And to the other families im sorry about what happened. Obviously, you guys are devastated as we are, but i know for a fact things will get better as time goes on. I just want to thank you guys for reaching out to me. Were going to hear more from that impressive young man and tim jackson lost his 87yearold grandmother. Just hard to process that. My grandma had to leave earth this way. Its just real really hard and its challenging because i dont believe that she deserved to kind of go this way. And the pastor of the Emanuel Church is is being remembered as a force in that community. He is the one minister the one leader that brought that kind of zeal and energy to our church. And he will be extremely missed in this community and especially as the leerd of our church. Amazing person the nation and Law Enforcement now turning their full focus on the case at hand of this alleged shooter. Last night, we learned from a woman who spoke to one of the survivors that the killer allegedly allowed one woman to live so she could tell his story. He told one of the elderly members, he asked her did i shoot you and she said, no. And he said he asked her. Yes. And she said no. And he said good. Because we need a survivor because im going to kill myself. Policy of this program, not to name names or show the faces of mass murders, but we are getting to the bottom of this new debate that has now sparked over the issues of violence and race in this country. Mike tobin joins us from charleston. A short time ago, we heard from the mayor scribing the suspect as heinous and hateful. This is video, shot by one of the victim himself, showing the suspect in the church surround bid the very people he would gun down just a short time later and reports surfaced quoting a Law Enforcement source saying he almost waved off his own attack because the people in the church were so nice to him. There are indicators that he was hateful, troubled and could do something violent. One of the few friends he had took away his handgun, but gave it back to him when he sobered up. A few friends he had said they did hear the hateful language coming from him and ramping up in the days leading up to those murders. He told me that i mean that the black people were taking over the country and that the he wanted it to be segregation. And buried in the reports about his february arrest for trespassing is an indication of strong drug use. Found on him was something people use when hooked on opiate. Martha . Mike, thank you very much. So while the city of charleston focuses on healing and forgiveness, some of the media are involved in intense exchanges on how to characterize the shooter. One Washington Post columnist writing quote, shooters of color are called terrorists and thugs. Why are white shooters called mentally ill . Joining me now for more senator tim scott from South Carolina. Senator, welcome. Thank you and our thoughts are with you and the whole community there. I know its a difficult time for everybody in South Carolina, so let me start with that. We certainly appreciate your prayers for our state and the Charleston Community at large. Let me talk to you about this editorial. What do you make of that . Is it true in your mind . Well i think whats true is that we have a man who committed a heinous crime and it seemed like his heart was completely filled with hate and it scrambled his mind. I think those pundits trying to figure out why he did what he did perhaps as a good line of conversation, for me what i am looking at is a community that is suffering because of his actions. There are nine people that have lost their lives, for me, whats important is that a, our Law Enforcement did a fantastic job of bringing this guy in. Charged. I look forward to seeing how our Community Comes together and deals with the challenges. Im optimistic well have a strong response from the community here in South Carolina in charleston. How you label the victim how you label the perpetrate eror is not top of the mind for me. Understood. You know there is all this discussion when we look at these issues as to whether or not people what is terrorism, is it accurate to call him a terrorist, but you make a great point. I think the most important thing right are these victims and their families and what is quite clear to everyone is that this was an evil, evil act on the part of this young man and questions will be raised down the road about whether or not he was mentally ill, whether this is part of a bigger picture, but for now, it seems fitting we stay focused on those lost. And keeping with that. The president pretty much immediately went to the issue of gun control, bemoaning the fact he would never be able to pass legislation at the federal level. What do you say about that, senator . I think the president on this one, the fact of the matter is that what type of gun law, what has made this situation not o occur occur, frankly, he was already breaking gun laws that exist when he went into a church with a gun as a person charged with a felony he had a gun, so the laws were already broken to suggest theres somehow a way to suggest theres a way for us to stop this occurrence with Gun Legislation seems to be in consistent with the facts as we know them on the ground. He had a handgun. An automatic weapon so really no conversation to be had, that somehow the gun laws we have are not working. The fact is had the gun laws been enforced, had it the guy, we would not be here but the challenge is that laws are created for a just society. This guy was not trying to be part of a just society. I want to go back to the issue that was in that editorial for a moment. Because there was an effort it feels right away to sort of make this a part of a bigger very troubled history that has existed. This is a black church. It was attacked by a young man who has espoused thoughts of segregationism and white supremacy, so, when you heard about this crime and when you think about it now do you see it as a part of that continuum and difficult history or as something that appears to be separate from that . I think the fact of the matter is that people all around the country and all around the world struggle with different types and Different Levels of prejudice and certainly race is m is a real fact. But we have made so much progress. What i hear in the question often is not an analysis of the individual but an attempt to drag us back to aiest iester year. This guys activities were racist without any question. And he said he needed to do something towards black folks and he carried out a vicious attack. But to try to put that label on South Carolina and or on people at large, i think inconsistent with experience that so many of us have had here in South Carolina. We made so much progress that we should be talking about, but unfortunately, in the midst of a tragic situation, peoples minds go in all directions and understandable to some extent but im trying to focus on facts and helping my community restore, heal and come back together. Its a wonderful community, charleston, its a dpraet American City and you know, when you hear that heartbreaking part of the story, that he almost didnt do it because the people in that church were so nice to him. It really does break your heart. Senator, thank you very much. Good to have you with us today. Senator tom scott. Thank you very much. So president obama last night went to a Beverly Hills fundraiser and again spoke angrily as the issue of gun droll with the senator. So up next chris does some Fact Checking on what the administration has done on this issue and what it has not. Plus, an amazinge inging story of one womans brave role in helping to capture the charleston shooter. Youre going to hear directly from her in a a moment and then the teenage son of one of the Church Shooting victims had a moment yesterday that could teach the whole country how to better handle faith and forgiveness. I just say love is always stronger than hate. So we just love the way my mom would, then the hate wont be anywhere close to what love is. When heartburn comes creeping up on you. Fight back with relief so smooth. Its fast. Tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. And neutralizes stomach acid at the source. Tum, tum tum tum. Smoothies only from tums. We all feel the calling to build something great. When you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together can quickly become the only thing you think about. Thats where at t can help. With the tools and the network you need to make working as one easier than ever. Virtually anywhere. Leaving you free to focus on what matters most. We dont have all the facts, but we know once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gup. At some point, we as a country, will have to reckon with the fact this type of violence does not happen in other countries. It doesnt happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And at some point, its going to be important for the American People to come to grips with it. And for us to be able to shift how we think about the issue of gun violence collectively. That was president obama yesterday commenting on the tragedy in charleston expressing sorrow and turning to the issue of gun control. Even while his critics were asking when it was too soon to start that conversation in the wake of this horrific crime. He then traveled to two california fundraisers and raises the issue again, this time with some big names from hollywood. Joining us now, Senior Adviser for americans for responsible solutions and she was a staffer for then congresswoman gabbie giffords and lars. The president , he talked about the fact he believes this is an outside problem in the United States and he believes that is at least in part due to lax gun laws. What say you . Well, two thing, its not because of lack of laws. But secondly the president says this doesnt happen elsewhere. Thats absolutely categoringly and provably untrue. The worst mass shooting in World History happened in norway with fuf gun laws. Three of the worst shootings were in germany. Great britain has extraordinarily tough gun laws a much higher rate of Violent Crime than the United States. Thes just factually off base. Secondly about gun laws the president s been banging on this drum for the last seven years because hes had a number of these incidents during his tenure and the fact is there were already laws being broken that the president could enforce by picking up the phone and calling his attorney general and saying listen get out there and enforce these laws. It was illegal for this shooter, this killer to go into that church with a gun. It was illegal for him to carry a concealed weapon. It was illegal for him to buy a gup because he was facing a drug accusation. That would have prevebted him from clearing a background check. Do you think the president s wrong in this case . The president was talking simply about Mass Shootings, which yes, occur very very frequently in this country and dont occur as frequently in other developed nations. This is a fact of life in this country that needs to be addressed, but they do they do. Maybe they happen to a greater extent here but you know i dont really see how thats relevant when you kind of break it down and that is that we have laws on the books that are now enforced. So you know to say that some other effort other than enforcing whats on the book is going to make a difference and i dont know if that would make a difference in this case we just saw. Absolutely. Theres a lot that needs to happen. We need to enforce the laws on the books. We need to pass common sense laws that protect responsible gun owners, but also go after the loopholes that allow people to get weapons that shouldnt have them. But its about your family and community. This is a person that was suffering from serious mental illness. He had delusions of committing this horrible crime and starting a race war and yet, fizz his family, either his father bought the gun for him. People know this person had a gun. This isnt an answer of the government regulating our laws. I think half of o your equation is probably the most instrumental. The only people, lars, who had an inkling he was up to anything would have been his family and friends who may have had some clues. We heard from the one young man who said he thought he was going awry, something was wrong. Really who thinks the person they know is capable of this . Well, even when they do, Martha Martha the problem is ive heard from plenty of families who said they called a police our son our daughter, usually or son, is at risk of doing something crazy and they say theres nothing we can do until the person has broken the law or has demonstrated hes a danger. One law that helped people at ris income that church on wednesday night. Theres a law in South Carolina that says that lawabiding citizens cannot legally carry a concealed weapon in a church. Gun free zones are dangerous places to be. Virtually all of the Mass Shootings in america have happened in gun free zones and where there are people who are lawfully and legally armed, these kinds of shootings have been i want to get pia a quick chance to respond. Let me just say i dont think thats necessarily true. Most people are not able to respond that quickly to an instance where theres war they dont have a chance. If they cant have a concealed weapon. Well okay. Let me say one thing. There is something that can be done about stopping a Family Member or friend. Its called the gun violence restraining order and more and more states are considering this. So, we talked about how big the laws are et cetera and i think thats a way of dibiasing the conversation but there are other laws that can be thought of to help address this problem. Californias done it. This is a case where South Carolina were to have that law, this could have made a difference. If the people acted around him. Thank you very much. Thanks. So, while the gun control debate rages on the president is is pushing back against questions about why he personally hasnt done more. When speaking last night, he mentioned the gun issue and said quote, when i ran in 2008 i in fact did not say i would fix it. I said we could fix it. Collectively as a group in congress and in the white house. Chris joins me now. Fox News Politics editor. He covered the 2008 campaign and has tracked the president s efforts. How is he doing . Well as evidenced by his frustration, by the rueful statements he made, both in washington and out in beverly hill, not well and he knows it. Remember we started this process in 2009, in april of 2009 in new york there was a mass shooting at an immigration center. It was a nightmare and there was an all Democratic Congress and the president did not use that moment. That was the first time first incidence of these kinds of mass killings that took place during this presidency. He didnt pick it up then and we didnt hear a lot about it until we got to newtown, connecticut. I remember the president saying after newtown, there was a potent mix of things that went boo that. Violent video games that we have seen time and time again, that these young men are spending hours and hours sort of indocket nating their brains with this stuff. Combined with mental illness, drugs taken for mental illness. I think theres a lot were going to learn about this man in South Carolina that he had a history of drug use and then you combine with that the access of somebody whos got those two boxes checked, getting access to a gun, but i hear precious little from the president about the other two legs of that stool, chris. Well remember it is very hard for people who are in government and who believe in the power of government to amill yor rate the problems of the world, for those people to say there are things to which government cannot speak and address and the shatteredness and brokenness that people identify in our culture this leaves this void this space, where not only feel this way, but that their friends and neighbors dont take action to present it. That is a reality that is hard to talk about. Its great point and i think about the campaign in cities to stop terrorism. If you see something, say something. And maybe we need a similar creed to live by when it comes to people within our own communities and families. Chris, thank you very much. Less than 24 hours after the shooting people were trying to place blame on gun lawes and on the media as well and in one case even on the Confederate Flag. Next, why the rush to point fingers here. 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