Its been fighting isis by itself over the course of the last couple years. Why has it been fighting isis, isil by itself . Why . Because your boss overruling most of his advisors including secretary of state hillary clinton. Talking points wonders if john kerry understands he just put his boss in a bad place the National Media understands the war plan is folly. There is not a single military advisor that came to you and said you can defend isis and syria without combat troops. That is a fact. That is what we need congress to do now. Were seeing Good Progress on this thing is to put together support for what the president called a title ten of programs to train and equip Syrian Opposition on the Ground Fighting isil. Swell. But it is the truth. Syrian opposition is not going to defend isis or anyone else. Theyre far too weak and disorganized no matter what we do. Again, everybody in the International Arena knows that. So why are we playing this game . Why . Answer to that question is complicated and rooted in fear. President obama does not want a wide war on terrorism that consumes his administration he wants small ball. But when a rise of the isis nazi thats strategy is not enough. People dont question American Power. People need to be convinced of an american will. And so what do you think should be done . Sounds like youre saying we should be sending u. S. Ground troops. I dont think we should limit arbitrarily. No one is picturing u. S. Brigade combat teams maneuvering in the western iraqi desert. Of course. That is why the president doesnt want to put americans in harms way. Goes against his liberal belief system he wants to team up with countries around the world to get ice wris and other islamic terror organizations. Only mr. Obama does not like to use the word islamic. Okay. So lets take a look at the proposed coalition. Australia stepped up with troops in place a great ally that country is. Great britain talks a great game. But though isis beheaded a british subject over the weekend, Prime Minister cameron isnt committing much to the fight. France is doing more than britain. Saying would it take part in bombing raids against isis. France defeated islamic terror threats in africa. Germany not doing much. They set back and let the u. S. Do the hard work. Germany is a very selfish country. Italy says it might help out a bit. Turkey turns against their nato allies. That country says supplies flow through turkey and turkish air bases are close but turks fear jihadists because so many of those nuts are living in that country. Turkey might help, but quietly. Egypt might help a little. Saudi arabia says syrians can train on its soil. Jordan, lebanon, other small muslim countries will do a little. Qatar remains quite the problem, it says its a friend to america but money says differently president obama should crack down on qatar, fast. You can see any Big Coalition movement is a pipe world were living in a kourldly world. That is why islamic killers get away with what they do. Sad truth is that only the United States can lead a fight against evil. Russia, china they have power but neither nation is interested in want righting wrongs or protecting innocent people. They want more money, pouer a tight hold over their citizens. If president obama wants to protect americans and defend isis he must be a stronger president , hes wishy washy out there. Patton and grant are rolling over hes not fully engaged few nations will follow a leader who tells the enemy what he wont do. And with his record of retreat dominates his resume. We need a president ial commitment to kill terrorists whenever they may be. President obama and congress should pass a declaration of war against islamic terrorists we have to have a document that says here we come but dont invade we dont nation build or arm corrupt fighting forces we fight small, taking help from nations that are willing to give it and bringing the fight to the enemy in a variety of ways. Few american politicians would oppose a declaration of war for fear of their own careers. The factor is coming right back. Means keeping seven billion ctransactions flowing. G, and when weather hits, its data mayhem. But airlines running hp endtoend solutions are always calm during a storm. So if your business deals with the unexpected, hp big data and Cloud Solutions make sure you always know whats coming and are ready for it. Make it matter. Lots of them, right . But when you try to get one by using your travel rewards card miles. Those seats mysteriously vanish. Why . All the flights you want are blacked out. 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Its a psychological and also it gives him the Legal Authority to hunt them down. How screw a declaration of war signed by a president who says he wont commit american Ground Forces under any circumstances . He has to change his mind, human. Hume thats why we are on the air tonight. When he cease this transcript tomorrow he will go oreilly and you are right. Whether that happens, it will be a cold day in hell, bill. We told them early on they would have to bomb in syria. They are going to bomb in syria. The declaration of war absolutely against the jihadists is long overdue. It gives the power then the president , Legal Authority to go anywhere in the world and do whatever he wants to do. Go ahead. Well, look, i wouldnt resist it if it happened. Im just saying authorization from congress to go out against isis whether you call it a declaration of war or not would be quite sufficient. The question is really whether the president will do it. Think about, this bill. Suppose for an example that were able to get forces trained outside of syria to go back in there and fight. Who commands them . And who coordinates between american air power and these forces on the ground . And what happens if there is a disagreement in the command structure. What is the command structure. Where are these training bases going to be . How many can they train in a year . I heard one person said tonight in an estimate under current circumstances is that we could train about 1800 in a year. Now, that might be more, maybe less than that that gives you an idea of how. Its so ridiculous. How unformed this plan is. Its so ridiculous, we train the israeli retrain the iraqi army, all right. For a decade. And look what happened to them. All right. So, its so ridiculous to think you could take, you know, a groups of people who are fighting a guerrilla war against their own government in syria. Organize them into the army rangers. You know, it almost makes me i dont want to be cynical about this. But everyone has to know, including the president , when you throw this out to the world, it may sound okay to the intelligent people know, you are just bsing them. You are telling them im not going to do much. I will get a few of them but im not going to take them apart. There is real evidence now that the American Public kind of gets. This this polling that we are seeing where people are saying that they support what the president has announced. But by very large numbers they doubt that it can work. I heard someone on another network saying tonight that he found that contradictory. I dont. I think what that says is that people support he what is he going to do and they want him to do more because any dont think its enough. Once again, the president is in a situation where i think, you know, this is where he kind of started here, the beheadings awaken Public Opinion and moved him but didnt move him far enough to solve even the political problem is he facing. Lets talk about the ground troop situation. Because i would oppose tanks, rolling up from kuwait into baghdad and all of that i dont think thats the way to handle this thing. But, certainly special forces, cia forces, people with embedded our people on the ground embedded with the iraqi and kurdish units. Certainly that can be effective. And why president obama would oppose that, i dont think he even does. More than 1,000 u. S. Personnel in that area now. Probably 5,000 by the end of the year. So, he says one thing but he will put them in. Well, you still have to ask yourself this question. What if we do our best to train these forces and what if they go in and fight and they fail . Is the threat from isis as it is now being described by the president and members of his administration such that failure is simply not an option. If thats the case. He doesnt see it that way. Thats what concerns me and i think thats what concerns others. You have to be ready in case the enemy gets a vote on any forces arent up to the job, or we cant train them in sufficient number and time, then what are you going to do . They wont american air power. And the way the war would be constructed is they only go in with overwhelming force, american air. How with r. We going to get overwhelming support with the Syrian Rebels . You are not. Im talking about the kurds and iraqi army. Syrian rebels, forget it thats not going to happen. Do you think the kurds and iraqi army are going to fight in syria . Well, you know, its interesting. Who is going to stop them . Well, the question is who is going to stop them. Who is going to take out the headquarters in syria . Who is going to stop them if we declare war on isis . Who is going to stop those forces from going into syria . Could be the Iraqi Government doesnt want them in there. The history of the last half century is if the United States wants something done it, basically has to do it itself with support from allies. Brit hume, everybody. Directly ahead. Americans do not have faith as brilt just said that president obama can win the terror war. We will give you the latest polling and juan and Mary Katharine will weigh in. Later goldberg and watters causing all kinds of trouble. Factor is coming right back. Do . I have bayer aspirin. Im not having a heart attack, its my back. I mean bayer back body. It works great for pain. Bayer back body provides effective relief for your tough pain. Better . Yeah. Thanks for the tip i can take sip after sip on this hundred mile ride, tackling the uphill climbs, the long downhill stretches, and the bumps in between. New tena instadry. 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Joining us now from washington, Mary Katharine ham and juan williams. So, juan, i know you like the p bullishkind of towards his policies. Do you personally believe he can wage an effective terror war . Yes, i do. Thats why i was disappointed to hear you talk about reluctant warrior and folly. In fact, bill, what the president is doing, according to the polls is widely supported by the American People. They may have doubts about, you know, will this be enough, but they support what he has done so are if a. What he is doing in terms of the air strikes no, boots on the ground, you know, creating a coalition, potentially having muslims fighting muslims, thats letter and verse what the American People want done. And the American People. Did you ever hear reluctant warriors except to the extent we dont want to repeat the errors of 10 years ago and get locked intoybn some ancient dispute. As hume and i definitely pointed out, a lot of what the president said he wants to do, arming the Syrian Rebels is just foolishness, its not going to happen. Most americans dont know that they are not involved with the microof all of this. And old cliche and we have watters doing cliche at the end of the program, Mary Katharine, can you talk a good game. When you strip it away, every military analyst says the same thing. You are not going to get these guys unless you have some americans on the ground helping the other forces directing them right in to get them. Thats it. Yeah. There is a couple things going on here. Whats bullying the numbers is a Natural Inclination by americans to seat horrific acts and go were the leader in the world and is our part to step up. That is part of who we are as americans. I think there is rally around the president since going on here as well. The American People are okay with air strikes. Now, do i think juan is right that there is some ambivalence with the American People and with voters about a Long Campaign or having boots on the ground. There is also concern about this president being weary about deploying those forces and using them effectively and the idea that the president hasnt felt like he has had a strategy thus far. There has been at love waving back and forth between various different words and various different positions. I think that concerns him. There is also a really deep sense of look theres with were mistakes during the Bush Administration very costly. Once those mistakes were correct and real gains were made, thotsd gains were frittered away by this president. They are looking at the situation do we want to get into a long situation on the ground. Complicated situation. Its not like pearl harbor. Its not like its almost like vietnam in a i way. Extremely complicated on how to deal with this enemy. All americans want isis. They want them to be defeated. Im telling you, juan, if you really cut through the investor back. You cut through the bs and you get down to what the president proposed last week, it wont work. And americans instinctively know it they know it wont work. Thus the nbc wall street journal poll today. Look. You know, you are such a smart guy. I listened to you. I watch you because you are really worth spending time with. You have got to realize were talking about maybe 10, 15. Last week they said maybe its 15 or 20. Thats it. 20,000 people. And they are terrorists, they are not skilled folks. We can beat them. Thats not the issue, bill. The question is whether or not we take steps that, in fact, turn out to hurt our interests by provoking some reaction we cant anticipate. We dont know whats going to happen. Unintended consequences have to be taken into account. Im going it tell you right now. You are saying the president who is the one who should go get a declaration of war. Congress behind me. They havent done a declaration of war since world war ii. Put it to them. Let president obama lead. Your boys wont do it. You make fun you say you like obama. I dont like obama but i come on here and give you a different point of view. They all dislike me. No. I dont have any voice. Gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen lets put it out there to the president. And to the congress. Welcomes it. A declaration of war against islamic, hello terrorism. He welcomes it. But you know what . Even today, even today the republicans were saying were not going to give you the money to train the rebels. Wont do it. Wont do it. I will tell you what you have got to say about that bill. Thats a whole different thing, go ahead, Mary Katharine are. Couple things. The numbers by isis by our intelligence. About 30,000. 30,000, not 15,000. Thats a big difference. I think, look, when it comes to this kind of stuff. Ij going to disagree slightly with the very smart brit hume. People are saying they want more to be done here. I think the American People they believe in American Power but their will does need to be buieed. You have to make that argument. You have to make the case. I will take it to both of them. You have obama who doesnt want to make the case to congress and congress who is happy to not let him make the case because they do not want their names on it those people are not going to lead the American People to be in favor of a Long Campaign. Leadership in the country and isis has exploited and this so has al qaeda. They shouldnt even exist 13 years after 9 11. They shouldnt even be on the earth. We havent been able to figure out a way mainly because they are enabled by pakistan and all of these other muslim countries. And you cant declare war on islam. You cant do that but im telling you, there is a way to do. This and there is a way to send a signal to the world. But you have got to have a leader to do it . Declaration of war. Y