Post election edition. Why do you think the obama agenda lost . I dont know. The republicans; that dirty cash. Caution. You are about to enter the no spin zone. The factor begins right now. Hi im bill oreilly. Thanks for watching us tonight talking points memo. With the party on the ropes and credibility badly damaged, president obama needs an issue to regain momentum. And he believes that issue is illegal immigration. So the president has decided to take unilateral action, hoping to please hispanic americans and liberal thinkers. We need to maken]p sure tht the millions of people who are here, many who have been here for a decade or more, and have American Kids and for all practical purposes are part of our community, that they pay a fine they pay any penalties, they learn english and get to the back of the line and they have a capacity to legalize themselves here. We dont have the capacity to deport 1 is 1 million people. Now, the the Washington Post reports the president may sign the executive order shortly, talking points would not be surprised if that comes during thanksgiving week. Because that holiday symbolized by pilgrim immigrants. Be that as it may the president is trying to put the Republican Party on the defensive and things could get nasty. 6w4esruae last thing immigration fight. There is no urgency to require it to be signed right now. Best thing for the entire country is to let the congress have a0o7uju weeks to design immigration bill then if president obama doesnt like he can veto and do his executive action deal. The American Voters clearly stated they Want Congress to fix the economy. Immigration reform far down the list of priorities for most of the folks. Transfer there is a pure political play on the part of obama. Is he trying to deflect attention away from the economic record and into the conservative vs. Liberal battle. Talking points believes this is wrong. Again, not good for the country. However, do i believe some right wing hardliners are wrong as well. Injecting the fair treatment for illegal aliens. There is no question the border has to be secured before any concessions are granted. But if the Republican Congress passes legislation that seals the southern border, then humane action should be taken within the u. S. A. The biggest reason for that, is the u. S. Government has been complicit in allowing people to cross the border illegally. President reagan on, washington knew what was happening and did notoki4euu it. Thats because business makes money from illegal immigration. So, with the u. S. ] government at fault, it should now try to right some wrongs seal the bordercq People Living here illegally. Thats the border. Top story tonight from]ibdn theview. I karl rove, whats going wrong t gc here, mr. Rove. Im generally in agreement with what you have to say. Step back for a minute though and think about what the president is saying here. The president saying unless the house of represents acts in a matter of weeks, im going to take this executive action. Think about what this means. Either he is asking them to pass the senate bill. Thats one option. Pass the senate bill, take it up and pass it as is. Thats not how washington works. The houseis and senate on almost every piece of legislation come at it from slightly different ways and there is a process by which those differences are then discussed and negotiated between the two bodies. The house passes the bill. The Senate Passes the bill and goes to congress committee. It takes months to negotiate out the end of that so the president is by simply, if what he is saying is you have got to take up the senate bill and pass it with no changes, his completely ignorant of how washington works. The other thing is, you said take a couple of weeks. Think about this. We have essentially five work weeks left before the end of the year. We have thanksgiving and the Christmas Holidays intruding into this. So we have got five weeks. That means normally they would have apaamaximum of 15 session days and 20 work days that they would have between now and the end of the year. And they have got a lot to do. They have to organize themselves this week and next spent in sort of organizi÷1e themselves, having the primaries inside the caucuses so that they can elect the spherls of the two bodies, the officials of the two bodies in january. They have got a continuing resolution or omnibus to fund the government either for a couple of months or hopefully through the end of the fiscal year. They have got a bunch of stuff on their table. This is a big complex issue. Bill, do you know how big the Senate Immigration bill is . 1200 pages. More than 1,000 pages. 1200 pages. I said that the new congress should do this. Not the old congress. Sure. It doesnt have to be done now, and the reason is he wants to create chaos and throwing thosee Republican Party compromise im not going to don÷ anything. There are those people. Thats what he wants. He wants to show the nation that they made a mistake by putting the republicans in power. Thats what this is all about. You may be right. I think you are right. His intent is to get something done. Going about it all wrong. There is one other reality he has got to get used to. Om]o i was in White White House for seveng Peanut Butter and jelly. Steak for lunch, thats there. President says i want the chop tore take knee andrews. Pam it happens. He gets used to things happening. I think he has8id forgotten how washington works. He is he used to calling up harry reid do this or do that. Thats not how washington works and its not going to work that way. You have got to take a crews. Go to outcome tan. You cant go to mexico yet i havent lifted the boycott. Go over to jamaica. He knows how ita;b going to the texas coast. He has been frustrated by it for six years. This is a pure i dont want to use iteming two here but is he demagoguing the issue. Kindle the liberal spirit. Regain momentum on the left. Guess what, it isnt going to work. B, what he is ignoring is this is damaging his legacy. His choice is for the next two years to be the obstructionist in chief saying no, my way or the highway or it is to bebs nimble and a jill. He could get anaimmigration bill. I think so too. 10 years from now. He could say, im the enz who got the immigration bill done, instead of im the guy who was simply obstructionist and as a result . 0y completely sidelined the last few years. He has lost vision of the he is stubborn and angry. Thats right. Is he born and angry. All personal. Meantime the country is going to go into this big thats all you are going to hear is thisni crescendo of hatred on both sides i hope not. The republican hardliners on immigration ought to respond, not in anger, not with vitriol. Not with a hotpurn temper, the entire Republican Party ought to respond, in my opinion, with disappointment and frustration, not with he wants to draw us into this argument. The best thing to do is slide right by qq him. Mr. President you did you a wrong thing, we are going to restraining you by taking away the money to execute this plan. And we are going to go to courtb overturned. We are going to do everything we possibly can to stop you, but we are respectful way because we are not going to get drawn into your silly little game. Karl rove, everybody. Next on the rundown, senator john mccain, Mary Katharine and Juan Williams all have thoughts on the immigration debate. Megyn kelly on president obamas nominee. We have dealt with her before. Factor is coming right back. Domn continuing now with lead story, president obama, executive action, and illega from washington Mary Kathrine ham and here Juan Williams. This is a pure political have been around washington enough to know. There is no urgency here for him to take his legislation pen and sign this thing. He can wait a few months, wait until congress is sworn n january and that they ÷ can, you know, if, i would say by april he doesnt get anything, then i would take my little pen and do it. But this is purely, he is miffed, he is angry. So he is going to throw up a py couple hand grenades, right . Wrong. Its been since 2013 when the senate passedlmu bipartisan Immigration Reform bill that the president has been waiting. You shed this isto not urgent in the talking points memo. Correct. But you know what . If your. U ask hispanics in this country, half of them say its the number one issue,fhhr bill. Number one. And because they are tearing apart families. Polling . Tw rja rp e shocked you. At here is the exit polling i saw munk people who voted. Republicans had a good night tuesday. Among thoseobny constituencies they said 70 percent said yes time congratulation reform. Its the eighth priority. They want the economy right . So i say and you dont disagree with my analysis. Secure the border first, right . In fact the senate bill does that i have said it many times. So i think the president should givetp congress until april but he wont because he wants to blow it up. Do you agreeni me mary kathariw0p i think its a political move. In addition to just being a political move because is he a Political Animal and i dont think he knows hwkt to turn into thinking else. Thats what he is Going Forward with this. And heres the thing. Obama has presided over no change bigger than ay4yu3 precipitous drop in faith in the federal government to be able to do things c right . So heres the deal. Dont blow up the process. If you want to give people encouragement, start with smaller things that you can do competently. Maybe break off parts of that immigration bill if you want to do it it another thing is as you said. This is emotional. This is an emotional ra thing. Now, heres the question. Heres the question for you. I know you are going to answer it when president obama is out of office, should go on a cruise with what are you talking about . I come in here to irritate. You you dont irritate me sometimes you do but not tonight. Heres the84 question. Is he that fervent or this is good for liberal base and hispanic base. Its a political calculation. I dont see the father ventricle is i of this. Let me ask you something. Dont you realize that the americas Business Community create jobs, bill. Im7 that. You know that. This will add to the economy. This is good for the economy. Im not arguing that uh w a humane bill can be passed. I think most americans agree. Right. There is about 20 e pa dont. Okay. The hard line. Laura ingraham, you know,. Too much. Well, thats your opinion. That is mydsi9 opinion. They say we are not going to reward illegal behavior. I saysdqu bring people into the legal system. Right now we have got 12 million people. We are not deporting them and theyre breaking the law. All the polls say that americans want this to be dealt with fairly. Yes. But they dont want it blown up into this war be juan, its not going to help the economy. he can mn wait. For the good of the country, go ahead, Mary Katharine. 6e7a of all, obama himself in 2012 when he was making excuses i not doing this telemundo in talking to hispanic voters. He said he didnt do it because it would be legally hard to defend. He correct. Im not sure what has changed. Thats one problem. The issue is yes, you are blowing up the process. I think bill oreilly and myself are probably people who are not considered hardliners on4 bill, does this make you want to go jolly good lets argue this and have a conversation about it . No. Is he blowing up the process. Thats going to be harmful. It this isnt a priority. Sounds like the giant healthcare reform bill that people asked when people were not interested in this and then it blows up. Mary katharine throwing in the kitchen sink . And making people upset its there. You think it makes everybody upset. The Senate Passes a a bill. Its got people from people in the border states, you know, its got orrin hatch, true conservatives, and then boehner continues the process and talk about it. Process to do it, mary thats all in the past. Anythingcatf÷es and you say give him more time, bill. Thats right. Best thing for the country. Also a constitutional democracy and congress is supposed to pass this. He asked me a question im going to has been it and disend sendh oc you on your wa. I dont believe that the republicans are going to react like mr. Roveip really okay, well, we wall wait. I believe there is going to be a vicious tear your throat out war over this if he signs executive action. That is bad for the entire country. They hate obama and you are going to say this going to cause problems . You are so nasty, juan. u3hlm dont hate obama, im u over here arguing about the process. st we need to concentn the economybpy irst. Immigration after that juan and Mary Katharine, everybody. There he there they are. China, disrespecting president o k c c brit hume has some thoughts on that. Later, watters world tries to find out exactly what wents who would have thought three cheese lasagna would go with chocolate cake and ceviche . The same guy who thought that small caps and bond funds would go with a merging markets. Its a masterpiece. Thanks. Now whats our strategy you madewith the fondue . E diversifying your portfolio . E trade gives you the tools and resources to get it right. Are you type e . All around the world the dedicated people of United Airlines are there to support you. Thats got your back friendly. Impact segment tonight. President obama is in china this evening talkingkomn economics. Chinese media working him over as ed henry reported this morning. When the chinese decide to attack the president openly in some of their state run includingd f t. Global times. Making fun of the president 2tc and mocking him over midterm elections saying obama always utters yes we can which led to the High Expectations people is have for him but he has done an inaccept bid job offering nearly nothing to his supporters. Joining us now with analysis is brit hume. Tought]ihtju me watching the american president being treated chinese. I cant figure out whats in it for the chinese. The president of the United States goes over there andvtgtc they have tunic. State run media so we know its coming from the government. They are mocking him. Why are they doingu it . ia well, peace with chinas sort of expansionist ambitions. This is the way dictatorships behave. They are paranoid and territorial. They are often seek to expand their domains and their influence in the world. G paranoid how they are perceived in the world. Greater power. It sees the United States as a rifle and perhaps even as an enemy. Despite the fact that the economic ties between the two countries are deeper than they probably have2;pyq evr been which is restraining force i guess on both ssi i still dont know what they gain from making it personal and attacking barack obama. They might want something from him in the next two years what do they gain . This is like fifth grade stuff. Why . I think they can. They think he isf b zr n weak. They think he can be,t bullied, perhaps in to seeing things their way. I noticed that tunic,z bill, its common that those summits to have the leaders all wear something that is common to the host country. Thats what that looked like to me. They3 , usually do that for the big class picture. Yeah. I wonder whether the president , you know, needed to do that then. I dont know. I wouldnt wear that. Look, if im the president , and they working me over in the state run media and they give me that tunic. I set it on fire. Im not wearing that thing. Yeah. Look good on you. There comes a point and i dont know whether president obama is aware of it. He probably isnt. But there comes a point where you are representing earth. And you dont have to take that you dont react immaturely, all right . But you i dont like this. And i dont want to see it again. And if i see it again, im going to get on the next plane home. Well, china is interesting on this point. I mean, its a little hard to fathom their motives to. Try to see it, i mean, i cant really read their minds. But it appears to me, at least, that z they that they think that the president is weak. And i dont mean by that. Of course they think he is weak. Everybody thinks he is weak. Well, i understand that. What are they looking at . That editorial mentioned the midterm elections. Thats not really the key factor here. The key factor, bill, it seems to me is that even although its diminished now and spread to some extent thin around the world the United States is still by far the] qb military super power of the world. I mean, think of china,r,pn china has one aircraft carrier. The United States has 10 or 19, depending on how you counta atjy its building two more of these ford class super carriers which will dwarf anything that anyone else in the world has. Its light years ahead of what we have hadn1b t now. And we are now light years ahead of everybody else. In relation to china is true. But we are still very powerful. Thef d1 question is. He doesnt carry himself that way. Zy wu he has been evident to use the power. Contempt. And thats why they]r9vn act con contemptuous of him. You are introducing a cultural thing. You think they find it cona p1 . Contemptible because ofe0 k . J4 c their culture. Let me put t. This way. It makes them lose respect for him and think of him as weak and thats why you see this sort of back of the hand treatment that he gets. And has really gotten from the start with the china he has been there before. He wasnt particularly well treated the tis time. The olympics and all of that they ignored bush pretty much. They didnt say much one way or the other about him. They didnt reae o mess with him. Just real quick, on the debate that we have had on immigration, i think if obama signs the immigration executive order, that its going to get really hateful andd thats what i think is going to happen. It raises for me this question. The obstacles to getting a bill through the house which is where it was stopped the lastt8mr time. Istedj that people in the house look ek at obama and they look at a bill and the bill may have some