Cnn president jeff zucker have been enraged by that charge and have sought to undermine her credibility as a result. What does she have to say in response . Donna brazile joins us tonight. Thanks for coming on. Hey, what a great honor to be with you tonight after the democrats did so well across the country yesterday. Im excited to be here, excited about what happened in virginia and new jersey, and excited to talk to you about my new book. Let me say this. Tucker [laughs] let me ask a question. Congratulation on on your Party Success last night. Thank you. Tucker ive been watching because ive known you a long time and ive watched to work for more than 20 years, and im watching people who know you well, journalists and Democratic Party officials, go after you, and the one thing i noticed is that the attacks all sound the same. My guess, and i want to ask you as a professional political person, it seems obvious that there was coordination, that someone is doing oppo on you in response to your book. Who you think that is . I dont really have time to figure out who is spending im sure some much needed money that needs to go to Democratic Candidates next year, to figure out what i said in this book is factually correct. I want to tell you, i wanted to write this book to tell my story. I wanted the American People to see what happened. I became chair of the party for the second time in my life because our party was under attack, we were hacked. Thats why i was called upon to step up and become chair again. When you read the book, youve mentioned it, weve known each other a long time. We were colleagues once at cnn. The book tells some hard truths, because as you well know, im not just any democrat, democratic operative, im an activist. I come from the grassroots. I come from the party, i care about the future of our country and democracy. As chair of the party, we lost an election last year many people thought we were going to win, and so i did a forensic examination of what we did wrong and what we could do better so that we could win elections in the future. Tucker that seems like a wise and obvious thing to do. It was an unexpected loss, why not figure out why it happened. You were not seeing very many people in your party go along with that course, and instead of sitting to your analysis of why Hillary Clintons campaign failed, they are attacking you and impugning your motives. The Hillary Campaign, almost every member of it, released a statement accusing you of buying russianfueled propaganda. Jeff zucker, your former boss over at cnn was enraged when he read the book excerpt that ran last thursday, and you are seeing your former colleagues say you were just doing this for the money. Why are the they not more willing to listen to the prescription that comes out of this book . Many of those individuals who signed that letter, ive been in the trenches with them for more than 30 years of my adult life, and that i had to go back in the trenches with them next year i would go back because i believe in justice and fairness and equality. I didnt take a salary from the dnc. I gave up everything, i took a leave of absence from cnn and abc. The only thing i really went back to was teaching at georgetown, because i love my students and i wanted to be there for them with a historic collection on the horizon. I wrote this book because i wanted democratic activists, rankandfile democrats, those of the people i listen to, those of the people that i respond to. I want them to know how hard we worked to elect Hillary Clinton and other democrats up and on the ticket. We came up short, as you well know, less than 80,000 votes short in three states, then tonight we would be having a different conversation. We would be talking about Hillary Clintons first year in office. Instead we are talking about how the Democratic Party can come back stronger so that we can become more competitive in 2018 and beyond, and what i saw last night, i see a party that is capable of coming back out of the wilderness. I see a party with fresh faces, new blood, new energy, in large part because of tom perez and keith ellison, karen, and so many other people on the dnc, they are working hard to change things for the country. Tucker you havent mentioned anybody who helped run the Hillary Campaign. Robbie, for example. Would you hire him to run the next Democrats Campaign . We are both at harvard. When the democrats win the popular vote and the republicans win the electoral college, People Like Us get to go up to harvard and take a forensic examination of how we can improve our democracy. I went over to see robbie last week. I have Great Respect for robbie. But i was very complimentary of him in the book. Tucker i want you to see what he is saying about you on television, heres part of it. The idea that the dnc could rake a contest, frankly, is laughable. The allegations shes making are simply not true. We certainly dont recognize the campaign she described, we also dont recall some of the events. She said that happened. Im sure her publisher put her under a lot of pressure, i wish he would just put her foot down and said im not going to do this. Hes describing usa hapless pond of your publisher. [laughs] , on the third of nine children and the one thing my parents taught us was to stand up, fight for ourselves, pray, and get up the next day. Heres what i know. I was chair of the party, but more importantly i was an officer of the dnc. Ive been a member of the Democratic National committee since 1997. I know how things operate, on the former chair of the party, so to suggest to anyone that i dont know what im talking about, im not focusing on what robby is saying, unfolding imn making sure that our party will become stronger. You have to let these wounds heal. We had a competitive primary. I dont know when the republicans will sit down and heal their wounds, but we are healing our wounds, and we are going to learn how to become a stronger, more effective party. Tucker heres part of what you say about robby mook in the book. Ive worked with men all my life and politics, and i can sense when they get to this part about not being able to deal with the woman. It was not a racial thing, it was a gender thing. Every time you mentioned they were trying to shut you down because you are a woman, all of these guys are like no, no, no, no, no. My question is, you are saying you were the victim of sexism from the management of the Hillary Clinton campaign. What was their response when you said dont treat me differently because im a woman . I may have also stated in the book, i think i did in three or four chapters, that it was also generational. I come from the old school, i come from the school where you have a three by five index card. I come from the school where you actually knock on doors, you talk to people and you try to get their support, and then you try to get them out on election day. Robby comes from a school that is a lot different than the school i came from. They do algorithms, they do data modeling, and one i would come back go tucker and they do sexism, too, apparently, from your book. You only renna whole campaign about breaking the gas ceiling and heres a guy running the campaign diminishing you. It was dismissive. Condescending and dismissive. Those are the words i characterize in the book. I said robby, i was in cuyahoga county, or i just left colorado, and i wanted the campaign to understand that. We need on august 19th when donald trump said what the hell do you have to lose . He made that comment in front of a black audience, and he made that comment in front of me. I was fighting for what i normally fight for in a campaign, whether im a campaign activist, or a campaign chairwoman, im fighting for resources to get our message out, because my job was to help elect Hillary Clinton and democrats from the courthouse all the way up to the United States house and senate. Tucker you havent seen in the book that has been much remarked upon, where hillary is really sick, you say she is overworked and she has an infection, may be pneumonia, and she is so sick that you have this moment we think maybe we need to replace her, maybe she will be able to continue, thats the point at which you said maybe the Vice President would be a good replacement. That is such a big deal, it was striking when i read that, i thought here are a thousand reporters coming to his campaign not one of them picked up anything like that, that the candidates health was that bad . That she was being considered may be not able to finish . Do think reporters knew that . How could they not know that . I had a lot of reporters were calling my office, calling my home, texting me, sending me emails. It was reported that i mentioned that broke the story to me that she had fainted. I immediately called up to brooklyn and i tried to reach people to find out if this was a rumor, as you well know, with the russian meddling in our campaign, and yes, it happened, there were so many rumors that you had to debunk, and so by the time i saw the video, and the video went viral. You can imagine what was happening within the democratict was happening inside of the inner circle. Tucker i remember, and everything was fine. It was viral. In every five to 7 minutes. Hillary is a friend, i cared about her health. I cared about her campaign but the last thing i want, i wanted to know how she was doing. I wanted to know if she was okay. Thats why in the book you read that i suggested that she get some acupuncture, because i like acupuncture, it helps me when im out there fighting. Quickly about the russians, you have a lot in the book about that, and your concerns about hacking the servers over at the dnc. If you believe the russians did that, why didnt the Democratic National committee allow the fbi to examine those servers . Why were they given over to a vendor and not the u. S. Government . That is a great question, and let me tell you, its in the book as well. On the dnc officer, Debbie Wasserman schultz, when it was brought to her attention, she immediately reached out to get cybersecurity experts on board. She reached out to a former number three at the fbi, who is currently working with an Organization Called cloud strike. Along with our cyber attorney, they provided the fbi with everything that they requested. We were still using tucker come on now. Bottom line is, its Debbie Wasserman schultz who made that decision, i think that the headline here. If you think the Intelligence Service of a Foreign Government is breaking into your computers in the campaign you want actual federal investigators to get to the bottom of it. You are saying that she stop that. She did not stop that, she cooperated. She turned over for everything, but we were still running the party. We still had our mainframe being managed, being remediated. Tucker but you couldnt allow the fbi access to that. We spent over 60,000 to provide the fbi, the government, because we wanted their help. After i received my fbi brief in august, do know what i wanted to do . I wanted to go to the pentagon, i didnt want to go back to the dnc, i wanted some datable yellow tape around the dnc, i was scared. We were under attack. Tucker federal investigators never had access to your server if you recall, james comey was under oath and said that he was able to get everything you needed from the dnc. Tucker he doesnt know that. He didnt have access to your servers, he shouldnt have said that. Why would we hold onto servers that were filled with malware . When i became chair, let me just say this, from august, from the moment i became chair, we cooperated with dhs, fbi, cia, anybody who would help us, we want to help, because our countries our country our country was under attack. It wasnt just the Democratic Party. Tucker Debbie Wasserman schultz apparently wouldnt turn them over. We turned over the information. Tucker and Hillary Clinton supporter had this to say about you on the show. I dont know whether Donna Brazile is a kook, but what she said is kooky. Tucker we will get your response to that next. I will give you 3 minutes to formulate your response to richard goodstein. 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I believe that it was february 10th in baltimore when the Democratic Party was hosting its final future forum to elect new officers for the Democratic Party. Tucker but have you spoken to her the reason im asking is every democrat i know, the professional democrats from jeff soccer, all the way to gentle mary and all the people youve worked with over the years, all seem mad, and i know the clintons are in that group, have they complained to you or people you know . What is the response you are getting . First of all, let me just say this, last week i reached out to as many clinton staffers as possible to let them know that my book was finally coming out, excerpts. I didnt have to do that. I also flew down to washington, d. C. , to inform my colleagues at the dnc, again, i didnt have to do that. I am a democrat, a lifelong democrat, and if they choose not to read the book, or they decide to write their own book, i hope they will do that. I read hillarys book, what happen. Its a great book because its historical, biographical, and also, as a woman who has been very, very active in politics, i thought she really examined some of the reasons why she fell short, so i suggest for those who are upset, or not capable of still making my book, write the. I want to respond that last clip that you showed me before the break. Tucker s the one where the male democrat dismissed her claims having experienced sexism by saying you were crazy, something i thought we werent allowed to do. First of all, my mother when i was a kid growing up used to say its not what they call you, its what you answer to. I want to channel another woman who i admire so much, and that is michelle obama, who said when they go low, you go high. And perhaps what i did on sunday when i told some of my detractors to go to hell, and some of my conservatives know that i have always had a quick tongue. I told people in the past when i really feel. I should have channeled michelle and just go high. Im thinking now, you know me and ive known you for a long time, we havent gone fishing, but i have a lot of kids out there that know me, that believe in me, they know who i am. I walk the streets in virginia with him just recently. They know that i stand behind them. They are up at harvard, georgetown, and i want them to know that i am still the same donna that they have always known. Im feisty, and gutsy. And as you well know tucker theyve come after you and said, look, its a little much for you to criticize the dnc for colluding with the Hillary Campaign when you conceded that you leaked questions to the Hillary Campaign during a cnn town hall, before cnn town hall. My question whenever reading this is, did no one at cnn know that happen . Did they really learn for the first time when they read your book . How could they not have known that . I surely hope now everybody will go out and buy the book. Its called hacked, the inside story. Tucker [laughs] did nobody at cnn know that you did that . You apparently got them from you cannot put words in my mouth. That has not forced me to not stand my ground. I said in the book tucker im asking about cnn. You havent gone on their air, they are mad at you, obviously. Did they know that you leaked these questions, really simple question . I said last year tucker sounds like you did. Dont try to put words in my mouth. I said last year that cnn never provided us with any questions. Cnn never gave us anything in advance. What i did say, what i have set in the past, and what i say in this book is that as an officer of the dnc and i know wikileaks gave everybody certain questions in certain emails, but as an officer of the dnc, i sought to expand the number of debates, and i wanted to make sure that we had diverse voices, and we covered issues that had not been discussed in previous debates, and what i did give me one more second, i know its your show, im not trying to take over. What tucker, i know you too well. What i sought to do was to ensure that we had these issues on the table, and i didnt want our candidates blindsided. Thats what i admitted to. What wikileaks put out tucker sets the greatest span ive ever heard that so good you should do this for a living that is hilarious. Tucker. Weight. Wikileaks wikileaks sought to divide us. These were active measures where you got to see the things i get to hillary, you never got a chance to see the things i give to bernie or Martin Omalley. Let me just tell you tucker im totally happy, you bring those and i will put them on the show. In the book, this is an sincere personal