Though what is the state of the us china taiwan thailand relations today. On todays program were delighted to have a true expert in very good friend of mine the david hall who is currently an associate Research Fellow of the institute of european and american studies at the Academic Senate to to discuss this and many issues with us what comes across with a bit. I woke up to end of the light of this whirlwind start of todays program was something very broad and general was something bite of your alley its what is your assessment of the state of relations between us and china. This is possibly the single most important bilateral issues in the world today. Theres of course some positives and also some challenges that i wore some of the changes you want is a pain in this relationship in two thousand twenty one three pm the defining feature of the us and china relations has to do with the ending is so cool color transitions and everybody know that ten on rice in rice recipe and is an us bred in a rented the decline from andys defined structures of the big collar nation. I think. Yet when these kind of a context of you in on the china will become more and more says it is in us who would respond forcefully to reduce whitaker in the abbey balances transporting it in the Asia Pacific News i think the pieces are the kind of a structure its fall now we have to face a wee im fortunate in that phase in period. All the creative beginning of the polish conditions and i will have some some sort of a non get cocky up between china and United States for example coal is one of the some sort of security. Tonight my conclusion is why is this cute he will means the odyssey security and the lives of these have to kick him in the mine has to be managed. Probably in for jubilee of conflicts. I think the yet they are from china us perspective is that up they would like to welcome the store via the so called needle. Keane then the state is here to help us along the supply of town for chinese or chinese chinese would like to become the central old vhs or not but United States as the status quo scholar and then of course the us wont try on the best track record on his current status cannot create some kind of trouble i think the tonnage has been a consultant for teens a worthy cause. Due to a lot of misconceptions and tend to over come this fall from the tennis i also look for that amazing creations from the nsa you know that the new china. The Chinese People feel that im getting stronger and stronger by the return to International Status they would like to see that at present itself is a major power and that would make it ten out of foreign cars to listen to and from the United States point of view and receive the economic decline financial crisis and the measles shot which were always constrained bl us meet that threat which meant that there was some golf on its ally. And also from china where the u s meat that is judge henry v income and property deals let us also acts as some domestic pressures in coming years we have the ip connections to the United States can end up with also. Could the us of a new station on the straights confrontational side of the us and china relations. I think the soul the things must be a manager probably otherwise accidental country will be unlikely. And i can come knocking on the weekends i dont think that the major war between china and taiwan is going to fly because that given that the economic interdependence between these two a great policy and probably they would like to look to a managed the end of that difference is small. I stopped me in portable am a concrete floor and one of the trouble hearing has seen the past in us china relations has always intrigued. You know the kind of course enjoys such a huge trade surplus every year helpful maybe the last meal five to ten years at least the end of blog this year a lot of people are looking forward to a rebounding us economy which you think that its going to be less likely include poetry fiction and speaking to two sites. Well i think the us and the bonding of Economic Growth to be of good news for both china and United States courts of what a decent media is that we should be presented in a compact cassette the dvd and ten and joliet of the fee rebate is a chain saw across the United States and eu even if the us economys be the bomb. Forcefully us the only did they need to have some balance of a tree and the rest of the things that we create their works of fiction speak non fictions remember now we have a new American Ambassador to beijing and the closets kiwis of course an area. That was an advocate is for your treatments fail to meet and policies as im thinking that the common features of course becoming fictions became United States and in china will continue especially in urban india every other day and read the nations problems as well as the cause of july pr violations problem and you happen to you if you happen to think the quality and non non tariff trade and the shoes even tell them not us. And the price can nap this is into the Chinese Market now out of there in the slums of trade arrangement the steel not to treat the disease is all one of single most important issue that come from the u s enterprise two and two sales of products to china. Tom and i think that this is over also some salt in a study and practice minute and is most of the law of trouble for us. It company to into Chinese Market because you know of any and all thoughts of these hidden subsidies from the chinese the end prize to the side of things well will become the major issues of law. Well be fine if the carbon fourteen is that he may be in it and heres the hat and the us and in the antennas nominations and of the area as he mentions up on his cell regarding the possibility of misconception. No misunderstanding of what the size ten shoes are. And people he certainly will come over to problem areas. Being the current u s china relations. One is of course the territorial disputes helping not known the east china sea. Over the galley islands and also the other one being the South China Sea the ahl with the territory of course sovereign rights of the different field groups of islands in the area. So how would you think. Especially when you talk about the use of the sea peace be you know that this is a very thorny issue for us china also for u s japan and also china japan relations. How do you think that neil and copy dont know is going to be resulting in the year ahead. Bought the piano he will be to be an unfortunate to us to see that its increasing tension between east and South China Seas. I think the speakers and he would definitely yes and fighting flu or a frying pan a senior u s china relations. Tom. Of course that poultry trade friction with continual he is a member you know they have some sort of theory to argue that its not the impending interdependence well always and decrease a likable he had probably three four of the chip on it to go into a comfort. But theres another theory which you have to be a great postcard and patience because then they endure such itconomic interdependence and then when United States or japan or any other nation has since taken over china china will discount the kind of sickness in particular that kind of a threat to us of a soul sucking me and that while he and the United States japan and korea. The sauce is a shell would have to do to help us in the strongest signal them to china to play chess and get a message likewise the channel will always has to extend of a strong signal because it yes i will concede that the men that we have been such a posting in the nation i dont know what i believe thats kind of threat was credible so then when i have a strong signal that presided them enough will it be and that boasts the saudis meal. That and i have for you i say they have to use a strong signal to convince the other that they knew what they say is that he has created some kind of nice section in the sun isnt that will quickly as it played. The potential to comfort him. I think this is the problem that we have to be up to carefully manage current eu has positions quickly and it would not excite humans would not excite on so called something he spews out on these islands exhaustion as the least of these United States mint and insist that they have the medication fried and the high seas and soul. In this issue to my faith in the abcs but you know theres a subtle difference between the east tennessee and South China Seas management. The United States the point of view. In essence all waiting for china and japan known in japan most if not somewhat of a bilateral talks so that they can resolve the differences in all of the sky that these themes in the photo you would like them to set aside its kind of sovereignty peace peace peace that i can concentrate on more importantly she is too stiff or you know. Yet the deli items solar the top billing in between japan and korea as possible. I ts mom but really that important in this sense the net and in the major contacts of the empire through agents the songs tennessees maybe just in the United States to encourage that multilateral approach which are creating elegant and a quarter comebacks in the pasta. Seoul the beancurd to ask him to take the leaderships and the mississippi as the beijing is that the collision is imminent after like some bilateral talks cannot be seen yet at the few that countries made up of like vietnam oracle fifteen weeks with an aging so and so this is always differences. Thats why the basin complained the United States of. With any comedian in what they say they dont act side effect the epic insight concerning the ball beats me but instead dish is partially in response to chinas self witness of cookies every scene has been one of us of the rebalancing stranded us we got to check is to make sure that at our eyes. We will build more dams also i think. Theres always a tension here that when the tension increased in the area is horrible. Im horrible. Labels not undermine the us in just for the second presentation that would actually increase the appeal it would fit into the usb just something to the management issue will be the central iv she was forty nine states that the new station on to maintain the status quo in this region of course that we dont concede that no peas and pasta at the knees which spoke with when you complete the first break on the program today and will be back in just a few minutes the aye. Sells. Steve the welcome back to the second part of the scroll and key on the top one although on a host of the prequel will continue our conversation with up to date while i was currently an associate Research Fellow of the ec to european and american studies at the academics in the cup the wall in a couple that about one of the many areas of expertise which is costly relations between china and taiwan. What the school wall projection of the relations being the year two thousand twenty. But thinking given that this is to soften and eight and is a prison mine took a call for the cabal whole face and i think its a lot of improvement in the close relations. Still i think i will use cannabis the economic integration is like the cooperation will be like well likely to be in keeping it a try this and that and was seen then you might have been a review concluded and which will encourage the Chinese Capital to move into taiwan the station yet. Chinese capital has already up morning that i want continue to buy some of the yet. Sum it all High Tech Industries who they want to have a joint venture with hong kong companies. I think this trend will continue about the other hand that you you probably will not be anticipated that the end of the major Chinese Capital would be stopping in taiwan because they think that i was marking is the smaller is not that important for the chinese enterprise. The dream and they say you have to be very careful not to be a chinese enterprise known as a way to describe metal pole will pop up with major investment will come from the state and squeezed and christ and to follow the of a user opens and as always some people get behind its kind the investment thats why the so called assault and he finds all the Chinese State and wise up and moved to dubai in the coming of the libyans and then mocked me with insulin to go to the uk European Union to look to purchase any of the port facilities and the soul of things always have some us position escalation from china to the funk i was especially we have to be very helpful quality of Chinese Investment and one thats also why commentary of me and another picasso in the week the ministry of Economic Affairs set up some essentials for the chinese have held to welcome by Mandalay Beach while mobile phone in discussing these is quite sensible idea and that that also put some sort of contradictions for our current policy number and the mines policy is that we would like to utilize all market and the whole comic and the naughty streak of foreign Capital Investment in a widow and dissertations before she had a suspicion for nations come in just a cake walk in on the other hand that you have been very careful about yet the Chinese Capital to move in. I think its a lot of things than you think of it and check out media. Make a plea and that they are in the coming years they would like to engage the viewer the slavic legal negotiations between china and taiwan. That would enhance the so called common understanding of one time friend were new to me is that the so called nineteen ninety two consensus right now which already. The full fee on its mission is to a portable site to negotiate on the practical function that does not have that get on base in perspective they have baby would like to move a step further to the top of a pathetically shes pushing through the end of the mythical status the issues. This pm is a confidence building has issues. Maybe including a Peace Agreement issues and ten. But enough on our side i think the visits name of the shoes at then that the shooting phase right now because we still have a bond issue to negotiate for example nineties agreements concluded between china and taiwan still have alot alot of things need to be me flying into. Why dont we have bubbles. The streets and foundation in our house from them and they should continue to pour some decisions to examine resenting the yet the actual practice all the slicing of queens which means that with a lot of things need to improve. We should not go into the knock out critical negotiations to house the day when noah is always depends on the unknown column as much and ill force they have the advantage and that we have our own agenda and we need to make sure that our economic agenda and will be of use. Facilitate it quite a dance and sentiment and some salt of the top of the vehicle a and b que and she settled in though that the opiate legal battle. In fact most of the station has made it clear that no new supply agreements moments critical in achieving a summit of lovely invitation that has been in the coming years of course and the yen within the mosque of july to sn of the supplement is in the office that invasion and that would encourage patients to represent off into the icing that will be a step further this wonderful color yet. No migration across the nation and the state encouraging news. Ok then given the fact that you can look back on cross relations in two thousand to take the highlight of course was the signing of the Costly Service trade pact on to get your twenty first. But this is something of course the opal controversy in the chair in taiwan. He obviously is not the domestic consensus on the issue. But dont currently the governor will like to see you or to treat i feel gratified by the legislative yuan note in this current session. One day sure you want is what is the prospect of the idea surfaced repack be ratified by the l y you in first half of two thousand which is one thing to make their way to me as though maths. The stations like it or not. The citys agrees and locally to remain seated facing the aisle i can and perhaps they will be some late but i would be yet more optimistic. I can see that the topic given that it isnt a great majority of the canteen a pacemaker in a lot. And he said the supreme and wont mention the past that when i ended up having said that id personally i dont see many sunnis a queen and ace media. A good enough the demons before i walk and a lot of deficiencies what we we just know that ill be in some salt of the argument is that you will the chinese enterprise will be doted over taiwans this morning to attend this and that will let them each out in the retailer is selling shopkeepers. Let the sites i think theres some im thinking balance between these cities has been in here this be. Oddly the consent of the Bank Economist for something pm the agreement calls for their cities. Hes not allow for taiwan. Just another helpful in taiwan he said the Service Agreement and Taiwanese Enterprises set up some of the holocaust in Fujian Province people to my post for the citizens face again as the International Norms is in a very strange but we can understand it is beijing is the key conditions and tried to encourage the technicalities the investment no holidays where has the manpower to move into athlete and probably stupid and Fujian Province. I dont think thats t