Here is police chief carmen bass talking about her anger and frustration, then you will hear from the mayor Jenny Jerkins who basically is saying move along, there is nothing to see here. I am very angry about the situation that we have, while i really support, this is not that. They are in the streets fighting the system of domination. We have block parties and the like in this part of seattle, it is known for that. Martha but take a look at this from town hall where protesters have taken over and are now battling each other over whether to let the Police Officers who wanted to go into an office. Inside, watch this. [screaming] if police go in there, who gives a [bleep] what the [bleep]. Martha you get the idea. President trump says that the chaos cannot be permitted to go on indefinitely. I will tell you if they do not strain the situation out, we are going to straighten it out. We will not let this happen in seattle, if we need to go in, we will go in. Martha the editorial page of the wall street journal argues for letting seattle report it has sown. To the good progressives of washington allowed the chads to rise, they write, and now they can decide or let it become a new republic. If they can keep it, the city of seattle has arranged for garbage cans and toilets to be placed in this city to be used by protesters, lets look at how it looks in a month says the wall street journal. And we are learning that there is infighting among some of the occupiers, and some signs of rebellion against raz simone, who we introduced you to on the story last night. One posting on social media that has been deleted read this i did not vote for raz simone, i thought we were in autonomous collected. A commune of belief. We should take turns to act as an executive officer for the week. Shelby talcott is a reporter from the daily caller who has been on the ground in seattle and joins me now. Welcome. Good to have you here tonight. I know that you have been in and around the area, and you have talked to some of the people there. What are you learning . One of the biggest things you just mentioned was that a lot of these protesters do not agree with raz becoming this warlord. We spoke to a few of them that were manning the entry points in seattle, and they say that his idea of what he wants chads to become is not what the majority of the people inside want. So it is a little bit difficult, because they want to know rules, but this is a society used to living by rules. Martha in terms of what it is like for the people who are in there, you know, is it getting messy . Is it wellmaintained . What is the order like . We went down last night and it was pretty peaceful even though we have seen numerous reports, tensions are high, lots of people have seen guns carried around. But the community is become more organized by the hour, it seems. They have developed a no cop coop which has all of the goods, they say that you have to be kind to receive the product. They are really developing a community and a little bit more organization between entry point. So they are here for the long haul. Martha yeah, you talk to some people who live in the area who are less than happy with what has developed in their neighborhood. Here is one of those folks, lets hear from them first so that you can tell us more about them. Walking through here at night, and you can see for yourself, you can see that we dont have the right to vote for stuff here anymore. You can see the demands when they say the that we want the pensions away from every Police Officer in seattle. They took our rights away. Thats not okay. Its not political. Its just not okay. Martha that is stunning. That is a citizen in seattle who did not feel safe enough to have his face revealed that he just misses order in his community. Yes, so this man goes by brandon, he asked us not to release his last name, because he has spoken out about the situation and has gotten threatened. The whole thing will be airing at the daily caller shortly, but he was just incredibly upset. He is terrified. He was telling us how these protesters are banging on the front of his gates at night, and he hears shots being fired throughout the evening, so it is definitely it is interesting, because this is a residential area that they have taken over, not everyone is on board. Martha is incredible, shelby talcott, thank you for that inside look. Very interesting and crazy to hear what that man is going through. Thank you very much. Joining me now as congressman danny hack from the state of washington, seattle is not in his district, but he obviously loves his state and is here to talk about what is going on. When you listen to that man talking about how he cant sleep at night, people are banging on his door, what is going on here . Well, martha, thank you for having me on, it has been a while and nice to be back. Thank you very much. My goddaughter michaela lives in the neighborhood, and we talked almost every day. I want to check in on her, and this morning we talked about it again, and i said, what is it like . She said it is amazingly peaceful. But this is seattle, and the activity runs the gamut from the wto riots a couple of decades ago where there was a lot of rioting and looting, and this is nothing like that whatsoever, but it runs the gamut from that to what we call seattle nice. They have a problem at fourway stops in seattle, because nobody will go first. They always want the other person to go. The truth of the matter is that the overwhelming number of people involved are peacefully protesting something that is long overdue to be protested. Martha congressman, with all due respect, there is no niceness to any of these companies that have these businesses in the neighborhoods that are completely boarded up, no one can go shop there, they can go buy anything. They are completely shut down. The Police Officers would like to get back into the precinct so that they can do their jobs. We had carmen bass, the sound bite a little while ago. Lets listen to what else she says about how difficult it is to protect people in that zone. Listen to this. Our calls have more than tripled, rapes, robbery, officers are not able to get here. It is not okay to get our officers there. Martha robberies, and violent acts, how is that happening in the United States of america, sir . Response time has been protected, there is no question about that. You have different information than i do. I have information that there are businesses and restaurants open in that area. Martha we are showing pictures, congressman. You can see these businesses that have boards in front of them. This is not anything i am sayi saying. I did not say that they were all open, i said some, and no, i cant see your pictures in this connection, but i will take your word for it. I want to reiterate that what we see here with closely persistent retracted response times is not desirable or something that we want, but martha, heres what else we do not want, we do not want a nation in which the culture of Police Enforcement is that you can lay a black man on the pavement face down, handcuffed him, put your knee on his back and squeeze the life out of them while he is crying for his mama and pleading i cant breathe. And that was just one example, george floyd, that is emblematic of far too much institutional racism in this country. That is the statement that is being made. But it could not agree with you more. Getting back to where those businesses can be reopened is absolutely the goal. Martha when you listen to carmen best, the police chief, does she deserve to be swept with that broadbrush . Do all of these Police Officers in seattle felt the description of the heinous acts that you are describing . And when they wake up in the morning and they go out, and they can never guarantee that they are going to come home at night, are these the people that you think seattle needs to be protecting from . So the answer is of course not, martha. But remember that when the officer had george floyd down on the ground, there were three officers standing around him who did not stop it. Martha absolutely. And they are all in jail. They are all probably going to jail for the rest of their liv lives. Well, i doubt that. But the point is they were caught on video camera, and the question is how many werent caught . Should i just list for you the names of the number of people that have been killed at the hands of the police that happened to be black . In the last few years that were caught on camera, lets not pretend like this is not a systematic problem. Martha no, im not pretending anything. If you look at the data, there are those who say that that systemic is not the right word for what is going on. And i know that people differ on that point, we have covered all the stories of the names of the people that you would probably name, and i think that Police Departments across this country are saying we are willing to come to the table, and we want there to be reform, and we are not murderers. We dont stick up for any of these individuals, and we know justice must be done. But to sort of minimize what is going on in seattle is something that i am not sure is the right thing for peace and justice either, congressman. I would just give you one last thought. Ive reached out to several Law Enforcement officers in the course of the last several weeks, and you are right. There is frankly a new openness for transformational changes in the way that we approach policing. And i think that at the point at which we get more officers stepping forward and being willing to advocate for some of these cases that we will be a lot healthier of a country and our communities will be a lot safer. Part of what i hear from them all the time, martha, we would like to fight crime, we feel as though we were called, we are called to answer way too many incidents that are outside the purview of actually fighting crime. There are voices out there that want to join in the effort to advance policing practices. Martha congressman denny heck, thank you very much. Its good to have you tonight as always. Thank you. Martha we have been discussing the funds to Defund Police that is spreading to schools with one city, more than one city pushing down to remove the School Resource officers from their campuses that many were demanding in the wake of school shootings. 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Martha in a matter of weeks, we have watched a wholesale upending of the perception of police in this country that is playing out in ways that would have been shocking just even a month ago, movement to defund Police Departments has led to the dash led to cities across the country looking for budget cuts to prove that they are on board with the direction that things are going. In a move that wouldve been unthinkable after 18 shooting incidents last year in schools, Public School systems in denver, charlottesville, and seattle have voted to remove School Police or resource officers from protecting those schools from potential shooters or anyone who wishes them harm. With reaction to that in a larger way for what is going on here, victor davis hanson, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and case for trump, always good to see you, i found this move that to the schools that we have talked so much about violence at schools, that now the decision has been made to turn these officers out of these schools. I dont think anybody gets up in the morning and says i want a Police Officer at my school. I am speaking from somebody at a very impoverished area, who all three children of mine went to Public Schools. They have Law Enforcement officers to protect them. And every student there, this is largely an effort from the lower middle classes that did not have the money or the contacts or the influence to put their kids in private schools or to have private guards. And the irony of it is the effort to get them out of there is largely from virtue signaling elites that will never be subject to the consequences of their own ideology. The same thing holds true for the defunding of police. We will lay off a lot of Police Officers. At cut rate prices they will be hired by other communities of upscale liberal people who caused the middle classes and lower classes to be much more vulnerable, as you saw in your earlier segment in seattle. Martha when you look big picture with what is going on in seattle, do you see it spreading to other cities . We are watching a situation in nashville tonight which has not gone the way of seattle, but we are keeping an eye on it. Where do you see this going . I think it is diffused. It is not a Political Revolution that has anything to do with george floyd, it is a cultural revolution as in 1793, france, the reign of terror, the committee of public safety, or the cultural revolution, and they start to infuse the compass where we look at tv or movies or statues, every element of our life. And as they get diffused, there are contradictions that increase. They start to become cannibalistic. So nancy pelosi, she wants to remove statues in the capital, and get her own father was somebody who introduced confederate statues as the baltimore mayor. Your segment on raz simone, the rapper warlord, we found that he has a long history of homophobic pleading that is causing dissolution. To dan abrams who was a fierce critic of donald trump and promoted the hoax of russian collusion now is shock to that he of all people with a liberal source would be canceled out because he was accused of promoting a culture of military policeman. So this is what happens in these cultural revolutions. I hope that we dont get the stage where we get a napoleon or some of the who comes into restore order. But that happens that they get hijacked. And i think that it is already in the area of chaos and anarchy, and a lot of people who may not be happy with donald trump tweeting, and they may not see that there is one choice. And that his order and civilization versus anarchy and chaos, and they will make the adjustments. There will be a backlash coming, lets hope that it is liberal and moderate, but the people are getting very angry. They are not getting angry with guns and stones, but getting angry in various ways. They are avoiding certain activities and talking among themselves, and they will make their anger felt at the ballot box. Martha victor davis hanson, always good to hear your insight. Thank you very much. Thank you. Martha you bet. Any time. Good to have you. Race relations now, just talking about this, on top of mind, our politicians helping or fanning the flames in the lead up to the president ial campaign . Up next tammy bruce and Michelle Ritchie on the fast approaching election. Your cells. Trillions of them. Thats why centrum contains 24 key nutrients to support your energy. So you can take care of what matters most. And try new centrum minis today. Im a talking dog. The other issue. Oh. 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