Nancy pelosi into the oval office. Turned on the cameras, and informed them he was ready to shut down the federal government in order to get a border wall. Heres what happened next. One thing i think we can agree on is we shouldnt shut down the government over a dispute, and you want to shut it down. The last time, chuck, you shut it down. No, no, no. I dont want to do what you did. I will shut down the government if i dont get my wall, none of us you want to put you said it you know what i will say . Yes. If we dont get what we want, one way or another, whether it is through you or military, there anything you want to call, i will shut down the government. Okay. I disagree. I am proud to shut down the government for Border Security, because the people of this country dont want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring intoh our country. I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. Im not going to blame you for it. The last time you shut it down, it didnt work. I will take the mantle of shutting it down. Tucker body language any indication, Chuck Schumer has never hated anything in his whole life more than he hated that moment you just saw. Weirdly, in washington, there is always a scramble to blame the other side for government shutdowns. That is not what happened todayr you just heard the president said he would be proud to take responsibility for thesi government shutting down because a wall is too important. President trump we needca Border Security, the wall as part of Border Security. You can have good Border Security without the wall. That is a political promise. Border security is a way to effectively honor our responsibilities. The experts say you can do Border Security without a wall, which is wasteful and doesnt solve the problem. Tucker by this point in the exchange, not a Single Person watching at home was tempted to change the channel. It was just too compelling. The president himself appeared to be enjoying it. Pelosi was not enjoying it. She complained the world was watching her argument in real time, but the president would not relent. We came in here in good faith, and we are entering into a discussion in the public view. President trump is not bad, nancy. Its called transparency. A situation where it is not easy for her to talk right now, and i understand that. I fully understand that. We can have a good discussion, and we will see what happens. Ll but we have to have Border Security. Mr. President , please dont characterize the strength i bring to the House Democrats is one big victory. Elections have consequences, mr. President. Tucker it was an amazing moment. The president as a best when he was fighting for the principles he ran on, but tweeting is not making policy and threatening a shutdown is not the same ass shutting down the government, or as getting a wall built. The president has made that threat before. In march, signed a spending bill with no wall funding, said hen would never sign a bill like that again. In july, he tweeted this, i would besh willing to shut down government and the democrats do not give us the boat for Border Security, which includes a wall. A september budget showdown came and went with no shutdown and no wall. This, december 2018, is the president s final chanceis to gt a border wall, central to his campaign in 2016. That will never happen while democrats control the chamber of commerce. We will see what happens. In the meantime, Richard Goodstein joins us, an attorney that advised bill and Hillary Clinton. We are happy to have him. Get the theatrics of it, amazing, we dont know whether pelosi and schumer knew theree were going to be cameras there. That will become clear in the coming days. It is clear that the democrats adamantly opposed the wall. But they are for a fence. What is the difference . The signature promise was we are going to build a wall and mexico is going to pay for it we just had a nafta deal signed, his opportunity to get mexico to pay, and he didnt. Can we at least suspend any belief that he is going to make good on that part of the promise . Can we agree on that . Tucker i think the rest of us are interested, not just in the rhetoric, but we have 22 Million People here illegally. That is a disaster. Everyone agrees. The latest estimate is 22 tens of millions here illegally. Our borders are not secure. I democrats said they are for af fence, but against a wall. Pelosi told us last week the wall is immoral. What is the difference between a fence and a wall . Why is a fence okay but a wall is not . I will quote john kelly in his confirmation hearing. A physical barrier in and of itself does not do the job, we do not want to keep playingf goal line defense against people owning it from another country. Again, can we agree when the president says we are starting, we built a wall, that is nonsense. We have those prototypes sitting in the desert. For months and months and months and he was supposed to pick one, and he hasnt. Tucker we can agree with what i have said a million times on the show, he promised to build a wall and we should build one. What is he asking for now, i agree with you, but he is asking for the money to pay for the wall that he promised. The people want, the people voted for that, 64 Million People. Most people voted against him. Tucker why aret, democrats i dont understand what the v opposition is. Its wasteful, okay, this is a party that supports headstart after 55 years why do they support a fence and not a wall . Im honestly being sort of a simple person. Explain it to me. When there was a bill that passed the senate back in 2013, both from orrin hatch, lindsey graham, marco rubio, for comprehensive immigration reform, it included beefing up Border Security. I didnt call for a wall because, as Chuck Schumer said, the experts believe the wall, like israel had, would it be wouldnt be effective here, for a variety of reasons we could spend the whole segment talk about. Tucker is a moral . No. Because i think the people coming into israel are blowingpl people up in a way the immigrants are helping pick our food. Thats the difference. Tucker some are picking food, some are committing crimes. Israel built the wall because they want to know who is coming over from the territories because its its country. This is our country, so it is not a moral when they do it, but it is immoral when we do it. A fence is okay but a wall is not okay. What is immoral is spending money on something you know is not going to work. The experts john kelly was up tucker not one year. John kelly was up for department of Homeland Security secretary, and he said the wall was not going to build from sea to shining sea. Tucker here is the point, whatever we are doing does not work. You know as well as i that the fear with the wall as it will work, and will prevent voters from coming over from latin america to bolster the fortunes of a party that actual americans dont really like that much, which is the democratic party. Thats a caricature. Tucker whats the real answer than . Its not that. Even the bill that the democrats passed. It would have passed the house, incidentally and had 15 republican votes in the senate, called for a very protracted period of time before people who were already here get citizenship. Tucker normal people are like, we dont have control of our borders. A wall is not the whole answer. Donald trump brags about the fact, all these people being stopped. He has to get his record straight. Has it worked or not worked . He cant even be consistent. Tucker im here to defend the country, not a politician. Illegal immigration is actually spiking right now. There are lots of reasons for that but the fact remains that its true and its bad for our country. Weve never tried a wall. A lot of republicans are against aa wall because they are for a illegal immigration. Because their donors are for it. I get it. I just want to know what thet argument against a wall is. All the things we spend money on, why not try the wall . No, that is immoral, why . Im not saying its immoral, im saying its impractical. Im not the expert, nor are you, but the people who are say it is impractical. He everification, getting employers not to hire people who are here illegally. That would be effective. Tucker democrats are opposed to universal everify. Democratic votes in the senate. Tucker there is no universal democratic support for that because their donors make money from undercutting american wages with foreigners. Come on. In the bill that passed with every democrat in the senate in 2013 and would have passed the house tucker so you think pelosi is foror universally verified. We are going to punish employers if she is for that . They are illegals. No, she is against that. Nancy pelosi has said from the start, back then, if you bring up that bill that passed the senate. Tucker they are all against it. Can you see the frustration where we fund other countries border walls and call themer virtuous, americans are like, we want to protect our own country and shut up racist, you are immoral, do you see the problem . That would be a problem foror it is true. Tucker its totally true. The democrats want to beef up security along the border. Thats a myth. I know that plays to the base. It happens not to be true. Tucker how did we get illegals here that democrats are protecting . How did that happen, therefore they are for illegal immigration, duh. Tucker theres no no community of people. There are hispanic people who voted for trump, all kinds of different views. Just because people are one ethnicity doesnt mean theyll have the same views, you know what i mean . Of course, that is true of every. Obama deporting millions of people, the notion that democrats are unwilling to deport people happens not to square with the facts. Tucker weve got all these people here and i see nancy pelosi telling me i am a moral for wanting fix it. I think, give her a chance to get a bill passed in the house, we will see. Tucker i hope youll come back. Richard, good seeing you. Thank google ceo came to capitol hill you. Today, Congress Asked him a lot of questions. Did he answer any of them . One of the republicans to do the questioning joins us next. Will it feel like the wheend of a journey . P working, or the beginning of something even better . When you prepare for retirement with pacific life, you can create a lifelong income. 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When the president said to senator schumer, i will gladly take that mantle, i think he was saying he would gladlyus and proudly take the mantle of doing what the voters we intended to do, which is build a Border Security wall. The Freedom Caucus in particular, we took a position last night, tucker, we support t the president , 5 billion for the border, and lets reform asylum laws while we are at it, that will address the problem. Si tucker for frustrated viewers watching at home wondering why the centralre promise of the Campaign Still remains unfulfilled, was it the speaker of the house, paul ryan, who prevented this from happening for the last two year years . Our leadership not pushing hard enough and paul not pushin . Hard enough, and also democrats are for open borders, they want to abolish i. C. E. Their partys champion in the last election, secretary clinton, what does she run on . A borderless hemisphere. It is all part of that. But the president today i think made it pretty darn clear hes going to stand firm and focus on doing what we were elected to do and i always say we make this job too complicated. That is a basic thing to focus on. Dont get too complicated, just do what you were elected to do. We were elected to build a Border Security wall. Tucker i think that is exactly right. The ceo of the google came to capitol hill today. You asked, i thought, the most interesting question of the entire hearing. About a leaked google documentd that shows a google employee bragging about turning the latino vote out in 2016 to help Hillary Clinton win. You asked them about this. What did you think of his answer . I dont think he gave an answer. In that email from the head of their multicultural marketing division, she actually says he gave us a shout out. The complement her from a place to work and then he said i dont know anything about what she did. There were two sentences key, she said we were trying to get the latino vote, and the keyword in both sentences were in key states. That makes it political. They were focused on the latino vote in key states. Which means, we all know this, competitive states. He frankly wouldnt answer the question,t so i said, who is right, who is wrong . Did you say it, did you do it . He never got around to answering that. That underscores this took place, and they dont want to talk about it. Tucker you have evidence t of the most powerful company in the world working actively to subvert our democracy, to borrow a phrase you hear in capitol hill. In the middle of a president ial election. Were democrats upset about that . Thats my concern, 3. 5 billion searches per day done on these platforms, most of those are done on google. And if they are having this kind of bias, and their key people are focusing on helping one party at the expense of the other, that is a problem. Never forgot, we have seen this not just with google. I know personally, this summer there were four republican members, four conservatives, shadow banned by twitter. And congress, there are 435 in the house, 100 in the senate, but only four, gates, meadows, nunez and jordan get shadow band. Twitters response is it was a glitch in our algorithm. Really . What did you put in the algorithm . Nheir names . This is the kind of response we get from these folks, with the power they have, 3. 5 billion searches per day, all the people on twitter every day, they have this kind of power and they wont admit bias in front of usn when we see it in an email leaked from google itself. That is a concern, that is why we have the hearing. G. Thats why i pushed him. I wish we would have gotten a little more in the form of an answer from him. Tucker these Companies Operate as platforms under an exemption given to them by the United States congress under the communications act, u you are aware of this. S why not take that away tomorrow . We should. There are a couple of bills we should look at and think about actually taking that away. K congressmen have bills, they would say you are no longer a neutral platform. When they are making and limiting points of view, you are now a publisher, you are, in effect, a newspaper. If that is the case, there is a different law to govern you, ane you are no longer immune from liability. We may have to move in that direction. We may have to look at breaking these companies. I dont know. What we do know is theres a problem, at least there appears to be a big problem, and we need to highlight that and then look, what is the solution . It may be just that. Tucker congressman, great to see you tonight. T thank you, tucker. Tucker are you a bigot if youre concerned about immigration levels . If so, the entire planet is bigoted. We have a new survey on Global Attitudes toward immigration, and it turns out you are not alone, not even close. 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