Very important for both countries and on todays program where delighted and honored to have a truly expert in this area. Dr William Stanton who was at one time that the director of the American Institute in taiwan is here with us and hes of course currently the director of the center for asia policy at the National Team. Our university. Bill will come to provo. Thank you. Its great to be here. Yes first of all i wanna come back to me for being a permanent resident of kabul. Thats my proudest achievement in time id fill you in the distance over a condition for the many contributions they have come to us how one wastes over the years its been an elk was like this said billion now the director of the center for asia policy the National Team on university. Telescope that of other note the center of what kind of research being conducted over. The ok well you know on the center was actually on the brainchild of the president charm of the National Team or university. Okay um i think he heard present lot about the time you is offering the permanent residence here okay make that comment me of that. Perhaps i should be teaching in Taiwan University we decided to take advantage of that. Actually no Tulane University in the United States have a history that goes back to nineteen oh nine except when she in law was established. And i think he saw an opportunity here is a certain symmetry because the university was first established with money the Chinese Government has given to the United States is an indemnity me for the boks were really aches and i think the U S Ambassador to time president john lloyds likes to remind me of the first and lovely and recommended to the Us Government that money be returned. So be used to set up on it and the university for education and so i think as i was in the back of his mind and when he saw that might be an opportunity. Thats how we got started. I sing from the beginning. President ial his vision and that of his Senior Vice President s was although the National Chain one university is very well known for Computers Engineering and Science Technology. This is an opportunity to branch out to the department of International Relations but also to enhance its reputation in his car to the humanities and social sciences movement and um from the beginning division was therefore not only to give to my university. Country singer has an advantage but also to give a stronger voice for taiwan through center. In expressing taiwan views about asia policy. A diary for the long answer no prob. That whole biggest institute now the home video that for example groups for a subdivision to have one that he sent it to me on that specializes in scenario two weeks. Well we know we currently have of three postdoctoral fellows that no one of whom is an expert on south east asia. Another is the greatest turned up on japan and of the third. It is more of a general list on International Relations but will probably of focus on our portfolio of trying to develop relations with india and i a single do a little bit of everything including of course the Cross Strait Relationship. Will everyone anyone is in taiwan has to be focused on that as well yes and well just add that this of course is the time of change in policies in teaching positions for many of the leading countries in the region including the United States. As us continues to heal fine sway in asia pacific where some of the opportunities you see but how one to be the presence of more active role in the regional issues where you dont already taiwan has a role in that sense in. Policy cedar has been rather limited its not undergo commensurate with sent me this great economic strength is its great achievements in technology and um. I sing in the past taiwan is perhaps when someone did inward looking. I only say that taiwanese people among the most self effacing people on earth they dont give themselves enough credit for their own importance in the usa not only economically but also as a model for economic and political development. I always describe taiwan is a miracle because in a matter of few decades has transformed itself from a military dictatorship to Democracy Movement and strong really an impoverished place into a prosperous nation. So i think Taiwan Services model for many developing countries around the world but i think also its experience of taiwan has learned a lot of lessons which i think youd be useful for other countries in the region taiwan is a leader in many areas that people dont think about for example its progress in fighting against trafficking in persons. Its one of i think only two countries in the region are ranked in the first year but the us its been a leader in nonproliferation its been um you know i think of certainly a very forward leaning in trying to develop trade relations with other Countries Movement and this is an area which im quite interested in as well. Ok all i suppose the center will also devote some attention on the Regional Economic future of schooling it is necessary on. I think is as prosperous as taiwan and sweden. I think to some extent a great deal of that prosperity is because of the relationship between the mainland which has been mutually beneficial um taiwan in fact is hoped the great deals from its technological know how its managerial experience in. And its investments which are huge in the mainland to hope. Tell the mainland progress is much easier. Thats what id like to see taiwan reaching out is traditionally done in its free trade agreements with singapore. While with new zealand this and develop more of similar trading relations with other countries region ultimately and certainly not to seek a line in the Trans Pacific partnership its ppp one couple more about that delayed the europa and the bill between the old soul in addition to being the director of center the old soul holds the universe is your chance our universities. You dont tell chair professor telescope is about that. Whoa thats thats quite interesting i mean it that comes my time in the end thats quite an honor because of course he was the longest serving foreign minister of the republic of china hits you is. Diplomat who signed the new top defence treaty the United States on this years ago. But the interesting symmetry not only in the establishment in line and relationship the United States has. Woods came over the years it has continued. But theres also a symmetry in the fact that up dr yell was reviewing its color of English Literature he went to m her stand out um apparently his poetry was well appreciated by the Great American poet robert frost after years of teaching literature which of course my doctor does anyone in return he became a diplomat. As i did after completing my phd there is no tears. And although i never achieved his heights is a foreign minister and also as the us accused the U S Representative to the United States and could become the U S Representative to taiwan in its stall and later when he retired from the diplomatic career he taught english in chiang mai university. Seoul the fact that when theres certain similarity symmetry in our career paths this and though although i wouldnt compare myself with him. Its engraved on it and he and i think oh. I think it fits her in his loneliness and we like it said that the recognition for many of the wonderful things that you come to the article lists. And also build one that you another question census and is fairly new. You know so we started the laundry europe. And of other people was a gaggle of taiwan has plenty of st Ames ResearchCenters Disease some of the policies were recommendations domain by the you know research community. Sometimes im not really fully appreciated by Government Agencies go by the corporate sector. And how the theory first let me ask you this first. Do you see dad is a problem in taiwan because we dont have the same kind of legal relationship between the government and the think tanks and can feel between corporate sector and the think tanks from liking the United States and to think this probably means how one and how would you think they kinda makes you feel coming years. That is the situation could be improving and if it doesnt prove how would you think that the euro at the center for asia policy which will play university. Cantu differently than the gifts was very interesting question i think over the years there are many sometimes for example in washington this fall weather and no more liberal side the Brookings Institution or a heritage foundation. On the other hand you up to the right. I think they do play a role in influencing the us congress crap sometimes people demonstration when i sing more and can be done and that reaction. As in one of the reasons is. Theres more of an integration of people at the policy makers and enjoying think tanks and people are paying taxes that go to work with the government. Perhaps that the fact that i have many excellent contacts dont have a lot of friends and the government will help us to make some inroads along those lines. Perhaps when we do have certain views we can convey them very direct and then hopefully helpful fashion constructive fashion his mother will be useful to the government and also to do more to reach out to the. Um i think to some extent many academic institutions around the world tend to be a little bit too inward looking and need to sing more in terms of what are the results my research how can they be shared with the at large. How can we tried to influence the to pay its tenants will be trying to do ok with tc did the likely changes photo taken place with the corporate sector. Oh i hope so. For only one reason we of course so will we know we welcomed owners. Bells helps in its own boat absolutely i think corporations financially viable world is in the overall success of time on it. The great corporations with the tips and cedar pointe high. Um where are you know there are many Great American corporations with america still the number one investor here in taiwan and recording display technologies micron and others along those lines. I think um there and very often they have things they like to see happen and we need to listen to what they have to say when but at the same time we perhaps can make suggestions about how divorce can be when cleaning her good night. We need to take the first break the local entity will be right back fan. Sells. Says the sea well come back to the second segment of todays program key on the town la look on the host. We will. What well continue our conversation with dr William Stanton who was of course a former director of the American Institute in taiwan and curly cat director of the center for asia policy at the National Team are universal. Bill. Talk about new years day nineteen as its director. You would hear from two thousand ninety two thousand paul. Over the three years. Of course. You see tremendous progress in u s highway relations. Would you mind sharing with us. Some of the highlights. Well when i first arrived here and along the agenda and i knew it was much time yes and i knew it probably be my last diplomatic assignment. Ive met with our entire staff of the eighteen which is a lot larger than people realize and then hundred and thirty or forty americans and at that time about three hundred and fifty telling his employees as well. Tyson and i emphasize to them. I saw everyday nation douse themselves in whatever capacity as for whether we had made progress sort of put some of these goals the primary goal i think was to get one into the Visa Waiver Program. And no food or many others and up. I think when i left i had a good sense of accomplishment your accomplishment was no my own along with those of all of our employees americans and enemies alike. He also great cooperation from the government of taiwan who were typically go well with the Foreign Ministry for mr young was great help i sing much credit for the Visa Waiver Program is his. I mean its all for the question when youre a diplomat. You spend as much time trying to venture on government to do the right thing and i as your counterpart spence trying to get his government to the right thing in the case of the Visa Waiver Program that was so much in the interest of both our countries. Yes we made great progress on that in whatever things i was proud to see one of the taiwan government will want to do is to purchase her arms. We have the two largest sales american arms in many single Us Administration met with almost thirteen billion dollars amato and to increase the number of high level visits for twenty some of the people. Mom i asked a visitor people id known before but the deputy secretary of energy and on the undersecretary of commerce and on for International Trade only came a couple of months after that it is the only assistant secretary for commerce. These are very important. Um beyond the arms i think overall or military cooperation increased in terms of up to that of visits to prove or the level of providing information and guidance to one another. I think i was very useful its own. There are many other areas with me and promises well when i arrived and we knew that laurie had a groundbreaking ceremony for the new anti facility which will be here in april. And yet the ground had been broken and i found out we had no permits to proceed. In a matter of six months with me at that time the help of a premier would i need this we managed to get all the permits and permissions we needed we broke ground by the time i left. We finished the first Phase Construction problems of the project. Smaller than what happened probably in the private world of private enterprise by pretty fast for a government building and probably still making progress. Um i think i did what i could as well to wont improve morale the commission s and the viewer numbers symbolic things we did nothing to hope as well. So um. Overall i was very pleased the trade relationship with bounded greatly in two thousand eleven for which our nation won an award for Us Government of we solved a lot of trade disputes including of course the famous beef to speed. And um. I think i was a great breakthrough only in the sense not that it was so important in itself and dollar value but that was such an obstacle to the rest trade relationship and i was so happy that about two weeks before and after a while as we were able to solve its um and every time its taken in our thinking. Of course one of my low points in my tenure with these were all high points the feeling of achievement success of doing things to strengthen the relationship which i believe is so important its because taiwan is not only a Great Success story for the taiwan people can drive these Great Success story in the sense that the United States. Um you know that i won prospered as much isnt it soon became a democracy the problem i had was over the beef issue when i foolishly made a comparison can be tween the number of people died from the u s beef number of people kind of motor scooters. It was very insensitive remark and everybodys the rightly took me to task for it. And though i regret that very much later apologize for. But um overall in three years i think that was the only major. Of major problem that i faced him. In general ive found the taiwan people everywhere it went so welcoming and warm. And of course i think that was a Great Success we are hopeful of outreach to travel all over taiwan and i went to matsui and went into the money they lend to those of the pool. Ill use of means. So overall it was a Great Success visited military facilities all over the island. And we had a number of successful exhibitions trying to emphasize historically home port in the us taiwan relationship has been. And i think all for all in all especially during the three year tenure that you have it the emt. A singled for all people and how long will remember this is the turning point in recent us colorful issues in the sense that i dont think washington any longer. Luke said come on as a trouble maker. L and d is so certain level of consistency and predictability in one the government you would do and thats really is healed beneficial to both sides ol skool to the region at large would you agree with that assertion. I absolutely think theres no question of why i was in washington before it came to know i can. Everybody likes the fact that we can have private conversations the name private anymore up there werent surprises me and their overall i think the states consistently welcomed. The improvement in Cross Strait Relations is as contributing to security and stability in the region. So uppity was probably a turning point and on the mind to go and view of washing