I think the salient points made by our memo still exist and they are still true. A little bit of it is creating so much dust and clout that people just give up and saying, you are saying that, i am just going to tune out. That may be part of it too. Martha it seems like one of the Big Bones Of Contention would be whether or not it was essential to the fisa surveillance. You have argued that it was essential, that without it, they would have not received the authorization for the warrant from the fisa court. Do they have you said that there is other information about carter page. You said they are basically three things. You have yahoo news article, the dossier, and other information about carter page. Can they argue that other information was substantial enough . They didnt make that argument to the judge. If you have enough without the dossier, then why did you
include the dossier . If you have enough without the dossier, why did you, in your court filing, lead with the dossier . Lawyers dont start with their weakest document, and you certainly dont start with an argument that you dont need to make and should not have made. The fact that you use the dossier tells me you must have felt like you needed it or else he would not have included it in your court filing. Martha how did they get four right mike rounds of approval when it looked like they were coming up with not much at all on carter page . You can you get that coue that x went to russia, that x sent an email, that x corresponded with someone. I think the threshold for a renewal is that you are gaining some information. How material that information is is in the eye of the judge. My focus is on the initial application, because that is where it started the renewals. Also, martha, keep in mind the
information that republicans argued should have been in the initial application also was not in the renewals. The bias of some folks who were investigating the president the bias of chris steele. The fact that he was desperate to do anything to prevent President Trump from winning. That is something that a reasonable tribunal would not do know if you are evaluating a source. Martha it definitely does raise questions about the fisa court that they didnt scrape beneath the surface and say, why have you included a news article as part of your substantiation here . Doesnt it raise questions about how they are doing their job might judge job . I think most judges dont rely on news articles. I kind of blame the person who included it. If thats all you have got it. That is almost, by definition, hearsay. I rarely miss a chance to blame judges, because i used to to up here in front of them all the time. I dont blame the judges. I blame the attorneys who are officers of the court. They are not advocates trying to
for this . Why did you go through all these machinations instead of just saying it in a clear and transparent way . But they didnt. Martha he said he believed the memo lays out a case for conspiracy. He was the word conspiracy, which is a crime. Do you agree with that . I love the chairman. He is one of my favorite colleagues. I conspiracy is an agreement to commit an unlawful act. I used to do those cases. I never allege a conspiracy i dont look for some nefarious motive if incompetence or a lack of protocol will explain it. I will not allege that the bureau and the Department Of Justice have a conspiracy. I got asks for early serious questions about why they handled things certain ways, but i dont
start with conspiracy. Martha Andrew Mccabe signed off on leaves. So did bob rosenstein. You dont believe that they had any conspiratorial drive in presenting that dossier to get that warrant, to listen in on carter pages phone calls because they didnt want President Trump to be elected . Martha that is such a serious allegation, you would have to have something other than the fact that they were signing documents that led me to draw that conclusion. I am really troubled by what i have read from mr. Page. It is manifest bias in a way i have never seen it before. That troubles me more than the fact that Rod Rosenstein did not feel the need to do independent research to corroborate assertions made in a court proceeding. If there is no evidence of conspiracy, i am most to accuse
someone of it. Martha so chairman nunes, who you worked with on this memo, has suggested that there is a lot more to come and that the investigation continues. It looks like the next place that you all are looking at as the State Department during the obama administration. We know there was a criminal referral that was made by Senators Graham and grassley. It includes this. Before and source give information to an unnamed associate of hillary and bill clinton who then gave information to an unnamed official in the Obama State Department who then gave the information to steele. What do you know about that . Everything that there is to know about it, and i have known about it for over a month. If you go and read the documents, you see it. I am troubled by it. It is one reason i have tremendous respect for michael horowitz, the Inspector Drink not Inspector General of the Department Of Justice. There is a State Component state Department Component to this. It needs to be investigated. I dont view the investigation turns terms of stages. It is one investigation pursuit of all relevant facts leading towards the truth. I am troubled by what i read in the documents with respect to the role the State Department played in the fall of 2016, including information that was used in a court proceeding. Martha so weeks before the election, somebody in the Obama State Department was Feeding Information from a foreign source to christopher steele. When you hear who the source or one of the sources of that information is, youre going to think, oh, my gosh, ive heard that name somewhere before. Where could he possibly have been . Martha a foreign source . A domestic source. Im trying to think of secretary clinton defined him. I think she said he was an old friend who emailed her from time to time. Martha blumenthal . That would be really warm. Martha more to come on that. Still to come tonight, growing speculation over whether President Trump will say, Special Counsel mueller, Congressman Gowdy shed some light on that coming up next. The basic question is, what crime is Robert Mueller investigating . Roadside assistancel 24hr helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. My dad says our insurance doesnt have that. Dont worry i know what a lug wrench is, dad. Is this a lug wrench . Maybe . You can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. Liberty stands with you™. Liberty mutual insurance. Having Mplaque Psoriasise is not always easy. Its a longdistance run. And you have the determination to keep going. Humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for over 10 years. Humira works inside the body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to symptoms. In clinical trials, most adults taking humira were clear or almost clear and many saw 75 and even 90 clearance in just four months. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal, infections and cancers, including Lymphoma Have happened as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. Before treatment, get tested for tb. Tell your doctor if youve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if youve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flulike symptoms, or sores. Dont start humira if you have an infection. Join over 250,000 people who have chosen humira. Ask about the 1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists. Humira go. gasp singsong budget meeting sweet. If you compare last quarter to this quarter. Various mmm. Its no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with fresh milk and real cream. With the creamy taste i tabut with my back paines, I Couldnt Sleep and get up in time. Then i found aleve pm. Aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. Im back. Aleve pm for a better am. Martha will the president end up answering questions about its potential Special Counsel . Lawyers tell trump to refuse mueller interview . They claim they are concerned the president might perjure himself. I asked Congressman Gowdy for his thoughts on the appropriate i think you have a russian investigation, irregardless of r or not there is a dossier. The dossier has nothing to do with the fact that someone tried to hack into the dnc server. Actually, he succeeded in doing so. They tried to hack into lots of other folks servers for the access John Podestas emails. It has nothing to do with the meeting George Papadopoulos had in great britain. The dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at trump tower. The dossier has nothing to do with allegations of obstruction of justice. Bob mueller, who, by the way,
didnt volunteer, he was asked to do it after eight distinguished career. He was asked to do it and he was asked to look into what russia did and with whom, if anyone, they did it. I know people focus on the criminality. It is interesting people find that much more interesting than something as boring as, did a foreign power try to interfere with our democracy. I think bob mueller, like lots of other responsible people, but its pretty important too. So he has got a counterintelligence mission. Has a criminal mission, and that criminal mission exists separate even if there were no dossier. Everything else, it still exists. I think you still have bob mueller with or without a dossier. Martha what do you say when we have watergate or whitewater, the American Public understood the crime that was being investigated. The basic question for a lot of americans is, what crime is Robert Mueller investigating . I would encourage my fellow citizens that is a quick
question. I would encourage them to go back and read the charter, read the jurisdiction that created by mueller. There is a counterintelligence. What did russia do to impact our election in 2016. There may or may not be crimes, domestic crimes associated with that, but there is a foreign power trying to interfere with the gears of our democracy. The hack of the dnc server is a crime. The accessing of John Podestas email is a crime. The attempt to access other servers is a crime. So there is a criminal foundation, if you will. But there is a Counterintelligence Jurisdiction for him separate and apart from any criminality. Martha i dont have a language in front of me but i read it recently. The way it was set forth is that it is a National Security investigation that investigates the period of the election, and i think when people look at where it appears to be going, there seems to be a lot of focus
on obstruction of justice. There seems to be a lot of focus on the trump tower meeting, for example, and they wonder whether or not this is an investigation of President Trump and his people or an investigation and looks at something that is a broad problem in terms of foreign governments trying to influence our election process or even our corporate process. You could look at china, you could look at russia. They feel like this has the tentacles that seem to be heading in the direction of the president and his people. One of the downsides to being a prosecutor is, you dont get to defend yourself very awesome. Often. Bob miller has never mueller has never issued a Press Conference that if there have been two guilty pleas. There are two other indictments. Martha do you feel that those guilty pleas implicate the president or the campaign in any
way . No. And i think that, no offense to the media, but i think the media is hyper focused on how this has impacted donald trump, and i think bob mueller is focused on, where is it taking me. I get it that President Trump is really interesting from a news standpoint, lots of reporters and writers are fascinated with whether or not mueller is going to interview trump and whether or not anything related to the president , they are super interested in. Having done it for a living, bob mueller is every bit as interested in figuring out how we missed the signs that russia was trying to interfere with our election. Prosecutors are just wired differently from politicians. Martha let me ask you this. You think there would be at bob mueller Special Counsel investigation of Hillary Clinton were president right now . Heavens, no. Attorney general adam schiff would never investigate it nor appoint Special Counsel. One of the reasons i cant wait
to go into another line of work is the relativism that we dont apply the same standard, that democrats will wail and cry and gnashing teeth over something they think republicans have done, and they are more than happy to turn a blind eye if their own team does it. There is not a snowballs chance in purgatory that attorney general adam schiff or Loretta Lynch would be looking into a fact pattern for president clinton. Obama absolved her of any criminality in her most recent probe before the investigation was over. Martha there are some who believe there may have been a russian attempt to influence both sides of the campaign, and that may be where the state Department Investigation is going, a foreign source sending information to christopher steele, that they were sort of entertained at the notion of coming at perhaps both campaigns. Is that side being investigated enough in this equation, do you
think . It is by congress. I cannot speak for Special Counsel. Im not supposed to know what he is doing, and i do not know what he is doing. I can tell you, over the strenuous objections of my colleagues, we did find out that chris still was relying on russian sources. In essence, the Democratic National committee and Hillary Clinton were spending money to acquire information from russian sources to then be used to interfere with or influence or impact of the 20 election. It is an irony that you couldnt make up if you wanted to. I just have been unsuccessful at getting many elements of the Mainstream Media to be interested in that half of the equation. Martha do think President Trump can get a fair hearing in this process . I do. In the court of Public Opinion or through the Special Counsel . Martha through the Special Counsel, for starters. Idea. I think bob mueller is a former United States attorney and fbi director who has had an otherwise really is no make
distinguished legal career and i dont know of any prosecutor first of all, you either have the factory dont have the facts. Even if the prosecutor wanted to get someone, youve got to have the facts to do it. We have a jury and a judge standing between a overzealous prosecutor martha you have seen special councils in the past leave their purview and the investigation goes on for a long time, the next thing you know, you are investigating a Monica Lewinsky case when the president didnt even know her when the Special Counsel began his work. You dont have any fear of that here . Do i have fear that jurisdiction may wander a bit . I think it already has. It has already wandered a little bit. But i would not blame bob mueller. I would blame whoever drafted the jurisdiction and the charter that empowered him. If you look at it, it says matters that may arise from the investigation. What the heck heck does that mean . Is that a bank robbery in
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