American schools would be open and they would be open safely. Martha and President Trump today in wilmington, north carolina, amazing place to visit. Hes commemorating the se 70th anniversary veterans here including woody williams, who youve met here, medal of honor winner, he was in the oval office. Several were on air force one in north carolina. A very big day for all of those heroes and we are going to have more for you on that in just a little while tonight. About with a 62 days to go, if the president is to hold onto the white house he will have to win the ct won last time was a combination of a couple of others. Minnesota is another one on the list of that campaign. He lost it to Hillary Clinton by 1. 5 percentage points. The latest real clear politics average shows the president trailing joe biden the state of minnesota by about five grand. Biden will try to drive up suburban voters in minneapolis and to do that, he must win the battle over who makes you feel safer in those areas. A front and center issue in this campaign. But in the northeastern area of the state, whats known as the iron range region, an area that clinton won, President Trump has carved out and worked for quite some time out of following there. One of the things they are interested in is improving copper and nickel mines that were turned down by president obama and they are also interested in law and order there as well, given what happened in their state. My next guest is a mayor of a city that lies within the iron range area. He is an independent, former democrat, now independent, just endorsed President Trump along with five democrat mayors in his day. Mayor chuck novak of the city of ely joins me tonight. Good to have you here tonight. Thank you very much for joining us. Why do you think we have seen this sort of Momentum Shift and you are of minnesota . Hi, martha. Thanks for having me. Northeast minnesota has been primarily a mining, logging, and tourism. Our minds closed on 1967. Logging has been decimated. We are down to the economy is at a point where Median Income is below 36,000. The twin metals project, the richest copper, nickel, Precious Metals is being fought by environmentalists right now, and we are asking, lets go forward, lets do the process, let the epa and the other industries that this, my plan of operation. But our economy needs to grow back to where it was. We need to be vibrant again. We need good paying jobs. 60, 70 to 100,000 a year to get over that Median Income deficit that we have. The Obama Administration canceled the renewal of the leases for twin metal, the Trump Administration says no, renew the lease is, lets move forward with this. These metals are necessary for clean energy. Copper is very and nickel is very important. Plus, many Precious Metals in there. We are just trying of always having the thumbs down on the economy, and President Trump is the hope for us. Martha very interesting. The Steelworkers Union in district 11 does not agree with you and other mayors who have changed their support in this election. They say our union believes these mayors are misguided and dont fully understand the full economics of the industry of the iron range. Just drive down the streets of maryland and count the shut down businesses. It hardly seems like the roaring back to life that these mayors describe. That doesnt seem like what you just described. Do you say to them . First off, i never got to see that letter, i never signed it personally. That was a copy of my signature. I understand what they are saying. On the other hand, the main leadership of the iron, the Steelworkers Union has joined forces with the sierra club, an environmental group. Talk to the workers on the ground in the area that were supporting President Trump, not the leadership. Martha interesting. Weve seen that a lot around the country. What youre feel for things, 60 some days out . Do you think President Trump will win minnesota or do you think it will go towards joe biden . I think its leaning towards President Trump for minnesota. President trump took northeast minnesota by almost 16 points in his last election, so i know we are going that way, along with pete stopper for congress and jason lewis for senate. Martha very interesting and very good to talk to you, mayor novak. Thank you for your time tonight. We will appreciate watching this whole process play out over the next couple of months. Thank you, sir. Thank you, and let me say happy birthday to my bride of 39 years. Martha happy birthday, youre going to get extra points for that night. Thank you, mayor novak. Good to see you tonight and happy birthday to your bride. Joining me now, Senior Advisor to the trump campaign, former governor of pennsylvania and longtime chair of the dnc and friend of joe biden. Edward, i will begin with you. Youve been watching all of this for many years. What goes through your mind as you listen to that hardworking mayor in his northeastern area of minneapolis, an area that has been blue for decades, that he and the other mayors in his region are going to vote for President Trump . I can understand their frustration. The coal mine workers, President Trump said he was going to rely on the coal industry, thats not going to happen. There are more coal organizations than there were before President Trump became president. Things like bringing back industries depend on a lot of different variables, and its always tough to gauge whether theyre going to be there or n not. I do think President Trump has a chance to win minnesota. Its closer than its been. Anytime you see the poll by five points come hes a lot closer than that because weve seen it in pennsylvania, in 2016, they lied to pollsters, they dont always admit that they are for the president , but they are. I think that fivepoint lead is probably more like three points for us. It is going to be real close. I think it will go right down to the end. Martha your reaction to the mayor there, and other mayors who agree with him, and to the polls we are seeing tonight, which are definitely getting tighter. You can believe them or not believe them but they are what they are as we sit here today and look at those numbers. You know, the state of minnesota is changing. John mccain lost that state by ten and a quarter points. Mitt romney lost it by 7. 69 and donald trump lost it by 1. 5. The state is changing dramatically. We see that the Biden Campaign will start campaigning in minnesota because im sure theyve seen the same polling day that weve seen. This is a pickup opportunity from 2016 to expand the electoral map. It was a state we came very close to but as the mayor said, the rank and file people who work in these unions have historically voted and supported donald trump now, and theyre doing so in greater numbers every day because of his economic prosperity, which is coming to all corners of this country. I think we have a very Good Opportunity of winning minnesota and expanding the map. Also New Hampshire is a place where donald trump is going to do very well. I was with him on friday there when we had a thousand people turn out for that rally. We are on the offense right now. Martha New Hampshire lost by 3,000 votes last time around. I know you think he can close that gap. Another note on minneapolis. An interesting piece by tom friedman in the New York Times talking about the community that he grew up in in minnesota and he said Community Leaders in north minneapolis are unnerved by the notion of dismantling the police force for a vague alternative at a time when their neighborhood has experienced a surge in gang shootings, lootings and drug dealings, all exacerbated by the pandemic, spiraling unemployment, and demoralized Police Officers, who after the floyd killing, dont always have been numbers over the will to show up. That i think welldefines the concerns a lot of people have in the suburbs of minneapolis and in other places across the country where they are seeing this violence. Hes referring to a coalition of blackandwhite Families Together who dont want to see the police defunded. They want to see reforms put in place, definitely, but they want to make sure there is a ceiling number of Police Officers, because they simply dont have enough people to control the streets. Listen, martha, the first time he was asked about defining the police said absolutely not and your own Chris Wallace explained in his interview with donald trump, a trump lie that somehow joe biden was for defunding the police. Chris did a great job martha just to be clear, when he was first asked about it, he said he wanted to move the money around. And so the way that i hear it, a lot of Police Officers who have heard that say, you cant move the money around without giving up a little bit less. If you want more for social workers, if you want to reorganize that money, and that is the way they saw that. Are you saying he doesnt want to allocate any more funding towards social work or any of those other areas, and away from certain aspects of police . No, i think he was talking about moving the money around within the police budget. Less money for equipment and paraphernalia and more money for police. Remember, joe biden gave us the crime bill, which hes attacked for now, but that added 100,000 police to the streets of America Martha he never talks about that. He knows and done my stomach doesnt want anyone talking about that now. But im talking about it now because i was mayor of philadelphia and he added 1,000 police to our fours. He wont polic strip any policem their jobs, i guarantee you. I served on the same blue line, was in the academy, stood there toetotoe with other men and women who protect us every day and every conversation ive had with President Trump was he is going to defend and not defund the police. Shifting resources away from the Police Department, men and women who serve every day is defunding them. Never have i traveled around this country anywhere where someone has said to me, i want a less safe environment, lets safe school, less safe place to worship but thats what we get. To be when i was watching a panel on another channel of undecided voters, women in the suburbs, they say we think donald trump is trying to scare all of us. We are not that worried about what is going on in those cities that are far away. If its me, i think every american has the right to have the safety and security of hom homes, worship and businesses but if we look at the television we see cities being destroyed, marauders running through the streets. Thats unacceptable and civilized society. If he gets a phone call, the mayors have to invite us into do that but we stand with the men and women who serve on the Police Department across the country. Martha thank you, gentlemen. Good to see you both. Good to have you here. Coming up, the 2020 battle over covid19 as the cdc indicates to states that they should begin the process of getting ready for distribution of vaccines as early as november. Donna brazile and guy benson coming up next. 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Why arent you working on this . We need Emergency Support funding for our schools and we need it now. Mr. President , that is your job. Martha guy benson host of the guy benson show, both are fox news contributors. Welcome. Good to have both of you with us tonight. I spoke with the education secretary betsy devos on the program last night. Theres been 13. 2 billion that is gone through k12 in the early stimulus bill and theres been a proposed 50 billion more. I think a lot of people, and most of that 13. 2 billion has not even been used yet for a lot of the school budget. A lot of parents look at that and say why do parents think they need more money to go back to school and theyre going to strike if they dont have it. The money doesnt seem to be the issue, necessarily. As an educator, what concerns me is that not only is money being held up somewhere in the brae argosy, but we need resources to ensure that we can clean our classrooms, give our teachers and educators the ppe that they need and ensure the safety of our students once they return. I am back Teaching Online in a virtual space, which is of course my home and im enjoying it but yes, we all want to go back to school but we must do so safely. Martha i think theres a big hang up that seems to be happening in the teachers union, primarily, they will strike if they cant come back, and they are very much trying to get their kids back in the classroom, but it seems the joe biden guy is right, when you look at the polls, because who do you trust to do a better job of coronavirus and you see the polls, joe biden coming out strongly ahead on the handling of this virus. I think biden is doing exactly what he should be doing, it would be crazy for him not to step back and say, if it was done better, things would be a lot better, we would have school, football, everything would be fabulous by now. If i were in charge, x, y, and z. Im very dubious that that is actually true. A lot of the judgment calls he wouldve made based on his own rhetoric are highly questionable and i think hes a sort of spinning a tale here for voters. When people feel like things arent going well and should be going better into the Opposition Party not in charge, you have the benefit of being able to make a bunch of promises and assert a bunch of things. Not necessarily provable, its counterfactual, where people are like, okay, that seems like it could be different, lets give it a shot. That is obviously what biden is trying to do. Martha and a couple of areas or he has said what he would do. He was asked today by peter doocy, still having large events in march, late march, and you were talking about, now the president at the wrong thing. But he wasnt stopping those events at that point either, which makes it sound like he probably wouldnt have done anything differently if he was in the white house, either. On the mask mandate he said this, watch this. Theres a question whether or not our president under the constitution could mandate everyone wear a mask. Martha he was essentially saying, i said the other day i would mandate everyone wear a mask in the country but it turns out i couldnt actually do that, wouldnt have the authority. Not sure he wouldve had the authority. To speak of the missing ingredient throughout the entire pandemic has been national leadership, the leadership that should be coming from the white house and whether joe biden is elected or not, we need a national leadership, National Guidance for all state and local jurisdictions. Im glad there is a mask requirement now and the district of columbia. I wish we had had it sooner and perhaps we would not have lost over 600,000 people. We can play politics, im a member of the union. Im proud to be a union member but im also a member of my community and im also a faculty member, so i hope that we are not pitting one group against the other because we need to follow the science and the data to ensure. Martha what he said his as president , what he would do differently is that there would be a mask mandate and today he said, i now realize that constitutionally, i cant do that. It is actually up to the states, like d. C. Did their mask mandate, as you pointed out. Im just trying to determine what it was that joe biden would have done differently because on a couple of these points, it doesnt sound like he wouldve done much differently. Joe biden came out when donald trump was still trying to call it a hoax, joe biden came out with a plan. He has several plans. In fact, he talked to donald trump. If you want to take sides in this argument, i will take the side of joe biden and say joe biden did reveal a plan, he did say heres what he would do because he has experience in the last crisis we have in the last administration of handling this. I do believe we should follow the signs and the data because this has had a disproportionate impact on the lives of americans, my family and many other families. Im sure your family as well. Martha the polls show that people agree with you. They think joe biden would handle it better and this is clearly going to be a big issue. Just a super Quick Response from both of you on this nancy pelosi thing. She says she was set up. Quick thought i would like to get a final thought from donna on this. [laughs] it is so unbelievably ludicrous to say this was a set up and that she is the victim and actually a hero because she is drawi