Claims its merely protecting its citizens. Amid the parallels to russias two thousand a war with georgia some even comparing this croc nineteen sixty eight as putin once again donald trump the west. What response can we expect. Falling on a response whats the outlook for crimea for ukraine the rest of russias neighbors today in the falls and get to the puts and makes his move in with the cia to talk about it here on this awesome kit today. Our phones and gets Douglas Herbert has been reporting live from the Crimean Peninsula. He joins us from their record fall to exact a director of the Mccain Institute for International Leadership and former United States ambassador to nato and enjoyed our meal my mom senators senator here in paris for the ump party representing the french abroad. Also with us silverstein of bowling. You can read. Once a fortnight in the international york times are calm and adjourned dimitri minute London Bureau chief of the voice of russia were also pleased to join mr di marco. Deputy chair of the Russian Forum on International Affairs former member of the tomb of the false identity we can join the conversation on facebook and twitter hatch act s two for debate. Um. I want to begin with you. Does this hard because the situation has been evolving i guess you can see by the hour both in cheyenne stories and also in crimea weve had denials now on the part of Russian Forces that the launch any kind of ultimatum. Against the Ukrainian Forces stationed there. What are you hurt on your. Well exactly what youre saying purcell as for the ultimatum the ad the Russian Defense ministry and this is now according to Russian Media sources of calling it Utter Nonsense you know the year the regional talk of this ultimatum was i a Russian News Agency report. Interfax cited someone close to the Ukrainian Defense ministry. It was hearsay based on hearsay based on hearsay. You have to take everything very prudently in a story like this on a lot of the russian News Agencies in particular have the most to you you almost feel like you can use to tyneside as sounding boards to lead to float. Sometimes you know rumors and theories. Suppose the facts that turned out to be on refuted afterwards of what i can tell you is the situation the past couple of days here from where we are in the administrative capital of the crime yes in pro ball has been really extraordinary on and surreal at the same time. Um its not a classic coup detat in the sense of personal coup detat czar typically internal affairs states again states. This is its basically green men in camouflage uniforms who as i actually now have their own twitter has tagged the silent ones because the days we were really even allowed to want to call them russians even that was the big issue rate in town and just about everyone we spoke to would say of course the russians and theyd say youd speak to their supporters standing on the sidelines the pro russian elements made state not she id not she meaning they are ours they are one of us. So really the pretense is now all but dropped everyone except the fact that in some way shape or form. These greek and men in camouflage uniforms by bearing no identifying insignia toting masks that Wearing Masks toting a machine guns a surrounding the parameters of military installations throughout the crimea. These are in fact forces allied in some way shape or form with russia whether or not they want to officially acknowledge it or where any identifying insignia an extraordinary because its been. If you want me to call it a coup or news that were all using haitian descent into the silent invasion which is by creating facts on the ground ich is essentially what they have done facts on the ground day after day. You have a situation which almost de facto at this point. Russian is consolidated control of the police the military the interior ministry the Security Installations and now the big military installations in the last ones that couldnt possibly remained loyal to the new authorities in kiev said truly extraordinary turn of events and people covered wars of covered lots of today cause they say they havent quite seen anything like this you tube like you did to prague earlier. People talk about georgette a copy of about moldova. You go back to budapest and fifty six is nothing exactly comparable to what weve seen during crimea in the past forty eight to seventy forty to seventy two hours and nothing comparable dog because there hasnt been shot spot. Its absolutely not i cant stress enough the fact that we spend hours over the past two days at a couple of military bases wanted it to the tall man which is the military in infantry unit to read installation. And the other end of the king of pop to the side which is also sell the center of all thats more about the east where the soldiers are protecting against a Nuclear Chemical weapon attacks on and in both cases it is simply been on one side of the bed the perimeter fences youve had ukrainian troops standing there looking out often facing down staring down the side and i will call them russian commanders at this point on the other side the men in green camouflage uniform. Facing each other guests hands. Yes a direct confrontation traps for the more tense direct competition to be packed but no violence no shots fired in any way shape or form did the irony is the most aggressive people we saw on the potentially violent people we saw are the civilian the pro russian burial in the pro russian civilians who have tended to show up at the sites where ever the russian commandos have been with their machine guns in their masks and to standing in front of them setting up iraq is often appearing in the night being there they were there early this morning when we arrived the party probably a basin while we were going to lie for a report with france twenty four. They were very much chanting in the background before one am very aggressive with us. We had to take patiently tried to speak them down they see any western reporters as being specially european its peak of arctic air is theyre out to out basically id get them and and dance tell lies about rush hour and and and and basically speaking Justice System and truths about them see that we have been very calmly try to calm them down and these are the people who are the ones chanting slogans waving the flags and being very very late in many cases up all around the town all around super oakland ca department of local Regional Government buildings in front of the airport where the cds russian command to showing up they are there right along side them. Maureen jenny joined by sergei markov off a former member of the duma deputy chair of the Russian Forum on International Affairs. Um again when you hear the news is reporting what is the justification for taking over the Crimean Peninsula it seems as though there hasnt been off threats to the russian nationals into russian speaking nationals we can eat that too. And what you can check out what we want it to be pure alchemy so cute to make your on a moment here the whole. To boot market. But beyond that which you think a new job god will heal. Will she have to love to do that. Gore former georgia. She will get ya. A teacher. We went to the production peak tickets and also look at it. Here she is. Georgie. Well the abduction of a national chain. We had a chat. The two fight. National walk. No criminal code to caption it hes big and mature in crimea right now where is the danger to russian interests. That justifies this intervention of yet im sure i want want want to take a minute. It will show up the amt. I checked it will meet the teacher talks on the market. We have to block the block chevy a speech in which we couldnt continue that. On the beach. I didnt want. Im sure all and now we have. We got it. The pall of contention in the tool on to win milk wash with soap and whatnot but huge corruption initial children. He is living in strange to cuba were orange. The kids up to walk. New owner. Hes known i can go again i will be completed while will and wont be going to go. Not more than conflict. I want to get home to the gym. Usually he couldnt go the bomb. You toward the end. The trial court and get a lead level the mortgage due to open a tribute to my heel not to worry. How are we on that. It was like it. Woke up with a bow blouse. When mrs is happening in the Crimean Peninsula. To get it right people and gardening are going to want me one morning the trade in gardening. Its a nice event and preventive action is what you say ive been a norm that will be with all that keen on the guy we let it go. Warm. Want to go to richard. Young fools. What do i want to achieve in life so that i actually did he come. I dont think we got out what to do my traditional war. That is not. The market it was unfortunate because the quality of the phone line is for. But we we we we we hear your message loud and clear. I want a good reaction at this point from a kurt volker. A tricycle. Are you surprised as to the way events have unfolded in the last week in the Crimean Peninsula. Honestly as i am surprise. He has no reason why russia should have pushed it this far. There are plenty of ways to ensure that the transition in ukraine is peaceful that the interests of all the people of ukraine own citizens are respected and reflected in democratic elections which are even schedule and for russia to him concern. Military forces to buffalo no problems about the eighty eight deadline for attacking Ukrainian Forces no this didnt happen and im rather surprised russias actions. I also take on a few points that mr mark said i think are important to clarify. To be. Its origins in this course were peaceful protests which were attacked by the government. Psalm one hundred people were killed and then as the protesters fought back the president of ukrainian coach fled the country. The parliament in ukraine. Voted to remove him from office and put in place a government that was no longer going to attack its own people. And then they went ahead and scheduled elections in order to reestablish the clear legitimacy and rule of law under the constitution of ukraine. Saw this about threats to russian citizens or illegality or couldnt hans is nonsense. Theres something very different going on we choose ukraine trying to reassure its own democratic governments in its own future in russia intervening from outside the door to try to prevent that. And did you agree with me. Who wanted to succeed another former Us Ambassador to nato Nicholas Burns st is the most difficult International Prices of obama his presidency out of all time dangers is it for east west relations at this point could there be. How much of a flare up. Could it be though i think that is certainly a flare up as possible certainly a conflict inside ukraine as possible what makes this difficult is that it may be the first time that obama again shines away from any kind of military option. And instead pursue the negotiating a nap when its clear that gluten is already moving on military road. A tremendous setback for the people of ukraine and sent back for the direction of europe that has been moving in a peaceful democratic Market Economics secure direction ever since nineteen eighty nine. So it is tremendously important to another crisis and unimportant as well i think syria was tremendously important in enabling it was as well. What happens in afghanistan is still important but now this is one that is immediately on fire and requires a strong response. June came in on this monday the uk foreign secretary William Hague saying that this is the biggest test of europe has faced this century. It seems to help the situation because hes mine. Four quartets. Keeley of country people whats going to keep democracy to find two Games Collection and it puts the reaction we got from my shop. She is and will mean the kind that no one. One viewer saying the longer the west weeks to take action the more self confident and cocky rest will become up some pizza and simpler aspects system for calm and peace be with and the high tech guy seated on separate occasions when the same deal to supply minister to punch line means that we have to disguise the smoke shop. We hiked to duty and see any doubt we hiked into me and cranny. I could somehow understands the reaction of the shot of me meeting in Eastern European countries some time and he knows these people i know is that rome on the rise in but i know i sweat so treacherous that can be diminished will find it its mine. And i anymore which has been. And each one has to show its power struggle or easy on the wall and he wants to shul is that its only in school its people and does so to combine get it now. I mentioned in aviation full weeks in principle you look even movements in the eighteen cent of the machine people like you. I did this and thoughtful. Dr dean steward of the porcelain ccs is one of its own listen to us because when the new law besides the uk and triumphs with these european feel and sound the look on his home due to teach. Thus we should have picked on so many people are saved by having the strongest country to prevent the games more. I sat we feel i need to be students who are both both quickly before we go to the brits osteen gone. I mean i can say basically think that that i know there is no military option here in an unceasing and to seduce see that obama should be doing. More are in a pan and it cost her a military way is just foolish because since thats not the way this is going on now secondly as he fed them. He knows guess and in nineteen seven a lot of diplomatic mistakes of the last four months this week that the west is answered did not respond adequately and ukraines half that sum place in the bakery. That is disconnected and neglected because if recognizing that there is strategic in economic interests of russia which cannot be ignored and when when when im going to talk about the economic interest to me come back stay with us are watching the fall spent at today. Our the event a look if you just joining us for using the false and get to sample the stories will be flowing freely at the top of the door. Russian forces in crimea it tonight. The kind of ultimatum to the reunions there to some friends are this as moscow continues to consolidate its grip on crimea. Despite talk of reprisals both in washington where the senate and discussing sanctions and senior Foreign Ministers convened a summit on thursday to something incredibly wrong on both of whom on the russian stock market the opening down more than two hundred points. This is investors. Fear uncertainty the standoff. A chilling account of the victims cries for help hoping to be asked of the store is murder trial this month to start pleading not guilty to murdering his girlfriend. British sweep the oscars with Steve Mcqueen scored his seventh best picture and you can eat crab the second step welcome to just joining us this is the false name dead today when looking at the standoff over the Crimean Peninsula where russia continues to consolidate said. Its presence there with us of our course our calls and gets very own compass herbert has been reporting throughout the past few days from there also joining a skirt volcker former Us Ambassador to nato now with the Mccain Institute for International Leadership here in the studio to a guy whom i am senator from the conservative ump party. Here is in the upper house of the French Parliament and sos team poland. A journalist and columnist for the International New york times to meet with many of the London Bureau. Of voice of russia is also a witness thanks for being with us that dimitri. The media first of all your reaction to it this decree signed today by the Prime Minister and which eases ghana build the bridge before november between the russian mainland in the Crimean Peninsula it really has all the trimmings that said there is this consolidation the crimea for all the talk is going to be squarely under russias influence for good. Im not sure if thats really the course of events on the bridge deal was discussed and signed with the government of ukraine in december. Request here theres been talk about that for a long time. Of course it is in the address so far of the Russian Federation to provide for its three there were trees there under a two way agreement which is in force until twenty forty two was so full on way to go and of course russia needs to mean you know how to supply a lot and not going to director ukrainian territory so thats my response to this one. My head of the head of the eighties tuesday triptych and the us secretary of state. On sunday. Issuing a stern warning to moscow lets take a listen. It may be able to save crimea. But india and russia will isolate itself. Bill the cost to the dichotomy of russia cost of russian businesses cost the russian individuals because two russian businesses in and two russian individuals sanctions being discussed by the u s senate both of moscows main stock indexes feeling that cost on monday of the dollar denominated rts down thirteen percent. The other major index sliding eight point three percent in heavy trading while the ruble hitting a record low against