Intense situation. Anybody who is enjoying a disruption of this man, you have got to look at yourself here. And there is a lot of people saying made me real happy that his career is going down the drain. Millions of dollars at stake for nbc and the Brian Williams controversy. The story is getting even bigger now. We will have the latest. Caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone from california. Factor begins right now. Hi im bill oreilly. Reporting tonight from los angeles. Thanks for watching us. Another american killed by the isis savages. That is the subject of this evenings talking points memo 26yearold Kayla Mueller from arizona is dead. Apparently isis contacted her family providing proof they had been killed by them. This makes four americans executed by the jihadists. Kayla was captured by isis on august 4th, 2013 in syria by leaving a hospital staff doctors without borders. She was in syria to help suffering refugees. President obama said quote the United States will find and bring to justice the terrorists who are responsible for kaylas captivity and death. Isil is a hateful and abhorrent terrorist group whose actions stand in stark contrast to the spirited people like kayla, unquote. The fact that these jihadists have been able to continue to murder americans with impunity should trouble the entire world. As talking points mass mentioned president obama has received advice about terrorism from two former secretaries. Advise he has rejected. The reality is they are not going to be able to be successful against isis strictly from the air or strictly defending on the iraqi forces or pers member go. So there will be boots on the ground if there is to be any hope of success in the strategy buy mr. Obama said no to targeting isis on the ground why . Here is what leon panetta says. He lost his conviction that we had to constantly go after after terrorism that we had to constantly be involved in a very troubled world because i think wanted to hopefully be able to focus on this country and what needed to be done here. Mr. Panettas statement is backed up by the president s own words yesterday. My first job is to protect the American People but we have to attend to a lot of other issues and make sure we are right sizing our approach so that what we do isnt counter productive. I would argue that our invasion of iraq was counter productive to the goal of keeping our country safe. With all due respect to the president , this country is capable of attending to many issues at the same time. And the war in iraq should not impede effective strategy against muslim killers today. To allow the jihad to continue its reign of terror without a solid plan strikes me as irresponsible and dangerous. Louisiana night i folk with David Axelrod. He like secretary kerry believes that air power and Paper Coalition will eventually degrade the isis fanatics. I think Kayla Mueller might disagree. And tease thats the memo. Joining us from new york city Monica Crowley and from washington kirsten powers. What im not understanding is that you have two former defense secretaries. You have the director of the dia, general flynn. All right. Who recently retired. You have the outgoing defense secretary all saying to the president , its not working. All right. These guys are going to park there. They are going to sit therenned in syria and iraq and continue their atrocities killing civilians, yet the president says if is working. Im not getting that. Do you understand it . Well, i dont think, first of all, we had a lot of people like the people you just described, people who are very respected in our society who made very convincing arguments for the iraq war. Lets not assume that he theyre right. You are willing to give them the assumption that we should follow their lead. And i think where the president is coming from is i dont think he buys into the idea that putting troops on the ground is going to solve this problem. I think its i think its probably true that without troops, its going to be very difficult to grade isis. That said, i dont know that putting troops on the ground would necessarily we wouldnt necessarily have the results that we would want to have. We could end up facing worse like we did in iraq. Estimated 40,000 fighters in isis and you would be able to marshall in the coalition of 60 nations monica. Hundreds of thousands of troops with air power that isis doesnt have and you would think that they would be able to defeat them fairly readily. It wouldnt be easy but they would be able to do it. But, president obama doesnt want to do that. And thats what troubles me. He just doesnt want to do it. He could do it, American People would support it. Particularly with the beheadings and the fire and now this poor young girl, kayla. American people would support it. Not to occupy, just to go in get them, get out. But he doesnt want to do it very troubling situation,. I think there are two reasons he wouldnt do it. He came into office with two firm beliefs. One that he was the antibush. Meaning that he was not going to preside over any major intervention, particularly in the middle east and particularly in iraq. Number two, this is a man who a committed leftist who essentially believes that American Power has been in nefarious tool for global injustice. Therefore, the u. S. Should atone for that by retrenching and apologizing and retreating. He has done all of those things and thats why you see this systematic policy of minimize minimizing the u. S. Footprint around the world, particularly in the middle east and minimizing the nature and scope of the threats coming at us we have a situation now kirsten where you have this group. And he says through his ambassador rice not existential threat. Not like world war ii or the cold war. Do you agree with that by the way . That its not like were world war ii . Yes i agree with that. Not existential threat to this country. At this point its not. No its a threat to the middle east. And i just im sorry, i just have to say, i cant listen to this stuff about how barack obama doesnt understand the threat of terrorism or that he has this tiny little view of the u. S. role in the world when he expanded the drone war. He escalated the war in afghanistan. And, by the way, we have been bombing in iraq every single day. Why are you suggesting. Why would you suggest that the president doesnt care or doesnt use American Power which im just telling you as somebody who opposes a the love the American Power that he uses. So this narrative is just is completely false. Its just completely made up. Let me understand. This you oppose the American Power, okay. You dont want Ground Troops over there you are willing to live with isis group hop is occupying these thousands of miles and killing civilians you are willing to live with it. You are missing my point. No i am understanding it totally. First of all i dont oppose American Power. I think that American Power should be used wisely and smartly and it hasnt been in our recent history. And i think its wreaked a lot of damage and harm with other people. Now . It the same thing you are saying now was about iraq war, no occupation in and out, were gone. Its not going it happen and then look what happened we went in there. We are seeing it before our own eyes. We are seeing it before our own eyes not like the iraq war. I wish that you had spent as much time on the 4,000 soldiers who died in iraq as you have on these beheadings . Because, if you had, i dont think that we would have been over there as long that we were. Thats one of the cheapest shots that you have ever made. Its not a cheap shot. I went there. Those are 4,000 lives that are gone. We are now supposed to go to war. Its a tragedy that these people were beheaded you are making out that were supposed to go to war because of these four people . And if we dont want to go to war we dont care about them . Thats ridiculous. You had your say and now im going to have to have mine. Monica i apologize i will give you more time next week. Thats a cheap shot i went to iraq. I didnt say you didnt care. I care and i was there. I know you were. To support the troops that were doing their duty. There was no way that anybody could have known that the intelligence on weapons of mass destruction was faulty. There was no way really, nobody knew . Thats right. Hillary clinton didnt know. Bill clinton didnt know. Hillary clinton was a hawk. There were plenty of people that were rauziing. And you didnt know either because no one could have known. I actually was very very sceptic call and i didnt support the war. You wouldnt have known. I want to be clear im not saying that you dont care about the troops. Thats not what im saying. Im talking about the amount of coverage that we give to these four people. We gave amount of coverage to colin powell when he went on and said what he said. Could have been killed if we had been covering them and seen the flag draped coffins coming bang back we might not have been there as long as we were. One more thing. Before 9 11, nobody thought al qaeda was a threat. Thats not true. They knew al qaeda was in afghanistan. They knew they were there. They didnt do anything about it . Not true. And he had think the hit us. This group, right this moment is plotting to hit us. It is existential threat. Ladies, thank you. We should do something smart to respond to it. Okay. Well you dont have it and certainly president obama doesnt have it. Next on the rundown as we continue from california, the southern pot of law center going after ben carson in a very personal way. We have a report on that. And the Brian Williams story keeps getting bigger. Now the focus is on new orleans where won a peabody award for katrina. We will have the latest in just a few moments. The update now on Brian Williams. Nbc news has just issued a statement suspending its lead anchor and managing editor for six months without pay. In a memo that came out just about 20 minutes ago the president of nbc news says the suspension will take effect right away as she put it. This comes after Brian Williams apologized on air after some members of the military called him out for as they put it, exaggerating his experience during the iraq invasion back in 2003. Brian williams had repeatedly over the last decade that he rode in a helicopter that was hit by rocket propelled grenade or other fire. He now admits that was not true. Of the memo says in part, quote brian has a responsibility to be truthful and uphold the high standards of the News Division at all times as im sure you understand this was a very hard decision. Certainly there will be those who disagree but we believe this suspension is appropriate and proportionate action. Memo is from the head of nbc news deborah deb turnness. Oreilly is back after the commercial. Epic music] introducing aleve pm. The pm pain reliever. That dares to work all the way until. [birds chirping] the am. New aleve pm. Its the first to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. For pain relief that can last all the way until morning. New aleve pm, for a better am. Prnl story segment tonight. Putting out a list of extremist in their opinion like the kkk. Skin heads, black separatists, aryan brotherhood. Now dr. Ben carson has been added to that list for saying. This. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Its a well established fundamental pillar of society. And no group, be they gays, be they nambla, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesnt matter what they are, they dont get to change the definition. Now, the law center also objected to dr. Carsons comments on obamacare among other things. We asked mark potak spokesman for the group who has been on the factor before to appear with us. He said. No joining us now from cincinnati is ken blackwell, former ohio secretary of state who has had dealings with the law center. So, first of all, this started out as a group that was going to alert americans will threats within our borders, extremist threats, correct . Correct. Bill, when i was mayor of cincinnati i worked with the justice Departments Community relations division. And they worked with the Southern Poverty Law Center. And they were particularly interested in searching out those who were bombing churches throughout the and they were doing fairly decent work. But now they have, you know, morphed into thats almost tantamount to an auxiliary operation of the political left. All right. So you say that at first they were interested in justice pause thats their name right . And now they are not. They are interested in promoting left wing causes. You, i understand, come to that conclusion because you work for or with the let me get the name of it correct. Family Research Council is. Right, which accused back in 2007 the Southern Poverty Law Center of inciting a violence terrorist act against them correct . Correct, bill, in 2010, the Southern Poverty Law Center labeled frc as a hate organization. By 2012, frc was attacked by gunfire, by a person that the fbi has called a domestic terrorist. Yesterday floyd right. And the group, family Research Council says he was motivated by this Southern Poverty Law Center. Its the same subject. Gay marriage, right . The same subject that carson absolutely. Now the Poverty Law Center says carson is an extremist. And how do you feel about that . I think it is ridiculous on its face. Just think about ben carson. He came from a single parent household he and his brother worked himself out of poverty. Got married, has children. Has tremendous career as neurosurgeon and he gives back. He is the prime example of how you break the cycle of dependency and now we have the Southern Poverty Law Center attacking him as being a hater because he defends natural traditional marriage. Last question right. Do you consider the Southern Poverty Law Center a hate group . I consider them to be a group that perpetuates the vision in our country and mislabels folks to the point of having violent acts perpetrated against them and i think that has to stop. And the Justice Department needs to break off any ties that they continue to have with that organization. All right mr. Blackwell. Thanks very much. We are hoping to have dr. Carson on the factor tomorrow. Directly ahead Brian Williams won a peabody award for his coverage of katrina in new orleans. Now that coverage is under scrutiny. 6yearold kidnapped by his own family is it legal investigating and the factor is coming right back fromcoun l. A. Prunes nothing else. Its works, simple as that. Its a natural source of fiber and five essential vitamins. Try Sunsweet Amazin prune juice. Also available in light. 22 minutes past the hour and breaking news from the Fox News Channel. Im Shepard Smith. It was 30 minutes ago now that we received word from nbc news that the managing editor of nbc nightly news and the longtime anchor of nbc news Brian Williams is suspended immediately without pay and for the next six months. It is an absolutely stunning turn for a man who was high atop a network which was reigle on so many fronts. The todays shows problems are well documented. Its ratings fall. Its problem with anchors which come in and out and its trouble on social media and the rest. The ratings whoas with msnbc, change over in management after comcast bought the network and through it all the one stallworth of nightly news was nbc news with Brian Williams. It has enjoyed high atop the ratings and frankly across high credibility ratings across this nation. Abc world news changed to abc world news tonight as diane sawyer left and bill mier came in. Often where nbc might be able to capitalize. And all of a sudden one thank you at one hockey game turns into a spiral that absolutely no one could have predicted. Deborah turnness the relatively new head at nbc has sent out a statement and before we begin some analysis i want to read that statement for you in its entirety. The memo is from nbc news president deborah turnness and its addressed to all. Meaning all within the nbc news and comcast family but it is certainly for all the world now. And i quote we have decided today to suspend Brian Williams as managing editor and anchor of nbc nightly news for six months. The suspension will be without pay and is effective immediately. We let brian know of our decision earlier today. Lester holt will continue to substitute anchor the nbc nightly news. I will pause for a moment. Lester holt as you may know is a longtime weekend anchor of nightly news the long time today show anchor as well and he anchors dateline for nbc in addition. Going on with the statement from deborah turnness at nbc, our review which is being led by richard he is being led by kim harris is ongoing. He works for their Investigative Unit and she goes on but i think it is important to take you through our thought process in coming to this decision. While on nightly news on friday january the 30th, 2015, brian misrepresented events which occurred while he was covering the iraq war in 2003. It then became clear that the other occasions on other occasions brian had done the same while telling the story in other venues. This was wrong and completely inappropriate for someone in brians position. In addition, we have concerns about comments that occurred outside nbc news while brian was talking about his experiences in the field. As managing editor and anchor of nightly news brian has a responsibility to be truthful and to uphold the high standards of the News Division at all times. S