Video games, what makes these killers so different . Dr. Warren farrell has been studying men and boys in america for over two decades and he sees this as this hole in their lives, their missing piece and violent young man as something that has been brewing in a changing america for very long time and it boils down to a number of things, but in part one element is what he calls the dad deficit. Deprivation is common to 26 out of 27 of the mass shooters who have killed eight or more people. That is where we start tonight. Author of the boy crisis. Why are boys are struggling. Thank you for being here. Its a pleasure. Shannon obviously there is a big picture of what is going on in america and then there is this subset, very tiny subset, violent and you see some Common Threads among these young man and we are still waiting to learn more about the killers over the last couple of days, but what is the dad deficit and how do you see it coming to play through your research . What i found was that in the prison population and the ice is population of the mass shooter population they all have in common very high percentage, 90 dad deprived. They dont have any male role models to channel their testosterone constructively in the mail mold rado, in addition to bml role model , they tend to be much tougher on boundary enforcement and the boundary enforcement creates gratification which leads the boys to be successful at school or sports or to feel more proud of themselves and not ashamed of themselves. They get praised from women and teacher, male peers and at home and those boys are also much more likely to learn how to be empathetic because they do roughhousing and dad says, you put your elbow and your sisters face there will be no more roughhousing and so the boy learns to think of his sister rather than to think of themselves. Its the difference between being assertive or aggressive. All of these things, empathy as empathy as assertiveness creates friendships that allow him to be involved and engaged and has ability allows him to feel a purpose, so boys with dads and the more the father is involved in the more that boy is likely to find, to discover himself and be successful. Shannon i want to point out. There are plenty of families who grow up with parents and two different houses who do fine and we are not making in overgeneralization, we are looking at this subset and trying to figure out where it breaks down. That is not a scientific term. A way of looking at it. We showed that chart in the beginning and all of those men were mass killers, only one woman among them since 1966. These young girls grew up in the same circumstances. Dad has left. They have access to the violent video games and axes in some cases to guns, but they dont do it, why . Girls are more likely to be brought up by a role model, a female mom and secondly as they learn to have as much ramification, but girls without that that i dont do as well, boys are still interested. That is not the primary way. They are more likely to have a mom to empathize with them and work with them. They dont have as much tendency towards violence. Testosterone doesnt challenge in itself into a negative and purposeless outcomes as often, however on action the children that do best tend to have a checks and balance parenting of the dads for times a day to do and the mom to do more nurturing so when those two come together those children do significantly better. Shannon he pointed out and one of the talks, a young man who shot and killed, his last words, i wish i had a dad. There are other examples from the studies and first this is from Elliott Rogers manifesto, another young shooter who said after i picked up the handgun i brought it back to my room had filed a new sense of power. I was now armed. Who is the alpha male now . You can see the expletive. Its the opposite of the alpha male what he has done. He came from a divorced home, when boys dont know how to succeed and have purpose and he was very sensitive and he felt that change. Mom said, girls like sensitive guys. He sees the girls going out with the Football Players and a not so sensitive guys and he becomes angry and hurt and feels rejected and so boys who hurt, hurt us. Shannon we have heard so much about empowering girls and women over the last years and you started your career working on woman studies in the Womens Movement in the 60s, but you say it is time for a white House Counsel on men and boys. Why . Boys have increasing numbers of problems. Boys are much more likely to commit suicide now than girls, 46 times as likely, their Life Expectancy is going down. Thats amazing that any Life Expectancy is going down. Girls Life Expectancy is not going down. Their sperm counts are going down. There are cues are going down. They are much more likely to feel that anger that comes with having jobs, Federal Reserve chair jared powell pointed this out, the psychological warfare and the boy crisis and if we are not preparing our schools with teachers and communication assistants and teaching girls and boys in Elementary School to communicate with each other rather than bully each other and teaching their parents to communicate so that there onto the divorces that lead to the absence of fathers. Shannon very interesting. We want to have you back. Thank you so much. Very interesting research. Good to see you. Thank you for caring. Shannon here is another piece of it. What about the loss of what one a sociologist referred to as mediating institutions in our society . The churches, rotary clubs, girl and boy scouts. Since the beginning of america these were the bedrock subcommunities as villages and towns popped up across the country, churches and libraries and those were their centers but not have taken a backseat for what many prefer in these social Media Community that often ends up leaving them, feeling more detached than anything else. Former governor of arkansas Mike Huckabee on this part of that, the bowling leagues and all these institutions that still exist but they have far less emphasis in our communities. A lot of the institutions even like the boy scouts are in the process of collapsing. They are going extinct and kids are not growing up. Belonging to things whether its a club or being as involved in community activities. Everything that the doctor just said, a brilliant guest and im so glad you had him on because his assessment was spot on. There are so many boys were growing up were lost, lonely, they feel a sense of rage because perhaps their fathers have left them. They would love to identify with their fathers but they cant, they take it personally. They feel like maybe they did something wrong and let me tell you that one of the consequences of that is those of us who would try to say, look for spiritual answers. How can you tell a young man that god wants to be his father if his image of a father is someone who abandon him or beat up his mother . This is where we have to rethink, but i recognize that ultimately the whole of the human heart can never be filled just by human things, it has to be filled by spiritual things that give a person a higher sense of who they are, their real identity and why they matter. Shannon let me ask you this. Im sure there are some people who watch this segment and they say look, these young men are twisted. They are evil. A couple years in the boy scouts as a going to change anything for these individuals. They have a deepseated issue and some of them are driven by some extremist ideologies out there and we all read with this manifesto. What you say to that . I would say to them, where did they get the appetite for these ideas . The one in el paso, white supremacist and that is evil by anyones definition. That is a hideous evil. The young man in dayton appears to have been someone who identified with leftist politics, all of his social media pointed to a very different ideology. Even though the media hasnt discussed that as much because that doesnt for the narrative, but the point is that both were drawn to something that most of us would say it is destructive. Why were they drawing to win it . Because they were looking for significance in their lives and sometimes that significance is the simple relationship they can have with their family and their god and if i dont have that relationship then we all better luck out because they will find a way to express that hate and anger and hostility and we see it in advance likely dead this weekend and it breaks all of our hearts. Shannon ed absolutely does. I want to show you a tweet from hillary clinton. Its not as simple as getting your hands on a gun and fixing someones Mental Illness but she says, peoples offer from Mental Illness in every other country on earth. Play video games and every other country on earth. The difference is the guns. Some countries where suicide bombers and people do horrible things in other ways. I understand that before the bodies were taken out of the walmart in el paso, there were many politicians running two cameras to politicize the issue. I dont remember anybody blaming bill clinton, her husband or barack obama. We had Mass Shootings when they were president s. It is not a president s fault, whether its trump, obama or george w. Bush. Its our cultural fault and part of what we have done, we have created a culture in which we said there is no god and human life isnt worth that much in life is expendable and there are lives that are disposable and one a young man believes his life is disposable he thinks the lives around him are. Why are we so shocked that he would be taking mass killings as has avenue of expressing his rage . Shannon a lot of these are suicide the suicide of these young men is the goal and its not that different with a bomb strapped around you and killing as many people as you can, they are doing it as this way as they headed with the hopes that they will also be killed. One obviously survived over the weekend, despite the fact that he said that wasnt his intentions. We will see with your ports bear out. Governor huckabee, always good to see you. Thank you for coming into night. Next up, the president said this today. We must reform our Mental Health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence and make sure that those people not only get treatment, but when necessary, involuntary confinement. Shannon involuntary confinement. Geraldo riveras investigation and how we got here, next. From your allergy pills . Flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. Flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. Most pills only block one. Flonase. At vand look great. Guarantee youll see great guarantee. We uh. We say that too. You gotta use these because we dont mean it. Buy any pair at regular price, get one free. Really. Visionworks. See the difference. The first person to survive alzis out there. 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We must reform our Mental Health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who commit acts of violence and make sure those people not only get treatment, but when necessary involuntary confinement. Shannon that is a big phrase, involuntary confinement and it has been a taboo phrase in recent years and decades, but is it time to have a conversation about it again . A conversation that has been put off for some time. Back in 1984 the New York Times sounded the alarm on the closure of our nations mental institutions. There was a growing economic and political liability faced by state legislators. Enormous amount of tax revenues are being used to support the mental hospitals and the institutions themselves were increasingly thought of as snake pits or facilities that few wanted. In that same article, the doctors admit that closing these facilities had turned out to be a big mistake. They say this, the belief was widespread at the same scientific researchers who had conjured up antibiotics and vaccines during the outburst of medical discovery in the 50s and 60s had discovered penicillin to cure psychosis and revolutionize the treatment of the mentally ill. Joining me now, correspondent geraldo rivera. Good to have you here. This is something that we talk about every time it happens. There are cases, there were reports that some people and their circle said that his mother wanted to have him committed and that may have been what tipped him off but it was difficult to do so because he didnt have any rap sheet, any violations. You did a documentary some investigative work that really changed institutions in many ways in new york which dealt with children who were deemed to be mental disabilities. Different kind of situation, but that was part of the whole deinstitutionalization of these kinds of Mental Health care issues. What you think about all of that . Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clear up what could be a misunderstanding amongst some people. The story i did about the population we use to describe as mentally, you cant use that phe people historically like those with down syndrome, those who have other, Cerebral Palsy and other developmental disabilities, often if not always having low iqs, these folks who were institutionalize institutionalized, 60 to a room, crowded in there with one attendant and smeared with their own, naked and not getting proper nutrition. They had to be liberated from their institution and we set up this wonderful moment that was communitybased residences where instead of 60 in one place there are three or four and they are cared and they work and they are supervised and they have lives. The population that youre describing in the 1984 New York Times article on the people who are accused were guilty of these crimes we are seeing now or not the mentally retarded or disabled, the mom who drowned five of her children and postpartum depression. That is Mental Illness. There never was a system set up for them to be an alternative to the institution. They closed those institutions for the mentally ill and they never opened the Community Residences so that is why you see the home was. Shannon they were supposed to. As it states in that article, the idea was that they were going to be local institutions or communitybased areas like the ones you are talking about and the work you did was revolutionary. It did change so many things for the better. This issue has put us in a place where almost, its very difficult to have someone who does need to be institutionalized, for the safety of society. Its almost impossible to put someone like that away. It is. Look at this, the one that is worse in el paso, the Sutherland Springs where you have a guy who was kicked out of the air force for all kinds of problems. He beat his wife. He gets mad at his motherinlaw and so he goes and he kills 26 people and a church. Shannon he had escaped from a place where he was being held for Mental Illness in 2012 by the way. The president is onto something. It will be very difficult and it has to be done on a task force with professionals and consumers of these services and they can talk about the appropriateness and also the creation if not of the communitybased residences, at least of the safe space where someone who is or someone who was writing manifestoes about killing latinos in texas shannon lets face it. People are ticked off and family members know that this person is dangerous and some of them in some cases would like the option to have somebody help them by taking this person and putting them where they will be safe for themselves and other people will be safe because they are being watched 24 7. A very difficult thing. Thank you very much. Good to see you tonight. 30 seconds, that is how long it took four gunmen in ohio to kill nine people it is fundamentally problematic to have that level of weaponry in a civilian environment unregulated, thats problematic. Shannon that puts the white house under pressure again to act on gun control, they respond next. The military family and it really shows. T take care of us. It was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. It was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say oh we cant beat usaa were the webber family. Were the tenneys were the hayles, and were usaa members for life. 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