Called stupid American Voters. This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure cbo did not score the mandate of taxes. If so, the bill dies. Its written to do that. In terms of subsidies, a law which says Healthy People will pay in, it would not have passed. Just like peoples lack of transparency a huge political advantage. And basically calls the stupidity of the American Voter or whatever, but they quickly that was really, really critical to get this thing to pass. The second best argument. I wish we could make this transparent so i would like this law than not. There are things i wish i could change but id rather have this law than not. That caught fire. Today mr. Gruber who declined his opportunity to explain his remarks here on the kelly file went on to watch a littlewatched broadcast on msnbc to say that his remarks were spontaneous and careless. The comment and the video was made at an academic conference. I was speaking off the cuff and i spoke inappropriately. And i regret making those comments. It was off the cuff. He didnt mean it. But now tonight more video has surfaced showing this was not the first time mr. Gruber called the American People stupid in an off the cuff remark. In this next clip from also last year, mr. Gruber explains how democrats played with the language of the obama care law so that it achieved their dwogo, by again, fooling the stupid public. Pretty much the same thing. They imposed a tax, americans are too stupid to understand. Too stupid to understand. Lccc hours ago the white house distancing itself from mr. Gruber by refusing to give any ontherecord response to his comments, but that wasnt the white house attitude when it was selling the health care law. In fact, the white house could not get enough of jonathan gruber. By 2010 the administration has paid mr. Gruberqibj for his expertise. So white house dedicated a webpage to his health care analysis. White house visitor laws reportedly show senior officials there at the white house had a dozen meetings with health care advisers including gruber. In one of those meetings with mr. Gruber was personally chaired by the president in the oval office. And heres how one top democrat described gruber at the time. The Congressional Budget Office and professor gruber are both credible and unbiased sources, were not bought and sold by the insurance industry. Boy, they love it. They loved him back then. Joining me now republican South Carolina congressman trey gouder who is a member of the House Oversight committee. Your reaction to that . Well, happy veterans day, megyn. I cant get past the irony to even get to the arrogance. The most Transparent Administration since the continent shifted had to rely on artifice and deception to pass its signature piece of legislation. You cant make that up. He had to lie to people and then he justified it, so i cant even get past the irony of that to even get to the arrogance of him calling hur fellow citizens stupid. You are a former prosecutor. Youre great in a courtroom. Have you ever i mean, this is smoking gun. I mean, this is the smoking gun piece of evidence i mean, for years now the American Public has disliked the law, has complained that they felt it was crammed down their throats, that there was dishonesty in the process, that they were not told the full story, now youve got the chief architect of the law on camera saying, yes, we had to lie because you are too dumb to know whats good for you. Yeah, its really serious in a participatory democracy that you tell your fellow citizens you are not smart enough to understand the truth or we cant tell you the truth because you wouldnt go along with it. Well maybe you shouldnt pass the law. Its not the responsibility of your viewers to read thousand page bills. Hell, the people that vote on it didnt read it before they voted on it. Its not my fellow citizens responsibility to read this bill. I would say this to the professor, put down the cognac and the lost writings of j. D. Salinger, you will see our stupid our fellow citizens are, take a look at last tuesday night. Because they rejected you, this bill and this administration. They bounced out 28 senators who voted in favor of this law. And yet mr. Gruber thinks that the American Public is stupid. And yet theyre smarter than he thinks because they doubted his assertions at the time. Theyve doubted them ever since. So despite his effort to pull the wool over their eyes, theyve been on to these deceptions for a long, long time. This law has never had the majority support of the American People. Yet it is on the books. They are stuck with it. And now people want to come out and say it doesnt matter what mr. Gruber said. All that matters is that we have this wonderful law that people should love and, if they dont, well, its because, as we told you, theyre stupid. Well, i would hope my fellow citizens would keep this in mind any time somebody wants to sell them, quote, a comprehensive piece of legislation, whether its dodd frank or the immigration bill the president wants, comprehensive is latin for theres lots of bad stuff in here. He just proved that hes willing to lie, hes willing to lie because he has the arrogance of thinking that he knows what is best for this country and the citizens and the voters could not. So keep that in mind the next time anybody tries to sell you on a big piece of legislation by calling it comprehensive. Do you think the white house needs to speak to this now . We went through the number of contacts he had personally chairing, the president did, a meeting with him, touting him as an objective analyst, credible, unbiased, compelling, his senate testimony. He was presented to us as an honest broker by the administration. I would loc congressman trey gowdy. Before i letogs you go, whats happening on benghazi . We have a very robust investigative plan that will kick off in december, and, megyn,ic te i can tell you my g was to have an investigation whereness withes never talked to before felt comfortable coming forward because of the seriousness of our investigation and thats precisely what is happening. It is not with a lot of fanfare and there arent a lot of public hearings, but trust me when i tell you we are making tremendous progress. Thank you, sir, good to see you. Yes, maam. Happy early birthday. Thank you very much. Joining me now is a democratic pollster and president and ceo of whitman insight strategies. This is not first time mr. Gruber, professor, has been caught misleading us. He said in january that obama care was never meant to save money, dont worry about that, but he said it was a deficit reducer, a cost ektive step towards cost problems. He said if youre a state and you dont set up an exchange, that means your citizens dont get their tax credits. When the states decided not to set up exchanges and go on healthcare. Gov and said we want our credits, he said go ahead, you can have them. Forget that stuff i said before. Now he says that other stuff we said about taxes, thats all bs, we had to do it because we had to get this law passed and sorry. You know what it proves . It proves that gruber may be a decent policy with regard to health care but hes3n politicl ed yot. The Affordable Care act has brought down the deficit because of medicaid w5vureduction. The fact is the cost of health care is going down. 8 before this is now going up to 4 . The fact is 18 of americans do not have Health Insurance before the law passed speak to the substance. The law actually is working. What he was saying in the first clip, the long one where he said we had to write in it a way where they didnt score it as taxes, that would have been a problem. He was saying that the system is set up to hide its true nature, which is wealth redistribution. He was saying, if we said explicitly that we were going to make the young and Healthy People pay and to help the old and unHealthy People, it would not have passed, so we had to lie. Megyn, i think everybody knew what they were getting. Obama xand on this law for two solid years. I dont remember him2jo say that. He risked his presidency on the law. We lost the house because of the law. I think everybody knew exactly what they were gettingv067 cf1o oh, my god, bernard, seriously . The justice of the Supreme Court roberts everyone knew what they were getting . Is that what you want the viewers to believe . Attacked, now, politicall speaking, of course it could not be sold as a tax, so they called it a mandate. Youre relying on chief Justice Roberts saying a decision on which he was roundly panned that turned half the country against him . Thats your evidence that this law was clear is the most controversial Supreme Court decision in years where roberts said its very clear its a tax. An argument that neither side paid any attention to. You know why . This is the sad truth. Governments do amazing things. They provide for national defense, they build roads and bridges they lie on people that lie to our faces like mr. Gruber. And to make sure that tens of millions of americans have health care coverage. No matter what. The ends justify the means. People that cant afford health care. Did you hear me . The ends justify the means . No, im saying that taxes are necessary to pay for things then get out there and make the argument. Tell us that professor gruber. We dont need to because the law was passed. We dont need to because this is based on a lie. He wasnt charged with he was a senior white house adviser on this. He was there nine times, bernard. Nonverbal communication. Who was he talking about . In that second clip in a conversation with john kerry, with the administration, repeatedly he met with them and the decision was to mislead. I dont think the decision was to mislead. I think the decision was look, you take a policy decision hee wanted enacted, which is universal health care coverage. We water that down, we enable people to get coverage that ordinarily did not have coverage. And in order to pass that you say what you need to say. You call it a mandate instead of a tax. If it had been called a tax, it would not have passed. It was about the deception on who was going to pay, it was the fraud that was committed on the young people. That is what was argued before the Supreme Court, the system was set up to hidej7w nature. Wealth distribution. Of time. Were taking your thoughts on facebook. Com the kellyfile. The man who took a hatchet n rookies w york police in a horrifying terror attack. Wait until you see what we now know about this guy. Plus glenn beck Getting National attention after he shares shocking news about his health and the mysterious illness. That report is just ahead. I was told by doctors just this last spring when we moved off this stage that i can no longer work the way i had been longer work the way i had been what youre doing now, janice. Blogging. Your blog is just pictures of you in the mirror. Its called a fashion blog, todd. Well, ive been helping people save money with progressives discounts. Flo, can you get janice a job . [ laughs ] you shouldve stuck to softball i was so much better at softball than janice, dad. Wheres your wife, todd . Vacation. Discounts like homeowners, multipolicy i got a discount on this ham. Ive got the meat sweats. This is good ham, diane. Paperless discounts give it a rest, flo. All yeah, flo, give it a rest. Exclusive new details tonight on the man who took a hatchet to four nypd rookies last month in what might have motivated his horrifying attack. Chief intelligence correspondent katherine her ij is live for us in washington. This fourpage intelligence assessment speaks directly to zale thompsons radicalization and online obsession with jihad. It found that thompson was looking for jihadist propaganda, foreign terrorist groups and violent tactics before he attacked those rookie cops before he was shot dead. This page from the nypd bulletin shows just how many times he was looking for radical islam online. All these bullet points are search terms. There are hib58 such as jihad i america, jihad against the police, jihad is the only solution and jihad against jews and crusaders. Ln7p thompsons web activity also suggests he considered targeting the u. N. General assembly and specifically saudi dignitaries. It includes evidence photos from the crime scene and hunting knife at his home. A leading analyst at George WashingtonUniversity Says the early reporting from Anonymous Sources that thompson was somehow motivated by antigovernment and black power sentiments were plain wrong. This was jihadist inspired, plain and simple. He has so many search terms in this respect that i think it would be very difficult to suggest that its anything but. In addition to the web searches, thompson was a follower of al qaeda affiliates for at least a year and a half before this horrific attack on thosenucat cops, megyn. Catherine herridge, thank you. Were digging into a group of muslims who are challenging the nypd over a Surveillance Program that the Department Says is designed to prevent anoth another 9 11. Peter king is chairman of the house subcommittee. He joins me now. This group has filed a lawsuit saying this program is unconstitutional, and a lower Court Disagrees saying its fine. The nypd did it. They had a reason to do it. They didnt just target you because you were muslims. They were trying to find jihadists imbedding themselves in the muslim communities. To do that they needed to surveil these mosques and other areas. Now theyre appealing saying this is discrimination on its face. And you say what . I say that judge bill martini who wrote the opinion dismissing the lawsuit was 1,000 correct. He pointed out that there were no rights violated here whatsoever. He said if youre going to look for muslim terrorists, you would obviously surveil muslim communities. Thats where they would be coming from. Were not talking about Fourth Amendment issues here. Theres no search and seizure, no wire tapping. This is police surveilling, monitoring that doesnt require a court order whatsoever. Also there was no harm done to anyone in the community. The only harm that came to the muslim community, if you want to call it that, is when the Associated Press leaked classified documents that the nypd kept on this surveillance. But the nypd, again, no rights violated, no spying, nothing other than Good Police Work they were looking for terrorists that could be coming from that community. Remember, the 1993 World Trade Center attack originated from new jersey. But they say this is the plaintiffs group, the muslim group, they say that the nypd they engaged in pretext tual conversations to elicit details about the lives of regular muslim americans. No muslim was beyond suspicion. One woman who lives in newark, they say she was surveilled because she operates a grade school for muslim girls. They say this is the harm is the blatant treatment of muslims as different, as other, as deserving of suspicion simply based on their faith. Well, judge martini looked at the record and carefully said there was nothing to back that up at all. Whenever youre doing surveillance in the community, for instance, when the fbi was going after the mafia, they werent into Italian American communities and they were asking questions and inquiring. When they went after the westies, they went to every irish bar on the west side of manhattan. If some peoples feelings were hurt, thats one thing. Thats not a constitutional issue, thats not a legal issue. The nypd goes out of its way to do it. They were invited into new jersey by people there. And no ones rights were violated here. Whats the status of the program today . Commissioner bratton and Deputy Commissioner john miller are working to keep the program going. There have been some changes made. Quite frankly, i fully supported commissioner kellys program, but i believe that commissioner bratton will do everything he can to keep the program as effective as ever. Unfortunately, when mayor de blasio ran, he was critical of the program. He sided with the new york times, but since hes been in office, commissioner bratton is doing the best he can. Seems like the mayor has done a reversal on this. Thats ams interesting. Good to see you. Always good to see you. An International Event involving chinas first lady, Vladimir Putin and a moment chinese censors are trying to hide. Plus the story behind glenn becks shocking announcement behind what he describes as a serious and painful illness. Thats next. Its baffled some of the best doctors in the world. It has frightened me and my family. As we didnt know what was happenin vo rush hour around here starts at 6 30 a. M. On the nose. But for me, it starts with the opening bell. And the rush i get, lasts way more than an hour. announcer at scottrade, we share your passion for trading. Thats why weve built powerful technology to alert you to your next opportunity. Because at scottrade, our passion is to power yours. 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