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Vote and you saw what happened in colorado. Its one of the big things. Its a fix because if i go to the voters of colorado, we win colorado. So its a crooked, crooked system. Cruz is just kicking off a rally in california where he seems to have shifted his focus and was earlier defending his weekend win. Declaring that Donald Trumps complaints are par for the course. Donald has been yelling and screaming. A lot of whining. And the latest thing he seized upon is when people vote against him, theyre stealing the election. Its a really odd notion. In moments we have two big guests. Trump adviser Steven Miller and former secretary of education, bill bennett. First, Trace Gallagher explains why all the controversy. Trace . Megyn, the Trump Campaign says its very confident he will get the 1,237 delegates needed to win the nomination and yet donald trump is arguing he shouldnt need 1,237 saying whoever gets the most should automatically win. Trump believes the process, as you pointed out, is crooked and rigged against him and he points to what happened this weekend in colorado where ted cruz completed his sweep of colorados 34 delegates. Heres trump on fox friends. The people out there are going crazy, the denver area and colorado, itself. Theyre going absolutely crazy because they werent given a vote. Even some colorado gop Party Leaders admit their state process for choosing National Delegates is confusing and excludes way too many voters. But the information about the colorado contest certainly wasnt secret or as the Cruz Campaign retweeted, the rules, were publicly available for months to people who know how to read and understand words. And its not as if the Trump Campaign was blanketing colorado. Trump didnt put a paid staffer on the ground there until last week and when the Trump Campaign finally distributed its list of preferred colorado delegates, the list was riddled with errors and misspellings. The trump camp blames that on getting bad information. And Donald Trumps newly hired convention manager, paul mantefort, says the campaign will be filing several protests accusing ted cruz of not playing by the rules and using gastapo tactics. They respond accusing trump from lashing out with falsehoods to distract. Across Media Outlets today the trump argument raged on. Is this system rigged . Is it fair . Should it stand . Rush limbaugh supported both cruz and trumps at different times. Heres his take. What happened in colorado, its not a trick, its no secret that colorado was going to choose its delegates before the primary. Its not a secret so it was left to be discovered by people who didnt know. Joining us now, Senior Adviser to the Trump Campaign, stephen miller, thank you for being with us tonight. What do you make of rushs take on it . Hes been very fair to mr. Trump. He thin the homework wasnt done. Well, aisim going to say something, megyn, thats extremely controversial. In america, people should get to vote for who they want to be president. I was in colorado. There was to election in colorado. Zero people voted for president in colorado. They canceled the election. I think its an important conversation for us to have right now about whether thats fair and thats right. Well, thats what youre going for. You dont think the system is fair. To be honest, i think many people didnt understand we have primaries and we have caucuses and then we have a few states that do this ot colorado does which is called, like, a Convention System where you just elect some delegates then theyll go and figure things out. But they are going to support ted cruz in this instance. In any event, so you dont think thats fair, but fair or not, it is what the people of colorado put in place last august. Well, the people of colorado didnt put it in place. The Republican Party of colorado canceled the election. They had election in 2012 and didnt have one in 2016. But heres why i think its unfair. Let me give a very specific example. Imagine that you are a soldier serving overseas who fought to secure iraqi elections. Remember everyone with the purple finger . You, a soldier who went overseas to iraq, she now cant vote in americas election in her home state. That just seems crazy to me. So lets say youre right and, i mean, theyve got this wacky system and the people of colorado, some of whom are very ticked off about this, say we dont like that, right . They redo it the next time around. Is there any remedy now other than just sort of saying im so glad you asked that question because something really marvelous happened tonight in albany. Albany, albany, stephen, come on. The the donald trump said that he is going to reform the rules of nominations if he becomes president of the United States. Hell work with the rnc to do that. I think its something to celebrate. I think americans should be excited about democratic reform and if you really look at whats happening here, and look, i understand that these are the rules. We all do. But thats a weak thing to say, well they are the rules so this should never change. Whats happening here is insiders i dont know that they shouldnt change. You heard ted cruz sort of saying, hey, he knew and thats too bad and says that you dont get to come out and say its rigged when it was out there, it was changed, it was public and, you know, they just didnt win. The part that was rigged, and i dont want to get into all the anythinegatives but the part th rigged because i was there, i saw it firsthand, i was in the district delegate meetings, is i heard people shouting out loud that names were missing from ballots, numbers didnt correspond to names. They would bring up easels and say everyone write down these names which arent on the ballots and sometimes theyd hand out ballots Trump Campaign detractors, you heard in the Trace Gallagher report, the list of preferred Trump Delegates in colorado was riddled with errors which they blame on team trump. I mean, shouldnt you be what i saw had nothing to do with that and my only regret is that i didnt invite the cameras of fox news into the rooms so people could see what i saw. Are we allowed in there . I dont know, actually. All right. Stlst there are a few more of these. One of the reforms we could perhaps put in after mr. Trump is elected to get fox news cameras inside the meetings so people can see. Its a date. It was chaos inside the room. I got to run. Think you for being here. Thank you. Joining us with more, bill bennett, author of the new book tried by fire the story of christianitys first thousand years. Bill, great to see you. Thanks for being here tonight. Thanks, megyn. You dont think greatness is possible in albany, dont think greatness is possible in albany . I didnt like he said albany. Thats my hometown. Its albany. Well also accept smallbany, but not albany. Got it. First nine years in syracuse, the rest in albany. I know what i speak. Question about stephen millers testimonial. Agree or disagree . I dont agree. Im not a kasich guy, trump guy, kasich guy. Last time i was any guy, it was reagan. Stephen miller cant dictate what colorado does. Thats the way they set it in up colorado. We do not have a pure democracy here. We have a constitutional republic. And states do things in different ways. Thats the way colorado decided to do it. I think the Crucial Point is that donald trump and his people were not kept out of colorado. They could have gone in and done the exact same thing ted cruzs people did. They chose not to do it. What about his point that the people never voted for this . He said the people never got to vote. Im an alternate delegate in North Carolina thanks to my friend, claude pope. I probably wont go because i imagine everyones going to want to go to this convention. There isnt going to be much room for alternates. But the states have different rules and the rules belong to the people who put them in place. These are the activists in the state. The people who want to get engaged. The people who want to get involved. You get to vote for president , you know, in november, and that vote counts. However, there, again, its not a pure democracy. You can ask al gore about that. He had 500,000 more votes than george bush, but he lost to george bush because the electoral college. We have a complicated and Intricate System and its designed by people at the federal level and at the state level to get the results that they want and if you want to get engaged and involved and change it, thats what you do but you cant be a bystander and just point and say, thats not the way you do it. They decide how they want to do it. Whats happening here, the reason this is relrelevant, is because we have such a tight contest on the republican side. Sure, sure. These guys are duking it out to see whether trump can get to 1,2 1,273, not realistic cruz or kasich can get it prior to july. Cruz has been very well organized in these states that require organization. What does that tell you about this race and the parties involved . It tells you that Organization Means a lot in politics. Ground game means a lot in politics. There you can consult Hillary Clinton and ask her about barack obama and his ground game and something well consider again at the time of the general, but these things matter. That kind of organization, that kind of getting people out, getting their enthusiasm, getting to the caucuses. I was in instructed on what it would mean to be a delegate. By the way, all this stuff about the rnc is in charge, cruz is in charge, or trump these delegates are in charge and these are very active and smart people. When i was briefed on what it meant to be a delegate, its very complicated. You have to make a major commitment and so theyll be the people who ultimately decide it. But look, this is what happens. Its happened before in america. 76, ford reagan. It will happen again. This is red hot tempers, red tape, but its better than red blood which is what they do in other countries. What do you you know, understand the obligation, like when they talk to you about, okay, youre bound on the first vote but then its a second vote, anything could happen. Were being told delegates can be wooed, they can wine and dine you, say, bill, how would you like to come to maralago or i guess ted cruz could have you down to the ranch. What do they tell you youre allowed to take . How can they woo you appropriately . You know, this is James Madison buying drinks, right, for the delegates in virginia, our very own founding father. All sorts of things can happen that will turn on the rules, but, yes, it was explained to me if im an alternate delegate and a delegate drops and i get that delegates position, i have to vote for the person on the first ballot whom that delegate supports and if that person was john kasich or marco rubio or someone weve forgotten by now, i still have to do that. Thats my obligation. What about my right to vote for who i want to . Thats now how the system is set up. What do you think of the odds of them parachuting in somebody not running for president right now to step in . I think theyre small. You know, i think theyre small, but ill tell you, this is a crazy year. Anything can happen. But its in the hands of the delegates. I know a lot of these delegates and frankly, i trust them. Ive been all over this country. Ive met with tons of delegates. Id rather see it in their hands. Theyre like the republican phonebook, you know, that bill buckley talked about. Ill take them over the experts. Fascinating. Bill, great to see you. Good luck with the book. Thank you, megyn. While trump was accusing ted cruz of cheating, there are new reports that john kasich may be trying to help donald trump win this nomination. Montel williams just came out for kasich. Hes here on that. Plus, president obamas now trying to argue that mrs. Clinton broke no secrecy rules with her email. But one of the president s former top intel guys says his old boss is very wrong. And general Michael Flynn is here to tell us why. And then, theres an explosive new claim about 28 highly classified pages from the 9 11 report that could prove one of our allies may have been helping the attackers. Former senator bob graham has seen them. Not many people have. Hes here on why he thinks these pages must be released. You will find out who really knocked down the World Trade Center because they have papers in there that are very secret. You may find its the saudis, okay, but you will find out. A digital notebook to capture investing ideas that instantly gives you stock prices, earnings, and dividends. An equity summary score that consolidates the stock ratings of top analysts into a single score. And 7. 95 online u. S. Equity trades, lower than td ameritrade, schwab, and etrade, you realize the smartest investing idea isnt just what you invest in, but who you invest with. Quite like the human foot. Introducing the 255 horsepower lexus is 300 allwheeldrive. With twentyfive percent more base horsepower. Once driven, theres no going back. Came out today thousands of people to run the race for retirement. So we asked them. Are you completely prepared for retirement . Okay, mostly prepared . Could you save 1 more of your income . It doesnt sound like much, but saving an additional 1 now, could make a big difference over time. Im going to be even better about saving. You can do it, it helps in the long run. Prudential bring your challenges breaking tonight. We are seeing new reports that gop frontrunner donald trump may be getting some help from one of his opponents. Some pundits are suggesting that Governor John Kasich is making moves that appear designed specifically to help trump. Trace gallagher live in our west coast newsroom. Trace . Megyn, john kasich believes both donald trump and ted cruz would get killed in the election by Hillary Clinton and says he is the only one who can beat her. Kasich also knows he stands zero chance of winning the nomination in the primaries but is staying in the race because during a contested convention, he thinks delegates would see he is the most electable. Heres kasich. So what we really need to do is get these people, these critics to get behind me and get their people to drop out so we can actually beat Hillary Clinton. Political analyst Seth Abramson writes in the Huffington Post he thinks well end up with a Kasich Marco Rubio ticket because theyd appeal to mainstream republicans, tea partyers, along with nonwhite voters and many young voters. Of course theres the sticky issue of marco rubio who dropped out a month ago still having more delegates than john kasich. Now many are wondering about the possibility of john kasich being Donald Trumps running mate. Over the weekend, the Kasich Campaign actually teamed up with the Trump Campaign in michigan to help trumps delegates get Committee Positions at the Gop Convention in july. Positions that would otherwise have gone to ted cruz. Kasichs team says they helped out trump because ted cruz is trying to scoop up too many delegates. Analysts say the favor to trump may mean nothing, or it could mean if given a choice, kasich would take trump over cruz. Megyn . Trace, thank you. Joining me now with more, Montel Williams whos an activist, former tv host, former Naval Intelligence officer, and a supporter of president ial candidate Governor John Kasich. Great to see you, montel. Good to see you, too, megyn, thanks for having me. Do you think theres any chance john kasich is really in this to support donald trump . Your question is a great question, but its absurd. Absolutely absurd. I think john has been on a record standing out equivocally that he wants a fair process and i think if you take a look at the entire landscape, why would he not position himself this way . Because the more in this particular situation he can drop trump cruz, he can also trump trump. No one is going to go to this convention with the magic number. So hes being strategic. You cant read too much into the actions about supporting one guy or another, being strategic for himself. Absolutely. I think unequivocally, people need to remember history in itself. Remember lincoln wasnt picked until the third round, so truthfully, this can be you were talking about it earlier, what happens to the delegates after the first vote . All bets are off. Thats why theres this article in the Huffington Post eight reasons why the gop ticket will be kasich rubio they said. Trump is not going to get it in the first one. They said if you think the establishment is going to go for ted cruz, youre crazy. Correct. Theyre going to look at one thing, who can beat hillary, and they say thats where john kasich comes in. You look at the numbers, the numbers are actual factual. If its kasich against Hillary Clinton, he crushes her. If its kasich against bernie, he bernies got an opportunity there but i think if we get into the general election and theyre both running, i think kasich will close that gap. Two points on that, number one is people on the trump team and on cruz say kasich hadnt gotten it that bad, hes never been the frontrunner so he didnt have all the cannons aimed at him so his numbers would go down and those matchups would not be as favorable to him. The other thing they say, ted cruz said to me recently the republican nominee is not going to be a guy who lost 49 states. Yeah, but also take a look at the fact neither one of the Donald Trumps<\/a> complaints are par for the course. Donald has been yelling and screaming. A lot of whining. And the latest thing he seized upon is when people vote against him, theyre stealing the election. Its a really odd notion. In moments we have two big guests. Trump adviser Steven Miller<\/a> and former secretary of education, bill bennett. First, Trace Gallagher<\/a> explains why all the controversy. Trace . Megyn, the Trump Campaign<\/a> says its very confident he will get the 1,237 delegates needed to win the nomination and yet donald trump is arguing he shouldnt need 1,237 saying whoever gets the most should automatically win. Trump believes the process, as you pointed out, is crooked and rigged against him and he points to what happened this weekend in colorado where ted cruz completed his sweep of colorados 34 delegates. Heres trump on fox friends. The people out there are going crazy, the denver area and colorado, itself. Theyre going absolutely crazy because they werent given a vote. Even some colorado gop Party Leaders<\/a> admit their state process for choosing National Delegates<\/a> is confusing and excludes way too many voters. But the information about the colorado contest certainly wasnt secret or as the Cruz Campaign<\/a> retweeted, the rules, were publicly available for months to people who know how to read and understand words. And its not as if the Trump Campaign<\/a> was blanketing colorado. Trump didnt put a paid staffer on the ground there until last week and when the Trump Campaign<\/a> finally distributed its list of preferred colorado delegates, the list was riddled with errors and misspellings. The trump camp blames that on getting bad information. And Donald Trumps<\/a> newly hired convention manager, paul mantefort, says the campaign will be filing several protests accusing ted cruz of not playing by the rules and using gastapo tactics. They respond accusing trump from lashing out with falsehoods to distract. Across Media Outlets<\/a> today the trump argument raged on. Is this system rigged . Is it fair . Should it stand . Rush limbaugh supported both cruz and trumps at different times. Heres his take. What happened in colorado, its not a trick, its no secret that colorado was going to choose its delegates before the primary. Its not a secret so it was left to be discovered by people who didnt know. Joining us now, Senior Adviser<\/a> to the Trump Campaign<\/a>, stephen miller, thank you for being with us tonight. What do you make of rushs take on it . Hes been very fair to mr. Trump. He thin the homework wasnt done. Well, aisim going to say something, megyn, thats extremely controversial. In america, people should get to vote for who they want to be president. I was in colorado. There was to election in colorado. Zero people voted for president in colorado. They canceled the election. I think its an important conversation for us to have right now about whether thats fair and thats right. Well, thats what youre going for. You dont think the system is fair. To be honest, i think many people didnt understand we have primaries and we have caucuses and then we have a few states that do this ot colorado does which is called, like, a Convention System<\/a> where you just elect some delegates then theyll go and figure things out. But they are going to support ted cruz in this instance. In any event, so you dont think thats fair, but fair or not, it is what the people of colorado put in place last august. Well, the people of colorado didnt put it in place. The Republican Party<\/a> of colorado canceled the election. They had election in 2012 and didnt have one in 2016. But heres why i think its unfair. Let me give a very specific example. Imagine that you are a soldier serving overseas who fought to secure iraqi elections. Remember everyone with the purple finger . You, a soldier who went overseas to iraq, she now cant vote in americas election in her home state. That just seems crazy to me. So lets say youre right and, i mean, theyve got this wacky system and the people of colorado, some of whom are very ticked off about this, say we dont like that, right . They redo it the next time around. Is there any remedy now other than just sort of saying im so glad you asked that question because something really marvelous happened tonight in albany. Albany, albany, stephen, come on. The the donald trump said that he is going to reform the rules of nominations if he becomes president of the United States<\/a>. Hell work with the rnc to do that. I think its something to celebrate. I think americans should be excited about democratic reform and if you really look at whats happening here, and look, i understand that these are the rules. We all do. But thats a weak thing to say, well they are the rules so this should never change. Whats happening here is insiders i dont know that they shouldnt change. You heard ted cruz sort of saying, hey, he knew and thats too bad and says that you dont get to come out and say its rigged when it was out there, it was changed, it was public and, you know, they just didnt win. The part that was rigged, and i dont want to get into all the anythinegatives but the part th rigged because i was there, i saw it firsthand, i was in the district delegate meetings, is i heard people shouting out loud that names were missing from ballots, numbers didnt correspond to names. They would bring up easels and say everyone write down these names which arent on the ballots and sometimes theyd hand out ballots Trump Campaign<\/a> detractors, you heard in the Trace Gallagher<\/a> report, the list of preferred Trump Delegates<\/a> in colorado was riddled with errors which they blame on team trump. I mean, shouldnt you be what i saw had nothing to do with that and my only regret is that i didnt invite the cameras of fox news into the rooms so people could see what i saw. Are we allowed in there . I dont know, actually. All right. Stlst there are a few more of these. One of the reforms we could perhaps put in after mr. Trump is elected to get fox news cameras inside the meetings so people can see. Its a date. It was chaos inside the room. I got to run. Think you for being here. Thank you. Joining us with more, bill bennett, author of the new book tried by fire the story of christianitys first thousand years. Bill, great to see you. Thanks for being here tonight. Thanks, megyn. You dont think greatness is possible in albany, dont think greatness is possible in albany . I didnt like he said albany. Thats my hometown. Its albany. Well also accept smallbany, but not albany. Got it. First nine years in syracuse, the rest in albany. I know what i speak. Question about stephen millers testimonial. Agree or disagree . I dont agree. Im not a kasich guy, trump guy, kasich guy. Last time i was any guy, it was reagan. Stephen miller cant dictate what colorado does. Thats the way they set it in up colorado. We do not have a pure democracy here. We have a constitutional republic. And states do things in different ways. Thats the way colorado decided to do it. I think the Crucial Point<\/a> is that donald trump and his people were not kept out of colorado. They could have gone in and done the exact same thing ted cruzs people did. They chose not to do it. What about his point that the people never voted for this . He said the people never got to vote. Im an alternate delegate in North Carolina<\/a> thanks to my friend, claude pope. I probably wont go because i imagine everyones going to want to go to this convention. There isnt going to be much room for alternates. But the states have different rules and the rules belong to the people who put them in place. These are the activists in the state. The people who want to get engaged. The people who want to get involved. You get to vote for president , you know, in november, and that vote counts. However, there, again, its not a pure democracy. You can ask al gore about that. He had 500,000 more votes than george bush, but he lost to george bush because the electoral college. We have a complicated and Intricate System<\/a> and its designed by people at the federal level and at the state level to get the results that they want and if you want to get engaged and involved and change it, thats what you do but you cant be a bystander and just point and say, thats not the way you do it. They decide how they want to do it. Whats happening here, the reason this is relrelevant, is because we have such a tight contest on the republican side. Sure, sure. These guys are duking it out to see whether trump can get to 1,2 1,273, not realistic cruz or kasich can get it prior to july. Cruz has been very well organized in these states that require organization. What does that tell you about this race and the parties involved . It tells you that Organization Means<\/a> a lot in politics. Ground game means a lot in politics. There you can consult Hillary Clinton<\/a> and ask her about barack obama and his ground game and something well consider again at the time of the general, but these things matter. That kind of organization, that kind of getting people out, getting their enthusiasm, getting to the caucuses. I was in instructed on what it would mean to be a delegate. By the way, all this stuff about the rnc is in charge, cruz is in charge, or trump these delegates are in charge and these are very active and smart people. When i was briefed on what it meant to be a delegate, its very complicated. You have to make a major commitment and so theyll be the people who ultimately decide it. But look, this is what happens. Its happened before in america. 76, ford reagan. It will happen again. This is red hot tempers, red tape, but its better than red blood which is what they do in other countries. What do you you know, understand the obligation, like when they talk to you about, okay, youre bound on the first vote but then its a second vote, anything could happen. Were being told delegates can be wooed, they can wine and dine you, say, bill, how would you like to come to maralago or i guess ted cruz could have you down to the ranch. What do they tell you youre allowed to take . How can they woo you appropriately . You know, this is James Madison<\/a> buying drinks, right, for the delegates in virginia, our very own founding father. All sorts of things can happen that will turn on the rules, but, yes, it was explained to me if im an alternate delegate and a delegate drops and i get that delegates position, i have to vote for the person on the first ballot whom that delegate supports and if that person was john kasich or marco rubio or someone weve forgotten by now, i still have to do that. Thats my obligation. What about my right to vote for who i want to . Thats now how the system is set up. What do you think of the odds of them parachuting in somebody not running for president right now to step in . I think theyre small. You know, i think theyre small, but ill tell you, this is a crazy year. Anything can happen. But its in the hands of the delegates. I know a lot of these delegates and frankly, i trust them. Ive been all over this country. Ive met with tons of delegates. Id rather see it in their hands. Theyre like the republican phonebook, you know, that bill buckley talked about. Ill take them over the experts. Fascinating. Bill, great to see you. Good luck with the book. Thank you, megyn. While trump was accusing ted cruz of cheating, there are new reports that john kasich may be trying to help donald trump win this nomination. Montel williams just came out for kasich. Hes here on that. Plus, president obamas now trying to argue that mrs. Clinton broke no secrecy rules with her email. But one of the president s former top intel guys says his old boss is very wrong. And general Michael Flynn<\/a> is here to tell us why. And then, theres an explosive new claim about 28 highly classified pages from the 9 11 report that could prove one of our allies may have been helping the attackers. Former senator bob graham has seen them. Not many people have. Hes here on why he thinks these pages must be released. You will find out who really knocked down the World Trade Center<\/a> because they have papers in there that are very secret. You may find its the saudis, okay, but you will find out. A digital notebook to capture investing ideas that instantly gives you stock prices, earnings, and dividends. An equity summary score that consolidates the stock ratings of top analysts into a single score. And 7. 95 online u. S. Equity trades, lower than td ameritrade, schwab, and etrade, you realize the smartest investing idea isnt just what you invest in, but who you invest with. Quite like the human foot. Introducing the 255 horsepower lexus is 300 allwheeldrive. With twentyfive percent more base horsepower. Once driven, theres no going back. Came out today thousands of people to run the race for retirement. So we asked them. Are you completely prepared for retirement . Okay, mostly prepared . Could you save 1 more of your income . It doesnt sound like much, but saving an additional 1 now, could make a big difference over time. Im going to be even better about saving. You can do it, it helps in the long run. Prudential bring your challenges breaking tonight. We are seeing new reports that gop frontrunner donald trump may be getting some help from one of his opponents. Some pundits are suggesting that Governor John Kasich<\/a> is making moves that appear designed specifically to help trump. Trace gallagher live in our west coast newsroom. Trace . Megyn, john kasich believes both donald trump and ted cruz would get killed in the election by Hillary Clinton<\/a> and says he is the only one who can beat her. Kasich also knows he stands zero chance of winning the nomination in the primaries but is staying in the race because during a contested convention, he thinks delegates would see he is the most electable. Heres kasich. So what we really need to do is get these people, these critics to get behind me and get their people to drop out so we can actually beat Hillary Clinton<\/a>. Political analyst Seth Abramson<\/a> writes in the Huffington Post<\/a> he thinks well end up with a Kasich Marco Rubio<\/a> ticket because theyd appeal to mainstream republicans, tea partyers, along with nonwhite voters and many young voters. Of course theres the sticky issue of marco rubio who dropped out a month ago still having more delegates than john kasich. Now many are wondering about the possibility of john kasich being Donald Trumps<\/a> running mate. Over the weekend, the Kasich Campaign<\/a> actually teamed up with the Trump Campaign<\/a> in michigan to help trumps delegates get Committee Positions<\/a> at the Gop Convention<\/a> in july. Positions that would otherwise have gone to ted cruz. Kasichs team says they helped out trump because ted cruz is trying to scoop up too many delegates. Analysts say the favor to trump may mean nothing, or it could mean if given a choice, kasich would take trump over cruz. Megyn . Trace, thank you. Joining me now with more, Montel Williams<\/a> whos an activist, former tv host, former Naval Intelligence<\/a> officer, and a supporter of president ial candidate Governor John Kasich<\/a>. Great to see you, montel. Good to see you, too, megyn, thanks for having me. Do you think theres any chance john kasich is really in this to support donald trump . Your question is a great question, but its absurd. Absolutely absurd. I think john has been on a record standing out equivocally that he wants a fair process and i think if you take a look at the entire landscape, why would he not position himself this way . Because the more in this particular situation he can drop trump cruz, he can also trump trump. No one is going to go to this convention with the magic number. So hes being strategic. You cant read too much into the actions about supporting one guy or another, being strategic for himself. Absolutely. I think unequivocally, people need to remember history in itself. Remember lincoln wasnt picked until the third round, so truthfully, this can be you were talking about it earlier, what happens to the delegates after the first vote . All bets are off. Thats why theres this article in the Huffington Post<\/a> eight reasons why the gop ticket will be kasich rubio they said. Trump is not going to get it in the first one. They said if you think the establishment is going to go for ted cruz, youre crazy. Correct. Theyre going to look at one thing, who can beat hillary, and they say thats where john kasich comes in. You look at the numbers, the numbers are actual factual. If its kasich against Hillary Clinton<\/a>, he crushes her. If its kasich against bernie, he bernies got an opportunity there but i think if we get into the general election and theyre both running, i think kasich will close that gap. Two points on that, number one is people on the trump team and on cruz say kasich hadnt gotten it that bad, hes never been the frontrunner so he didnt have all the cannons aimed at him so his numbers would go down and those matchups would not be as favorable to him. The other thing they say, ted cruz said to me recently the republican nominee is not going to be a guy who lost 49 states. Yeah, but also take a look at the fact neither one of the Democratic Candidates<\/a> ever bring up kasichs name, and why . Its fear. They talk about the guy theyre really afraid of, theyll make everybody else understand his legitimacy behind the kasich camp. They know hes the guy that can beat them, so i really think this is all strategic and strategic on the democratic side also. You know, the Republican Party<\/a> has this problem, its had this problem repeatedly where theres a candidate who matches up well against the democrat in the general election but that candidate cannot get out of the republican primary. I dont know that theyve figured out for themselves what the issue is. You know, for years people have been saying, we need to nominate a true conservative and thats the person who ted cruz is still making that argument. But so many others in the party this year are saying we dont care about conservatism, we want somebody to blow up the system. They want a reagan republican. Listen to what a reagan republican is. Hes a person thats inclusive, hes a person that listens. Hes a person that works with both sides to see if he can come up with a solution. That was the republican i was. I left the Republican Party<\/a> after Ronald Reagan<\/a> because the Republican Party<\/a> left me. Now im an independent. But for the first time, i actually see a candidate thats looking at america the day after the election. Not the day of. 30 seconds left. Sure. Why dont you like cruz . Why dont you like trump is. I will tell you, my perspective, most of the military people ive talken to, i cannot vote for donald trump. Hes a person, literally, his responsibility and sought a deferment at a time when there were people in this country dying and wrote about how lucky he was to get away with that being able to chase women, one, and now he wants to be the commander in chief and send other peoples children off to die, not happening. He said he had an injury yeah, whatever, okay . Thats really he also wrote about the fact that he got away with that in his book. And im so sorry, i just do believe that mr. Cruz represents the mindset of anybody in america. Except his own. Montel williams. Great to see you. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Further updates to follow. Coming up, president obama is setting off some alarms with his new effort to defend secretary clinton on her email scandal. One of the president s former intel guys, one of the top guys, Lieutenant General<\/a> Michael Flynn<\/a> is here tonight on why he thinks his old boss is very, very wrong here and out of line. Plus, a new book takes us back to 1995 and some behind the scenes from when thenfirst lady Hillary Clinton<\/a> decided to stand by her husband. The author reveals why she did it. Coming up. Millions of women worldwide trust tena with their bladder matters. Thanks to its triple protections from leaks, odor and moisture. Tena lets you be you everything your family touches sticks with them. Make sure the germs they bring home dont stick around. Use clorox disinfecting products. Because no one kills germs better than clorox. Type 2 diabetes doesnt care who you are. Man. Woman. Or where youre from. City. Country. Were just everyday people fighting high blood sugar. 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In an interview on Fox News Sunday<\/a> yesterday Chris Wallace<\/a> asked president obama to weigh in on the Ongoing Investigation<\/a> into mrs. Clintons private email server. The president could have declined to answer saying he wanted to avoid influencing an open case, instead we heard this. Heres what i know. Hillary clinton was an outstanding secretary of state. She would never intentionally put america in any kind of jeopardy. Theres stuff that is really top secret, top secret. And theres stuff that is being presented to the president or the secretary of state you might not want on the transit going out over the wire but basically stuff you could get in open source. Last october you were prepared to say she hadnt jeopardized. The question is can you still say that . I continue to believe she has not jeopardized Americas National<\/a> security. In moments well hear from one of president obamas former top intelligence officers, Lieutenant General<\/a> Michael Flynn<\/a>, on that statement. But first we go to chief intelligence correspondent live tonight in washington. Reporter megyn, as part of our fact check we had a former Senior Intelligence<\/a> official weigh in on the president s suggestion that some classified information is more deserving of its topsecret label. We were told that even if highly classified information shows up in the new york times, a security clearance holder is still obligated to protect it and neither confirm nor deny the news reports accuracy. If i see what has been deemed classified information no matter what level it is in open media, it is my responsibility not to acknowledge it. And we checked out mr. Obamas statement to Chris Wallace<\/a> that mrs. Clinton did not intentionally Harm National Security<\/a> and we learned today it was not based on information from the fbi or justice department. The president has neither sought nor received a confidential briefing or confidential information about the Ongoing Investigation<\/a>. The publics knowledge is based entirely on public reporting. In our ongoing reporting of the clinton email investigation here at fox has shown that mr. Obama, himself, exchanged 19 emails with thensecretary of state clinton using her personal email account. The emails dont contain classified information but still arent public because they involved executive branch discussions. Experts now question whether mr. Obama has a personal conflict. If theres the possibility, and it looks like theres evidence that he was in some sense involved in what happened, was aware of what happened, could potentially be a witness to what happened, he shouldnt be making public statements prejudging the outcome of something he could have personal involvement in. Today the white house acknowledged that mr. Obama knew that clinton email address but didnt know about her private server, megyn. Thank you. The president also raising eyebrows with his declaration that mrs. Clinton has not put the country at risk. I continue to believe that she has not jeopardized Americas National<\/a> security. Now what ive always said is that, and shes acknowledged, that theres a carelessness in terms of managing emails that she has owned and she recognizes. Joining me now, Lieutenant General<\/a> Michael Flynn<\/a>, president obamas former director of the Defense Intelligence<\/a> agency. They provide intelligence to the military. General, good to see you tonight. Hi, megyn, how are you . Im very curious to get your thoughts. You were the first person i thought of when i heard this yesterday. Your reaction to the president s comments . Yeah. Well, first of all, the president should have either gone into that sbrir and told Chris Wallace<\/a> im not going to answer anything on this account because its under investigation. Theres a very, very Serious Investigation<\/a> going on and there are at least from what i understand, at least 100 fbi ajea je gents involved in this thing. The interesting thing, though, megyn, for the president to use the word carelessness, i mean, so theres a you know, if its classified, its classified, period, you know, like the president says, stop all engines kind of thing. This issue of carelessness that the president raised, so he made he sort of made this point, you know, so were careless with highly classified intelligence, were careless with, what, the decision to go into libya . He also talked a little bit about that. Were careless this is now Hillary Clinton<\/a>, were careless with the russian reset, were careless with the pivot to the pacific . So if theres a persistence of carelessness which means youre prone to making mistakes and you have a judgment problem, the other thing that i think that exists here is the lack of accountability and i think despite what the president said about shes owned up to it, theres just such incredible lack of accountability for the use of highly classified information and intelligence thats at the highest levels of our government and we know she knew that she is a target of nation states like russia, china, et cetera, and, i mean, we hear more and more about this kind of stuff these days. To me, its just unbelievable that the fact that the president , the president said she was careless and i agree with him. She was very careless. That carelessness to me is also an indifference and, frankly, a lack of accountability. Lets talk about your view on whether shes jeopardized our National Security<\/a> or not. This was your industry, your business for many years. Do you agree with the president . Is he able to say that . I dont agree with the president , not one bit. I do not agree with the president of the United States<\/a> saying, he should not have said it, he should have stayed away from it because its under investigation. The potential here to have a divulged highly classified information as has been described by the state department, by the Inspector General<\/a> from the National Intelligence<\/a> community, that there has been a basically an exposure of highly classified information on an unclassified capability meaning her you believe the chinese could have accessed it and others . Yeah, hey, look, megyn, whenever i had to travel overseas, i had to change my entire system and i never used a personal device, anyway, because the government would issue me a classified means to communicate. Why did Hillary Clinton<\/a> believe that she was above that . I dont know. Thats something that theyre going to find out in the investigation and thats going to lead to some other problems for her, but what did you make of the president s statement that, you know, theres top secret, then theres top secret. Yeah, its you know, its classified or its not, and we now know that there are highly classified, you know, emails that she shared, like he says, when something goes over the transom, president said this, over the transom or through the wires, lets not make light of this. This is unbelievable. This sun precedented for a member of the Senior Member<\/a> of the National Security<\/a> council, the secretary of state to do this, and all these excuses about, well, other secretaries have done this in the past. No, they have not. Not in the way that we have seen Hillary Clinton<\/a> do this. And frankly, because i just dont think that she feels that shes accountable to the people of this country, frankly, certainly to those of us that have that have done this for a living and she had many, many people in the department of state that were willing to work on her behalf to do the kinds of things that were the right things to do and megyn, theyre the right things to do but theyre absolutely the right things to do and she decided that she didnt need to follow those rules. And that, you know, makes me that makes me angry as an american that she felt like she did not have to follow the rules that the rest of us in government had to follow. General flynn, thank you for being here. Thanks, megyn. Within 24 hours of that interview with the president , the washington, d. C. , based website, politico, published a report that reveiewed dozens of alleged mishandling of classified records and concluded it is highly unlikely that mrs. Clinton will face any charges here. We asked judge Andrew Napolitano<\/a> to review the poreport. Judge, what are they saying . Theyre basically saying this kind of case would not typically be prosecuted. The cases on which they relied are cases of oneoffs, cases of people making mistakes, people leaving things in their briefcase and taking the briefcase home. Alberto gonzalez did that with classified information in the briefcase, brought it back and realized he had done so and selfreported. They cant find anything of this magnitude of 2,200 emails that are confidential, secret, or top secret. 65 that are secret or top secret. 22 that are top secret. Four that are so secret the fbi agents are investigating cant look at them because they lack the security clearance. Two points, shes saying what the president is saying is which dont believe that. When you get a look at these, youll see these are not the be all, end all. Theres things you could have seen and did see in some instances in the paper but they had been labeled top secret and they werent really. Thats number one. And secondly, she says this was all as a result of, you know, carelessness. Inadvertent on her. She never intentionally gave anybody classified info. That is very, very dangerous for her to say that. General flynn is correct, its very dangerous for the president to say. Heres why. Espionage. The removal of state secrets from a secure place to a nonsecure place is one of the few federal crimes that can be proven by negligence. Now, its not simple carelessness, its gross negligence. But i suggest to you, heres where the politico article was off the wall. It wasnt even remotely near this. If you do this, regularly, consistently, and systemically 2,200 times over the course of 4 years and you dont care that you removed National Secrets<\/a> from a secure venue, the place that sent them to her, to a nonsecure venue, the server in the basement of her house, that is gross negligence. On top of that, there are two emails from her from which the government could argue intent. One email that said, remove the secret marking on it. Send it from your fax to my fax, nobody will know the difference. That shows an intention to break the law. She could have declassified it because it was a state department she couldnt because she wasnt the author of the document. Thats different. I want to ask you this, though. Was president obama obviously wallace asked him to do it, doesnt mean he had to do it. He commented on it in a way some people are saying, you know, youre sending a message it the doj, you know, like, no there, there. Got me . I dont think he can do that with the professional cadre of fbi agents that have been assigned to this case. What about the doj . Well, i agree with general flynn and agree with the lawyer just interviewed. It is reprehensible for the president to have answered those questions. Heres why. Because he may be a witness in this case. He has an absolute conflict if he is the officer who decides whether or not this evidence is presented to a grand jury. The conflict is do i want to expose myself to this or not want to expose myself to that . When you have that personal involvement in a case, withdryot be the Decision Maker<\/a> and for the president to have opined she was a great attorney general, her emails didnt harm anybody. Harm isnt the test here. Her greatness or the absence of it isnt the test here. The test here is that she knowingly, regularly, consistently and systemically exposed National Secrets<\/a> to the gaze of those that would harm us. The answer is yes. He spoke to that, too, said she never would have intentionally done that. Got to go. Great to see you, judge. Great to see you. Theres an explosive new claim about 28 highly classified pages from the 9 11 report. Did you see 60 minutes last night . That could prove that one of our allies may have been helping our attackers. Former senator bob graham is one of the few who has seen these documents. Hes here next on why he thinks they must be released. Dont miss this. I use whats already inside me to reach my goals. So i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating whats within me. With onceweekly trulicity. Trulicity is not insulin. It helps activate my body to do what its supposed to do release its own insulin. Trulicity responds when my blood sugar rises. I take it once a week, and it works 24 7. It comes in an easytouse pen and i may even lose a little weight. 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New details on an explosive claim about pages from the a 9 11 report that could prove our allies in saudi arabia may have been helping the attackers. The pages have been locked up for 13 years viewed only by a select few. Now some of those folks want them released. I think it is implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didnt speak english, most of whom had never been in the United States<\/a> before, many of whom didnt have a high school education, could have carried out such a complicated task without some support from within the United States<\/a>. And you believe that the 28 pages are crucial to this . They are a key part. The 9 11 Commission Report<\/a> says that saudi arabia has long been considered the primary source of al qaeda funding through its wealthy citizens and charities with significant government sponsorship. But the sentence that got the most attention when the report came out is this. We have found no evidence that the saudi government as an institution or senior saudi officials individually funded the organization. Attorney sean carter says its the most carefully crafted line in the 9 11 Commission Report<\/a> and the most misunderstood. When they say that we found no evidence that senior saudi officials individually funded al qaeda, they conspicuously leave open the potential they found evidence people who were officials that they did not regard as senior officials had done so. Reporter john layman, secretary of the navy in the reagan administration, says he and the others make up a solid majority of former 9 11 commissioners who think the 28 pages should be made public. It was no accident that 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudis. Day all went to saudi schools. They learned from the time they were first able to go to school of this intolerant brand of islam. Cbs and 60 minutes doing an explosive report there. Bob graham is former chairman of the Senate Select<\/a> committee on intelligence and former cochair, the inquiry into intelligence failures surrounding the 9 11 attacks. Thanks for being here. Thank you, megyn. You want the 28 pages released. Youve seen them. What are you at liberty to tell us about them . Not much because i am still under an oath that i took not to disclose classified information, but it has been said publicly that this chapter primarily relates to who financed 9 11 and that it points a finger at saudi arabia. When you look at that statement that was in the 9 11 report saying we found no evidence that the saudi government as an institution or senior saudi officials individually funded the organization, you can drive a truck through that sentence, there are a lot of holes in there. Senior saudi officials which doesnt rule out nonsenior saudi officials or the government as something other than acting as an institution. And one of the things that makes this even more confusing is that the concept of sovereign immunity, that is the king can do no wrong and, therefore, you cannot sue the king, has been used by saudi arabia not only to cover the official government, but also charities, private foundations, religious organizations. All had been put under the umbrella of sovereign immunity, so the question of where does the government end and the rest of the Saudi Society<\/a> again is very murky. So that explains their motivation for trying to, you know, potentially obfuscate the facts but what is our motivation . Why would the United States<\/a> not be releasing this information and letting us all know whether our allies were, in fact, behind this attack . Megyn, i think thats inexplicable. There was some reasons to suggest why under the Bush Administration<\/a> they might have wanted to have avoided this disclosure, such as we were looking to saudi arabia for substantial amount of intelligence and other assistance in the period after 9 11. The bush family had had a close relationship with the house of saud going back for three generations. Why under the Obama Administration<\/a> they have continued this policy when there is mounting evidence not just the 28 pages, but other issues that have involved the saudis and 9 11, which, to me, makes it not only disrespectful to the American People<\/a> not to allow them to have the transparency of knowing what their government has done in their name when it does not involve a National Security<\/a> risk. In fact, i think it actually increases our vulnerability because it allows the saudis to continue vulnerability because allows the saudis to continue feeling that theres no sanction against them to fund terrorist activities and to train the next generation of terrorist in mosque and madrassas, schools financed by saudi arabia. White house is reviewing it again. Well stay on it. Senator, thank you for being here. Great. Thank you very much. And up next, a new book dishes on whens described as an icy relationship of First Lady Michelle Obama<\/a> and Hillary Clinton<\/a>. The author tells us what the story is next. I am totally blind. I lost my sight in afghanistan. If youre totally blind, you may also be struggling with non24. Calling 8448442424. Or visit my24info. Com. Whats going on here . Im val, the orange money retirement squirrel from voya. Were putting away acorns. You know, to show the importance of saving for the future. So youre sort of like a Spokes Person<\/a> . More of a spokes metaphor. Get organized at voya. Com. First on the kelly file tonight, revealing new information about the often mysterious lives of tbt new ladies. A new book details the scandals, unlikely friendships and bitter feuds among the women of the white house. Joining me now, author of first women Kate Anderson<\/a> brower. Great to see you. Great do see you. And her first book is amazing. Lets talk about the first women. You have juicy nuggets and starts with the premise that what . Flys a sisterhood that transcends political party. You know, you have republicans or friends with democrats, hillary and michelle, for instance, not getting along so well and two democrats who you would expect to get along and then Lady Bird Johnson<\/a> with betdy ford and a framed picture on her bedside table. They know what its like to be in the white house. Youre a wife, a mother. You campaigned very hard for your husband. Go through the tumultuous campaigns. You talk about the 2008 election when Hillary Clinton<\/a> cried before new hampshire. And an aide to laura bush said, thats a publicity stunt. Laura bush, said you have no idea what its like. Michelle obama said im proud of my country for the first time and laura bush in an interview said, you know, she probably didnt mean to say it quite like that. So she came to michelles defense again and you see that again and again. A class act. Yes. Why dont michelle and hillary like each other or why is it cold . She looks at them like a political dynasty. Michelle is anxious to get out. Hillary clinton cant wait to get back into the white house and incredibly different women and then speaks to that, you know, hillary and michelle really have very little in common but yet michelle has so much more in common with laura. Well stand you by with more in the break and well be right back with kate. And coordination come together to deliver a customized mortgage experience. Quicken loans. Home buy. 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