Messages lend credence to the message wealthy donors paid for favors for americas top diplomats and ordinary americans are left to fend for themselves. My work as secretary of state was not influenced by the outside forces. I made policy decisions based on what i thought was right. I know there is a lot of smoke and no fire. In a moment, well speak with former Justice Department lawyer shannon kauffman. First, we go to trace ghallager with the details, trace . If youre connecting dots, this line of emails continues to draw a bold line and were given to abc news by the Group Citizens united. In one exchange top clinton officials talk about special seating for a up coming state Department Lunch and names names including Western Union ceo and Rockefeller Foundation president dr. Judith roden, requesting that roden be seated at Vice President joe bidens table to which huma abedin responded, quote, ill ask. When asked about the Clinton Foundation trying to get prime seats to a lunch for a foreign dignitary the sfat Department Said quote, they do not believe it is inappropriate. The Clinton Campaign called Citizens United a quote, right wing group trying to make something out of nothing. There is a notion someone who is an activist saying i want to meet people, we often criminalize behavior that is normal. I dont see what the smoke is. The state Department Says they cannot tell whether or not they did or did not attend the lunch with the chinese president. Joining us now, former chief Legal Council for Vice President cheney. Good to see you. Got to hand it to her on the honesty front. I like donna brazil but its not going to fly with the American People to say look, everyone is fought off and they get ready for the state department and set themselves up in a way regular americans dont. You say it might be criminal. Well, look. Their game is there is only smoke. A lot of people die from smoke inhalation. Smoke is the problem here and there are, look. In addition to what trace discussed we saw the crown prince of ba hane is going through the Clinton Foundation when normal channels had prevented him from doing so and it was the same channel. You have doug ban sending the people he wants to see at this luncheon, and gives three names, and then, he asked about this one person in particular saying can we get her at bidens table . I mean, this is what trump has been trying to tap into saying she owes so many favors to people that donating to her foundation that you can never get an honest judgment from her. You say it may be criminal. Why would you go that far . There is a back door here normal citizens dont have. If you make a contribution, youre more likely to get access to Hillary Clinton in the state department. There are at least three different categories of laws which may be implicated. One, ethics in Government Act says you cant use Public Office for private gain for yourself or a charity. So in giving special access to the donors for the Clinton Foundation, ethics in Government Act is implicated. How does hillary gain . Well, that is not what the law requires. It doesnt require money gets into hillarys pockets. It could be enough that her Foundation Gets more money. Second one is the antibribery laws. How could that be violated . Well, look. This is the hardest group approved. You have to have a quid pro quo and youve seen just setting up, say, you know sitting someone at a luncheon may not be enough, but the federal government if the shoe were on the other foot here and you were giving money to a foreign charity, the polish secretary of state, the u. S. Government will prosecute that u. S. Company. And that is exactly what we have here. That is called foreign practices act and so for people seeking access to Hillary Clinton by giving money to a charity, there is a grounds for prosecution for those givers, okay . Whether or not Hillary Clinton with get reached by those, there is a lot more facts that have to be developed. You can see tenticles for the Clinton Foundation when the foundation says hes our friend. Can you get a meeting with Hillary Clinton and huma says friday, 10 00 a. M. , the foundation could be an unregistered foreign agent. When an agent for a Foreign Government or Foreign Company goes before the u. S. Government and seeks favors that person is supposed to register with the Justice Department. I got it. That didnt happen here. So not going through the bidding at our state department. Great to see you. Good to see you, too. Do you get it . Right . Its complex. This is why people leave it, right, was it improper . Potentially illegal . A poll suggested this Foundation Story is becoming bigger saying mrs. Clinton gave special treatment to Foundation Donors and they believe she did. Good to see you both. Why is the Clinton Foundation telling hillarys right hand woman where they should be seated . This is whether youre democrats or republicans, people play into the white house and we thought halliburton had no missed contracts in the iraq war. And before we go and penalize the global fund, lets talk about the good things theyve done, right . That is not a dispute. That is a dodge, richard. Were not talking about whether the Clinton Foundation did good things. Hillary clinton used it to get donations to it which is not allowed. Hillary clinton wasted no time on n. Converting the state department into a full pledged partner of the Clinton Foundation. What is the proof . A tape placed after her confirmation. They said look. The irs wants detailed information of our off shore accounts. Can you help us with that . She gets that cut out. What happens right after she takes care of that problem . That uvs donates 10 times as much money to the Clinton Foundation and suddenly, bill clint ongets a lucrative contract to do question and answer sessions with ubs executives. Richard that happened. But the couple problems, in this analysis, Hillary Clinton has no power over the irs. Just because her husband got a speaking gig from ubs does not mean the secretary of state was implicated in any it is an unusual intervention on her part. Not to mention the fact that in thethe lawyer talked about the amendment, right . The people that went to the china dinner have business involvement in china. Rockefeller foundation. That is why they want herd to get them in. But that is the job for secretary of state. To hobby for americans and american businesses. That is a good point. That is her job. To lobby for american businesses. And for the American People. Megyn there is not going to be a prosecution because of the fact that Loretta Lynchs boss endorsed Hillary Clinton. The reality there may be no legal consequences from what happened here, this bribery, this racketeering, that is what it was, there will be political consequences. Polls are starting to show that and donald trump is moving up in the polls. I dont know what youre talking about, but okay. All polls show Hillary Clinton is ahead size bli, number one. And number two, number two, is that donald trump has more problems than o. J. Simpson when it comes to being president of the United States, so there, you have it. More issues than a magazine rack would have been easier. I was trying for analysis. Great to see you both. There are new, dramatic questions about what some call the original Campaign Promise from donald trump. Were going to build a wall and who is going to pay for that wall . Is that wall crumbling . Right in front of our eyes . 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Well, with trumps much awaited speech on immigration scheduled to happen just 48 hours from right now, were now hearing new questions about whether that wall he has so proudly promised is actually going to be a real wall. First trump supporter and former Texas Governor rick perry was suggesting last month that its a quote, technological and, quote, digital wall. And today trump confidant rully jul jew giuliani was suggesting a little of both. We hear 35 feet high with and with technology that can detect people five, six miles away. Chief Political Correspondent carl cameron is live for us tonight in san francisco. Carl . Reporter hi, megyn. It is the case that donald trump has said much of what he enunciates on the campaign trail could ultimately be viewed as a bargaining position because hes going to make deals and get ing thises done. And in fact he himself has said that the wall in some places wouldnt be practical because theres topography problems, lots of mountains that would make it difficult to build a wall, and that technology would be much more better suited to work in those situations. Those are the sorts of asides he has offered in the past in his unscripted, untelepromptered remarks about Immigration Reform. The wednesday speech now has that added to the list of questions because over the course of the last two and a half to three weeks, donald trump has been particularly cautious in his rhetoric and put an awful lot of pressure on his surrogates to explain exactly whats going to happen on the other two sort of foundational points of his immigration policy. One, hes already revised his proposal for a ban on new muslim visitors or immigrants to the u. S. On a temporary basis. Thats now turned into extreme vetting. And the question about what to do about the undocumented immigrants that are in this country, the Illegal Immigrants that hes promised to deport with a deportation force. On that, the question is still open, and many of his advisers have suggested that that softened rhetoric that he talked about sean hannity with could make it possible for some Illegal Immigrants to stay in this country, albeit not with legalization. For that theyd have to go home. All of these are questions we presume will be answered on wednesday when hell go to phoenix for a teleprompter speech to deal with questions that may court independent swing voters at the same time they alienate the base when he made this type of Immigration Reform the signature of his campaign. Joining me now, former gop president ial candidate governor Mike Huckabee. What is the point of surrogates coming out and talking about, you know why not just stick with hes going to build a wall . Why is anybody injecting its going to be a Technology Wall here, a virtual wall there . Sometimes surrogates go out and forget theyre not the candidate, and they may make a statement but this surrogate is the former governor of texas. He knows better than most. Right. Rick perry used to talk a lot about the fact that a good bit of the wall on the texas side of the border would be, in fact, electronic. If youve been to the border and i think you have, and ive been to the san diego border and to the texas border. Theres some places where a physical wall, fence is very, very significant. The best one that we have is the one around san diego. Its the one that stopped illegal immigration by 90 since it was built. Its been tremendous. Its not only physical, iso ele. So its not an eitheror, its a both and. So when people say that so what is the need to sort of come out and tweak the issue just as trump is getting poked himself for softening the issue of what were going to do with the 11 million Illegal Immigrants . Is this all about outreach to socalled moderates or people who arent already on the trump train . I dont think the surrogates are serving donald trump very well if they try to undermine his basic message, which is the wall. But the Bigger Picture here and i think a lot of people are losing sight of this is that is there is a real clear choice in the issue of immigration. Donald trump is going to build a wall. Donald trump is going to end sanctuary cities. Zru donald trump is going to make sure that we have a clear direction about who is coming into this country. Hillary clinton is for sanctuary cities. Shes for open borders. Shes going to be the Angela Merkel of the United States. I mean i think its pretty clear that if you want open borders and sanctuary cities, you go with hillary. If you want strong borders and if you want someone to actually enforce our laws, you want donald trump. Thats what its going to come down to, and what the surrogates say, its not going to make that much difference. Governor, great to see you. With all due respect to yourself as a surrogate. Thanks a bunch. Also with us tonight, ben dom niche. Ben, good to see you. You tell me whether this is just a coincidence or this is a message that was intentionally put out there to wouldbe trump voters who are, like, hes too hard line. You know, im not sure there was a lot of thought put into this from the perspective of the sloganeering, but this is an example of slogans running smack into a brick wall of their own in the sense that the slogan of building the wall sounds very nice. But if youve been along the border as i have with texas senator john cornyn back in the day, you know that the topography there actually is challenging when it comes to building a wall. In fact much of the issue is about half the border, which is made up of the rio grande in texas, would the situation if you built a wall there as high and significant as the one trump has described t would cut off texas land owners access to the water there. Thats something i think would prevent it. Thats what rick perry was saying. This is going to be 1,200 miles from brownsville to el paso, 30 foot high. Listen, i know you cant do that. But the question is whether we are seeing an overall softening, whether its, you know, in combination if there were sort of a one off, a clarification of what exactly the wall is. But it comes on the heels of trump saying to hannity last week, theres going to be a softening. He kind of tried to dial it out but he was already well out on that limb. Now its were going to secure the border first, and then only after thats skier are we going to talk about the 11 million, which sounds really familiar. Ive heard that elsewhere. I have as well. The thing to keep in mind is why people want a want in the first place. You can tell whether a wall is there or not. Its not a group of bureaucrats in washington saying the border is secure. Its either there or it isnt. Thats why voters have supported and it thats the reason he became the republican nominee. But on the 11 million, that position of we secure the border first and then we talk about the 11 million is basically what everybody single candidate running for president had on the republican side, is it not . It really is, and its one of the reasons why i think that you see the kind of muddying now, the confusion among some of trumps supporters who are basically saying to themselves was he just trying to pull another con job on this, is this a situation where we can trust him on this issue . Were going to hear more about it from the candidate himself on wednesda