Harvard graduates went to work for newsweek. Not anymore. Teen vogue has a News Division and so does a blog called buzz feed. If you are an affluent Single Person who likes cats, then you know and love buzz feed. When a buzz feed headline commands you to stop everything and watch this, you do. You stop everything and you watch that cat. When buzz feed offers a trademark cat quiz, you take the quiz. What kind of pursanality does your cat have . Take this quiz. Meow you think you know a lot about cats. Buzz feed knows more. All on questions feline buzz feed is the final authority. What happens when buzz feed tries to do real news. In 2017 we found out. Releasing the trump dossier, it was unverified gossip financed by the dnc by president elect trump. Many other news outlets saw the dossier but passed on it. But not buzz feed. They thought it was purrfect so they ran it. 2 years ago later the buzz feed dossier defines the entire trump russian collusion conspiracy tale. A lot of dossier is untrue. For example, one key claim in the dossier that buzz feed ran was that the trump Attorney Michael Cohen held secret meetings with russian agents in prague. They never offered any evidence and last week Michael Cohen himself confirmed it never happened. Have you ever been to prague . Never have. Never been to the czech republic. Tucker that seems like a big development. 2 years ago buzz feed told us that Michael Cohen held a secret meeting with russian spies in prague. We have been hearing that about ever since in congress and on cable news. He halted the normal workings of government because of that meeting. Now it turns out it never took place. Its not a small thing to learn from Michael Cohen. How did buzz feed cover this latest Stunning Development . They didnt cover it. They ignored it. Buzz feed floated a story about 21 life changing things you can make in a waffle maker. There was nothing about the nonexistent Michael Cohen russian spy meeting in practicing. Prague. A lot of people in the media only read buzz feed and not just for cat coverage. Buzz feed published a story with this sentence. President trump directed his long time Attorney Michael Cohen to lie to congress about building a trump tower in moscow. Buzz feed did not show that was true. It didnt matter. The cat lovers on cable news went crazy. It would be a bombshell. The latest report. A bombshell report. From buzz feed. If this is true. The bombshell report. Tucker it was really a bombshell. Sometimes it was. The claim was directing someone to lie under oath is a felony. This been true the Trump Presidency would have ended for a legitimate reason. But it was not true. It was like the claim that cat sucks breath from baby or a black cat brings bad luck. The Mueller Investigation itself bad down buzz feeds story after this came out. Buzz feed never retracted the piece. The site pretended that nothing happened. You can yell at a cat but cant make it pay attention. The key quotes from the january buzz feed story. Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to congress and the president personally instructed him to lie. And one again, the first example of trump telling a subordinant to lie about his own dealings with russia. Thats the claim. Democratic members of Congress AskedMichael Cohen last week about that specific claim. Cohen was under oath at the time. A declared enemy of donald trump. Not someone who had any reason to lie. Heres how he responded. Mr. Trump did not tell me to lie to congress. Thats not how he operates. Tucker okay. Make sure we have this clear. Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie. He personally instructed him to lie. He explicitly told him. Those are the claims from buzz feed. Did Michael Cohen really do that . Heres his act again. Did the president in any way coach you in terms of how to respond to questions or the contents of your testimony before a House Committee . Again its difficult to answer. He doesnt tell you what he wants. What he does, again, michael, there is no russia. There is no collusion. There is no interference. I know what he means because i have been around him for so long. If you are asking me whether or not thats the message on point, thats the party line that he created that so many others are now touting, yes, thats the message he wanted to reinforce. Tucker thats the message. Michael cohen said that trump claimed there was no russian collusion and no interference in the 2016 president ial election. Thats exactly what trump has been telling the world for 2 years. Every day in a loud voice to anyone who will listen. Buzz feed claims that this is somehow proof its original story was accurate. Ben smith is the editor and chief of buzz feed news. He was game enough to join us. We are grateful to join us. Not his first time on the show. I am thankful you came. First the dossier. This is a sincere question. You publish the dossier and we debated whether that was a wise move but you did. We learned in the testimony that cohen did not go to prague. We only believed he went to prague because you ran the story. You never ran a followup story informing your readers of that. Why . Thats totally false. In weeks of publishing the dossier, we were reaching out to cohen and we photographed the inside of his passport. We published his denial that he went to practicing. Tucker hold on. I just read that story 20 minutes ago. [overlapping talking]. Tucker i just read the story you published. It did not say because you didnt have evidence that he didnt go to practicing. Prague. Last week we had him under oath saying he didnt go to prague. Thats one of the headlines out of the hearing. Yet you ignored it. Since you published the dossier dont you have the obligation to tie the bow and tell us what happened in the end . We covered the hell out of that. Tucker if i read a story i am surprised you think that cohens latest statement makes it more of a fact. It was not a new development. Tucker we get to ask Michael Cohen in public. He has ever reason to tell us if yes, he went to prague and everything you think about trump is true. He hates trump. Now he can tell us the truth. He tells us the opposite, no hoo did not go. The dossier claimed carter pages life was destroyed that he received 11 billion dollars from a Russian Energy company in a deal. He didnt. I dont think buzz feed ever told us that. Why not . We published the dossier at the time not because we had been able to stand up or knock down every allegation. We said unverified document and its important Public Document at the heart of an feb. Investigation. When we talked about this last time i got the impression you agreed with that. Nunes said there was a secret document. It makes my case but you are not allowed to see it. You would be able to make the arguments you made about Christopher Steele and the people on the other side saying this document will scald your eyes out if you look at it. Tucker i get it. I said it at the time, i think thats not a crazy argument to make. I agree with you. Tucker in favor of openness. You are a journalist and not simply a guy who runs a platform. You are not running google. You are running a news site. You inject these claims and dont followup. If i run a piece by your neighbor saying ben shot somebody, dont i have an obligation when you get acquitted to cover that story. Why doesnt you . Some of them are very, very hard to confirm or knock down. Discussions between Vladimir Putin and his aide. Cohen was straightforward. Tucker and carter pages life was destroyed. He cant get a job. Considered a russian spy and never been charged with anything. Your dossier added to the perspension perception he is not a loyal person. You talked about the trump tower in moscow and this guy lives with this claim against his name and you have not corrected it. We reported on carter page and his contact with russian intelligence back in the day and we talked to him. He was at my office several months ago at a reception. I dont know how carter page feels, but we have carried his side of this. You dismissed something before. A lot of it is the collusion story and the wild allegations of collusion. The tower story that Michael Cohen is going to jail about lying, the story you feel cohen and you i disagree on what cohen said. Its not a collusion story. Its a real estate story. Tucker i am aware of that. [overlapping talking]. You spent a lot of time talking about cats. Tucker i claim i made in the open. Here you have cohen and the Mueller Investigation both debunking the socalled bombshell you ran in january. You are refusing to admit its been bedunked. I paid two pieces of tape of Michael Cohen saying its not true and you said its still true on what count . Michael cohen was saying in his way he was telling me to lie. I dont think there is dispute that cohen claims, you could say he was lying, he claims trump was telling him to lie. When this first went out you called it a hoax. Tucker thats not what your piece said. He told him to. Cohen described in meetings. Cohen described personal meeting with jay sekulow and trump. Everyone is chasing for more details. Its hard to argue without a transcript of the meeting. Trump said no russia, no deal. Thats personal. Talking about the testimony. Is it that explicit . Thats a reasonable argument. Saying the whole story is about a hoax. Tucker hold on. Look, i want to say once again, i respect you coming on to defend your reporting. Most people wont and you will. I think you deserve a lot of credit. But its the details that matter in life as in news stories. Your story said, he explicitly told cohen to lie. Cohen was asked twice by two democratic members of congress if that was true and said it was untrue. Why not say parts of our story were right but we went too far and made a claim we cant back up . The subject of the allegation denies and we admit it . I think as jason said that the bar seems to be did he say, michael, i now instruct you to lie. Anything short of that . Tucker thats what your piece says. In the context of his system, no russia, no deal. Details of that Exchange Matter a lot. Where and how he said that. It matters a lot. The question of whether trump is directing and ordering people and how he is talking about it is something everybody is wrestling with it. You saw the New York Times report that he ordered kelly to do something but didnt the exact words. Michael cohen worked for him a long time. Its not crazy that he should be expected to be able to interpret his bosss words. Tucker i appreciate you coming on. The door is always open to you. Michael cohens testimony last week seemed to put a dent in the russian collusion narr stiff. Narrative. Has the story changed at all . Thats next. Guys, i want you to meet someone. This is jamie. Youre going to be seeing a lot more of him now. Im not calling him dad. Oh, nno. Look, [sighs] i get it. Some new guy comes in helping your mom bundle and save with progressive, but hey, were all in this together. Right, champ . Im getting more nuggets. How about some carrots . You dont want to ruin your dinner. Youre not my dad thats fair. Overstepped. Guys, were being robbed of our masculinity. But now theres alpha king, from force factor, to help you fight back. Boost testosterone for more lean muscle in the gym, more energy, and more drive. Unleash your potential with alpha king. 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It doesnt matter. People who believe in the russia conspiracy believe just as much as they did before Michael Cohen testified. On a pod cast Hillary Clinton said its the job of her party to keep digging all the way through the earth until they reach the kremlin. There is enough grounds in what has already been made public for the government, for congress in particular to be doing more with it. I am pleased that under Speaker Pelosi the democrats are beginning to hold hearings and try to connect some of these dots. Tucker this is an independent journalist. Michael tracy, thanks for coming on. Have we reached a point where its not impossible to prove that the russia conspiracy is not real . Its most instructive to see what the leading democrats leading the charge are saying. They changed their opportunity. The general who would lead the impeachment proceedings against President Trump said he reserves the right to disagree with Robert Muellers final report. Adam schiff on the sunday show ises maybe more than any human in history. He has been saying there is ample evidence in the Public Record to establish that collusion occurred. He is also saying we now have a basis to disregard and wipe from the record the entire Mueller Investigation because its not necessary to prove collusion. These are the same people creaming from the screaming from 2 years saying we need to preserve this. Now they say it doesnt matter. Its an aboutface. I think your exchange with ben smith illustrated as well. I watched that with my jaw on the floor. You referred to buzz feed as a cat blog which is funny but they do produce legitimate journalism. Tucker i agree with that. And i respect ben smith and he demonstrated integrity coming on your show. Tucker i agree with that as well. What he is doing by jumping through hoop to rationalize that story which has been undermined is legitimate, they are taking away from the good works that some people within the buzz feed orbit are doing. They are being tarnished by association with this buzz feed story. Another example of why none of this adds up. Jason a coauthor of the story appeared on msnbc within hours of the story first breaking. It caused a meltdown with every tv anchor screaming bombshell like toddlers. Jason went on msnbc and said he had seen documents that that corroborated the story is saying Michael Cohen was told by trump to lie. People were freaking out and calling for impeachment proceedings to begin right away. Leibold gave the story potency. Tucker where are those documents . Do we know . Its a huge miffedry. Mystery. It went down the rabbit hole with the rest of the proof of the collusion. President trump when he calls the media fakes, he is overwrought and exaggerates, but buzz feed and others give President Trump ammunition to make those claims when they stick by a story that has been flatly contradicted. Tucker exactly. I forgot about the leibold document point. Always welcome on this show. Alexandria ocasiocortez would like to take over the American Economy in the name of the environment. Is she ready to make the big sacrifices that all of us must make herself . Thats the acid test. A look after the break. Just one free hearing test at his local miracle ear helped andrew hear more of the joy in her voice. Just one hearing test is all it took for him to hear more of her laugh. And less of the background noise around him. For helen, just one visit to her local miracleear is all it took to learn how she can share more moments with her daughter. Just one free hearing test could help you hear more. Laughter. Music. Life. 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