of this is that people have been told lies, things that are not true about these elections. Theyve been examined, good decent people did their job. The campaign had a chance to go to court. By the way, after the conservative republican in the District Court<\/a> said theres no evidence, they appealed to the Circuit Court<\/a> of appeals and drew a threejudge panel which was three republicans including one appointed by donald trump and they completely agreed with the trial court judge. These charges have been adjudicated, litigated and found completely lacking in evidence. Paul where you, what you make now, obviously we have had the fallout from this and now there are calls in the senate and house by democrats to remove the president immediately 11 days to pat i dont know the answer, i have to say i do think the president s behavior this week doesnt disqualify him from serving but weve got ten days, 11 days left. Hes not going to be serving after that time. Well have a new president. I dont know whether logistically it even possible or practical and im not sure its desirable to attempt to force him out a day or two or three prior to the date on which he will be finished anyway. Im not clear thats the best path forward. Paul i guess if the house pushes for Impeachment Vote<\/a> this coming week, that puts the ball in the senate hands and if the democrats force a vote because theyll be in control, i assume, then you have to vote, correct . Pat what i dont know is what kind of procedural opportunities we are required to give the president of the defense for instance. As you recall, he had a whole team of lawyers who came in during the last impeachment and they had a whole case to make. Are we required to do that . Is that something we did in the last time but not required . Theres not a lot of precedent for this. Some of the procedural things, i dont know the answer because weve never been here before. Paul you dont want to declare until you see. Pat i dont know what they are going to send over one of the things i am concerned about is whether the house would complete politicize something. I do think the president committed an Impeachable Offense<\/a>s but i dont know whats going to land on the senate floor, is anything. Paul well have more with senator toomey later in the show but first, lawmakers call the President Trump<\/a> removal, democrats are set to increase articles of impeachment monday. With just 11 days left of the president s term, is that the right decision . Our panel debate, next. Democrats introducing one article of impeachment monday against President Trump<\/a> charging him with willfully inciting violence against the government of the United States<\/a>. Historic attempt to remove the president from office for a second time with a mere 11 days left in his term. Lets bring in our panel. Deputy editorial page editor, dan henninger. Columnist kim strassel an editorial bed board member, kyle peterson. Dan, you wrote a column, tough think the President Trump<\/a>s, this week, washing away much of what President Trump<\/a> has accomplished. Explain that and tell us whether you think what he did this week is impeachable. Dan i think hes got a significant legacy in terms of the economy, what happened in the middle east, something president s have been trying for a generation. I think what happened this week will overwhelm much of that is the opposition to try to shape no difference between Donald Trumps<\/a> personality persona, these events and the substance of his politics. Having said that, i do think it will make it very difficult to have a large presence in the country going forward. I do not think he could win another president ial election will get more than 50 of the vote. Having said that, arguably what he did was an Impeachable Offense<\/a> but i would emphasize arguably, he raised the question of whether its a good idea to do that at this time but the house is proceeding and the question is, is even President Trump<\/a> going to get due process from the house or, as some of the reporting suggested, they would technically just rush through. As the smell of a political lynching, lynch mob rather than impeachment process. Paul kyle, seems to be two questions. Where they Impeachable Offense<\/a>s . Is it good for the country to impeach at this late stage . What you think . Kyle i think senator toomey is right, theres reporting now that because of the senate rule, they may not be able to start the impeachment trial until the day before inauguration. I think its a question of whether its worth doing if you do it the day before Joe Biden Takes Office<\/a> or even after but as far as impeachable question goes, id throw in that President Trump<\/a> tried to engineer a constitutional crisis to retain power by pressuring mike pence to essentially unilaterally reverse the electoral college. Paul kim, i think thats an important part, it wasnt just that he said all right, lets march on the capital and what happened, happened. It that he said mike pence, lets measure mike pence to return the votes. I think by the way, the Vice President<\/a> comes out as a real hero in all of this for standing up to the president and representing his constitutional duty. Kim i agree in terms of mike pences conduct. I would just say in terms of this question of pressuring him, there is actually out there, it is unclear what the boundaries are in terms of the Vice President<\/a> , its not been tested in court. I think that gets to the bigger part, i believe about impeachment is that it should be held out in the rarest of occasions and circumstances where the high crime and misdemeanor is absolutely clear. It is such a drastic. Thats why we have a trial so both sides can argue their side. Im not quite sure can hold out any of this evidence beyond a doubt and thats especially adding growing gasoline on fire in terms of the anger it would provoke across the country. The fact that it may not get done in time, we got how many days left . It just doesnt make any sense whatsoever. Paul dan, the case for impeachment is less about resident trump himself, in my mind. Its whether or not you tell the message to the president that you cant do this, you cant basically challenge another independent branch of government sent people marching on the capital but thats behavior beyond. Thats what he bothering me because its a day they are counting the electoral votes to name a new president. As a constitutional question here that really bothers me is president ial behavior. I guess the counterargument would be, how much damage are we willing to allow the political system to endure right now . Is country is in heat emotionally over this. The last four years, of the democrats and hyper partisan mode prosecuting president through russian collusion and then impeachment. If Something Like<\/a> the 25th amendment were invoked to remove trump from office, many of his voters would think that was effectively a coup. You have the country in a state of mind where virtually half of them are trying to simply dismiss those constitutional arguments and go into the mongers. We dont need more gasoline thrown on the fire right now. Donald trump is leaving, i think hes going to form a political exile in this country. I think your part about the constitution, the message has been sent, this is a line that cannot be crossed. Paul kyle, i think that is a good part. Why would nancy pelosi want to do this now given the fact that President Trump<\/a> will be out of power within days . What are the democrats thinking . Kyle one answer is not to let it stand. Another answer might be to bar President Trump<\/a> from running for reelection. Legal theories suggest the house could hold and impeachment in the senate could try President Trump<\/a> after he leaves office in the punishment would be that hes no longer allowed to run in 2024. Paul he have to be convicted by the senate to do that, presumably and do think that could happen . Kim thats not going to happen but that would explain why pelosi wants to do this. She wants to put republicans on the spot. Paul i think this is great opportunity for joe biden if you want to put his leadership stamp on the country, to call this o off, this isnt the way i want to start my presidency. Well see if he does that. Still ahead, twitter bands President Trump<\/a> permanently while other platforms have the potential longterm followup next. Its moving day. And while her friends are doing the heavy lifting, jess is busy moving her xfinity internet and tv services. It only takes about a minute. Wait, a minute . But what have you been doing for the last two hours . Delegating . Oh, good one. Move your Xfinity Services<\/a> without breaking a sweat. Now thats simple, easy, awesome. Xfinity makes moving easy. Go online to transfer your services in about a minute. Get started today. Friday twitter announced permanently suspending President Trump<\/a>s account cutting the risk of further incitement of violence after wednesdays deadly riot on capitol hill. The mainstream social media forms moved to limit presence online rate with facebook and instagram indefinitely blocking is access. Kim, is the twitter ban justified on the terms that twitter explained . Kim i dont see how it makes any sense. According to twitter apparently, because the president said he would not attend the inauguration, this was somehow code to all of his followers of the they should feel to engage in violence. I think that is quite a stretch, a simple statement of fact that he decided not to go. I dont really see how its merited. Paul i guess they intend this to extend past his presidency which is essentially. Kim in perpetuity. Paul yes, in perpetuity, extraordinary given that hes a former president and also this weve learned the competitor, competitive start to twitter would be banned by apple that says unless they better control it right along the terms that twitter does, it will not have access to the apple app, what you make of that . Kim one of the argument has always been about twitter and facebook, private companies allowed to police how they want to. If you dont like it, set up Something Else<\/a>. Guess what . Someone actually did that. Now we are told big tech is saying nope, unless you center it exactly the same way twitter does and the same way facebook does, then we will disable your app and destroy your business which has already happened. So i think it brings interesting questions about these platforms and the incredible role they now play in public broadcasting in getting information out which challenges these longstanding questions about their private ownership. Paul kyle, the Business Model<\/a> is to be twitter. Thats what they say, how they attract customers to the site. It not allowed to be not twitter, assault on it Business Model<\/a>. I wonder if there is not an antitrust issue here from the view of what apple is doing and i know the private companies can do what they want in regards to free speech but does this trouble you at all . Kyle well, i think there is a troubling part particularly with the Trump Twitter<\/a> then. I think its a little harder because some of the comments under is pretty bad. One person posted get the firing squads ready, mike pence goes first. I can understand. Paul they pulled that down. They did pull that down. Kyle i understand but i can understand why apple would not want that in its app store. The app store is a place where kids are going and downloading games. Its important to say if you have an apple phone, you can go to the website on the apple phone, they are not blocking that. Were just not going to allow that in our app store. Paul dan, what does it say, what you think of this . And what happens if a big chunk of the public arbitrarily 50 , disagrees with the band and wants to express itself in find they cant do that on these major forms, what happens to the voices . I suspect they dont go away, they go underground or other nastier sites and maybe they end up in the streets, protesting because they dont feel they have any other platform. Dan i agree with that. I think it makes complete sense. The question is, why cant the Tech Companies<\/a> themselves, or even the American Press<\/a> sees the logic of where this is all going and rather than trying to continue to suppress these voices, give them some space to express themselves. Look, twitter, donald trump on twitter the way he communicated with his followers was it extreme . At times. Did he like . At times. He always exaggerates everything but have you checked out the twitter sites, journalists out there working now . There is still mockery on ad hominem opponents attacks. They just took the gasoline and increased it and response ability and now we turn around and discover they will ban donald trump, people like him and try to ban sites like parlor that are set up as alternative to the status quo. Not going to hold up, it cannot stand. Paul kim, briefly, how much of this timing is of this related, not just to wednesday in the event of wednesday but democrats will soon be running all of washington, this is an attempt to appease them. Kim that is exactly what is inspiring this, i think. All the Tech Companies<\/a> suddenly no they do not fear resulting senate were a trump justice department. Moreover, they think it might be to their benefit to make these moves against conservatives in a way to suck up to the new Democratic People<\/a> running the shots in washington and maybe protect themselves a bit from future legislation. Paul all right, when we come back, republicans wrap up with the prospect of a 5050 Senate Following<\/a> the runoff losses in georgia. Can it gained in the last four years and be preserved when democrats take control . More of my interview with pat toomey,me next. The power in the senate said to shift dramatically after democrats pick up to seek tuesday in a pair of georgia runoffs. What does a 5050 senate the Vice President<\/a> Kamala Harris<\/a> is a type broking vote means for elegance and policy agenda . Heres more of my interview with pat toomey from pennsylvania. Paul lets talk about the senate races that lost both of them and why do you think the republicans lost in both seats . Pat i think we lost because the races were about donald trump and not our candidates. We had a very good rationale to present to the motives, you dont want to risk the democrats who have gone to this extreme left in recent years. You dont want to give them Unlimited Power<\/a> but i think that message got eclipsed we have turnout problems. Hit hard to turn out voters when you tell them the election is rigged against them anyone. Its not a great message to inspire people to go to the polls so its tragic. I think we could have one both races. Paul one of the arguments you hear on the other side including from donald trump is the real line was Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> for not pushing ahead with those 2000 checks that he came out after his negotiators and settled on this. You hear on the right that is the reason. What you think of that . Pat i totally disagree with that but for as long as i have paid any attention all most of my adult life, democrats have promised more money and handouts and were hogans have said no. Republicans with the chair of elections especially in a place like georgia. The idea that we should send 2000 checks to people who have had no lost income, people who have sixfigure incomes and 2000 for every Family Member<\/a> so could be of over 10000 people who have sixfigure income, i think most voters understand thats ridiculous. You can make a case for concentrating benefits for people who are in bad circumstances and we have a lot of that in america but that idea of these universal 2000 checks was always a bad idea but i dont believe for a minute it costs us those two bases. Paul youre going to be in the minority with the democrat running the chair it Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> going to continue, does he have support to be minority leader . Pat i think so. I think Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> has been handling some very difficult circumstances as well as anybody could. Im not aware of anybody who will attempt to challenge his leadership. I think hes done a good job. Paul that includes the handling of this last week particular Donald Trumps<\/a> challenge in the election . Pat i think generally, yes. All things considered, he was dealt a really bad hand. I think he handled it pretty well. He knew it was a very bad idea to go down this road of rejecting electors that state duly authorized and he made the case for why we shouldnt go down that road but he doesnt control individual senators so they did what they did but not Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>s fault. Paul you think some of them were senators responsible for some of the, some of what happened this week with essentially, as you said, telling americans that somehow they have been cheated out of this election . Pat look, i think there is a lot of soulsearching that will have to happen people have perpetuated the big lie that donald trump won in a landslide its been stolen from him, thats not true. We know thats not true there are compoundings of dishonesty is like propagating the idea that somehow wednesdays proceedings could result in different outcome and therefore, it was reasonable to pressure lawmakers to do this, that was never possible. To willfully mislead people about that, that is a real problem. Paul what you think is the approach the republicans now it will be 5050 very close, you got as long as the filibuster last, you will have blocking authority, can you preserve much of the tax reform if for example, you worked so hard to pass . Pat something i am worried about because as you correctly say, most legislation requires 60 votes in most will get 60 votes for bad policies but there are categories of legislation that dont require those foods. They can pass with 50 and Vice President<\/a> Kamala Harris<\/a> breaking the tie. Unfortunately, tax policy is in the latter category so we will have to rely on one or more democrats to avoid disasters tax policy. The ironies we face here, while the president has permanently created a new legacy by the outrageous behavior this week, thats going to eclipsed terrific policy we had in the early years of the administration. Tax reform and regulatory relief results of the strongest economy of my lifetime. Record low unemployment, way to gains and narrowing of the income gap between the rich and the poor. This was really good policy the democrats claimed they want. We had it. I hope the fact that the president is credited himself calls us to lose sight of the policies that got us, this economic growth, i hope we can persuade enough to not really undo very constructive reforms especially on the outside. Paul thank you for being here. Appreciate it. Pat thanks for having me. Paul when we come back, more on the fallout from the georgia races and panels take on whats at stake with democrats now in control of the white house about the house and the senate. Fallout from the Georgia Senate<\/a> runoff sure to be felt in washington and across america these next two years as democrats take control of the white house and both houses of congress. We are back with our panel, dan henninger, kim kim strassel and kyle peterson. Kyle, how do you explain the Democratic Victory<\/a> in georgia . Kyle is one analysis that says if you compare turnout in november to turn off in the runoffs 92 in trump precinct, 80 . I think when the president were not telling people the election was rigged for so long and he comes back later and says by the way, go vote, i dont think thats compelling message. Paul is attacks on brian kemp, governor of georgia and secretary of state, kim, basically saying will help in officials dont really support you and your coach. You cant have helped with turnout either. Kim absolutely not. After that the difficult position the president put the two republican candidates in as they were campaigning with that 2000 check when he went and called for those putting them in a position where they had to make a choice between reporting him or not, also the veto of the Defense Authorization<\/a> bill which contained hikes for military members, there are a lot of military aces in georgia. He not only discouraged people from coming out under kat the candidates in the state. Paul kim, there are some reports the president was told colleagues he was pleased perdue and loeffler republicans lost because they didnt support him enough and theres some people who believe senior brokers of the Senate Donald Trump<\/a> didnt really want the races to be one because he wanted to punish Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> and the Senate Leaders<\/a> because they didnt support him enough after the election. You credit either of those . Kim i suppose its possible given help focus the president has been, the president ial election results. Another theory that he didnt necessarily want them to win because it would undercut his own arguments elections are rigged and thats why he lost. Whatever it is, a real pity is the only person, or the person first in line is donald trump because Democratic Senate<\/a> will systematically erase many of his accomplish accomplish was over the years. Paul dan, they erase any since mid august with a majority vote, senator toomey said through the budget process, raise taxes and essentially illuminate most of his tax reform. I wouldnt say it erases all of his agenda but it will take a big chunk of it and take it aw away. Dan well, lets talk about those consequences. Pat toomey suggested they do a simple majority vote, they will be able to pass joe bidens spending and tax bill. Wait until you get a look at that. On friday, joe biden while he was introducing and pushing out the rest of his economic team, he talked at length about his spending plan. He didnt put numbers in but its clear he and his administration expected to spend big way beyond the 2000 stimulus checks. Thats just a down payment. They are going to have a law of regulation of the business community, the former mayor of boston, marty walsh is a former union leader and you will see rules put in place to give workers a lot of right that will probably have suppressive effects on the economy. The democratic theory seems to be you can spend to the horizon because Interest Rates<\/a> are low, you can complete loaded up on the deck and its going to be spending like weve never seen. It sounds to me bernie made this scheme but joe biden and democrats think this is the road to riches riches. This makes it possible. Paul and now if we give them the ability and the rule change, kyle, to change the filibuster and therefore make anything more passable with 15 votes plus one, if they want. You think they will do that . Kyle i dont think they will do that initially, including joe manchin in West Virginia<\/a> says they are against that. What would take is some sort of crisis push for significant legislation in the Democratic Party<\/a> and then there will be a lot of pressure on the senators like joe manchin and i wonder if Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> is wondering what it would take to get him to come to the republican side. Paul well, if he can do that, that would be news. Still ahead, future of the gop, can the Republican Party<\/a> unite again and move forward from the turmoil of the end of the trumpo presidency . Were the president s supporters follow . Se like cordless phones. phone ringing big button, and volumeenhanced phones. Get details on this state program. Visit right now or call during business hours. To end them, cybereason built a Cyber Security<\/a> solutioning. So advanced. It can end attacks today on computers, mobile devices, servers and the cloud. And deliver futureready protection, keeping you sharp for tomorrow. Join us, the defenders, in our mission. Cybereason. End cyber attacks. From endpoints to everywhere. And accessoriesphones for your mobile phone. Like this device to increase volume on your cell phone. phone ringing get details on this state Program Visit<\/a> right now or call during business hours. Citizens of our country serving as your president has been the owner of my lifetime to all of my wonderful supporters, i know you are disappointed but i also want you to know that our incredible journey is only just beginning. Paul those President Trump<\/a> and the video released thursday night by the white house. The president acknowledging will not serve a second term by telling his supporters there journey together is only beginning. Can the Republican Party<\/a> unite after the Trump Presidency<\/a> or is this inevitable . Workflow trump voters go . Dan, who wrote the president should take personal responsibly and the best thing would be if he resigned rather than have another big impeachment fight here in the next few weeks. Judging from the email ive been getting, responses of many people, trump supporter and voters would think the president didnt do anything wrong and are willing to continue to back him. How deep is the split this last week has caused and how long lasting . Dan we are going to find out. I think i have a sense of what the dangers for the Republican Party<\/a> could be. Donald trumps famous base in my mind was always Something Like<\/a> 35 of the total electorate. It remains that, i would say but if you will forward to elect another president ial election in which he is not running for the senate seat, congressional seat two years from now and even 10 of the home, republicans simply cannot win. If the trump face gets so disaffected the small percentage, i think the republicans run the risk of losing the presidency over the next two president ial election cycles. A lot obviously depends on what donald trump means about carrying the battle forward. Does that mean hes going to simply run nonstop for the next four years or Something Else<\/a> . Paul kim, i agree, i think that is a very serious risk. How serious do you think it is and is there going to be some other champion who can come in and appeal to the voters and unite the party . Kim on the Eternal Optimist<\/a> so i will make the case that donald trump may well run again thats why we have a primary contest but you will see other people out there, too. What was one of the things Donald Trump Inspired<\/a> all of this loyalty and brought in these people, his face . What was it for them . Its the fact that hes always projected he cared very much about workingclass americans and you are already seeing other republicans others, senators and others, you can see them laying groundwork for their own president ial race and they are going to be very much on their mind. To me, is there someone out there, you could have an ugly primary but is there someone who can emerge from managers to convince these people that while they are not donald trump, they do care about their issue . That to me will be the defining question. Paul kyle, do you think donald trump essentially kills his chances of being a serious political player for the republican nomination or perhaps it could be a spoiler, thirdparty is he dumped done in terms of the white house . Kyle the 2016 primaries, he really only numeral denomination 35 or so on the floor and it Republicans United<\/a> before that, he might not have gone the nomination but as far as the split, i think a lot depends on joe biden, too. If he runs Progressive Administration<\/a> if we get legislation to add to states in the green new deal, use reporting signs might be uniting faster than possible to imagine right now. Paul dan, potential president ial candidates, i know it would like to run. Ted cruz of texas, they became, theyve made themselves the most prominent spokesmen in the senate for challenging the electoral votes and suggesting there was fraud. Their futures been damaged by this . Dan think they have. I wrote that this week, i think they were calculating if trump for some reason didnt run aga again, they would inherit the trump base their association with the challenge and literally the invasion of the capital, that has not happened, perhaps they would have a path forward but after the capital happenings this week, especially josh hawley and ted cruz, president ial dreams are also over. Paul josh hawley took that 2000 check support and made it difficult for perdue and loeffler in georgia. One more break. When we come back, hits and misses of the week. Time now for hit and misses of the week. Kim, start us off. Kim this is amiss for Simon Schuster<\/a> think it would no longer publish a book by josh hawley on big tech. I remember recommend chiming in schuster can make its own decisions but this isnt a First Amendment<\/a> issue, its rather a woke culture issue, his role in questioning election results. Its especially great is because they have a special duty to get voices out there and diversity of opinion so shame on Simon Schuster<\/a> for that. Paul kyle. Kyle ill give it to new york and Governor Andrew Cuomo<\/a> for bureaucracy rising the vaccine distribution. The huge fines of people are vaccinating outside categories like healthcare workers. This resulted in vaccine freezers and thrown away. Some of the doses giveaway five eligible people in front of you, dont in the trash. Removed friday to expand categories but this failure has been a huge black eye to his covid response. Paul fiasco. Dan. Dan this is amiss, i think, to planet earth. Scientists announced this week the earth is spinning on its axis faster. Faster than ever. Scientists also say they keep spinning quickly, they may have to subtract a second from the World Official<\/a> timekeeping. They say no one will notice. Personally, i find it very disturbing. People say all the time the world is spinning out of control. Maybe it is, literally. Paul yeah, its, i knew there had to be some explanation, maybe this is it. If you have your own hit or miss, tweet it to us. Thats it for this weeks show. Thanks to my panel. Thanks to all of you for watching. We hope to see you right here next week. Big tech in the president of the United States<\/a> twitter permanently suspending President Trump<\/a>s account as facebook box on at least until joe bidens inauguration the 20th. Threats of violence and even assassination continue to flourish on social media. Hello and welcome to americas news headquarters, i am eric shawn. Arthel . Hello, everyone. The crackdown coming after wednesdays that the capitol hill right. 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