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A big weekend coming up on the big show lots of things to talk about today and let's start with. Dr bendingly who is a a Yale psychiatrist and she the editor of the book the dangerous case of Donald Trump might have her on the program with us Omega 6 or 7 weeks ago and it is a book. With the opinions of 27 psychiatrist psychologist and mental health professionals on the mental state of President Trump Well it was recently revealed that back guy in December that Dr Levy on December revealed under attack on December 28th I believe it is that the Dr Lee went to Congress to brief a dozen members of Congress Democrats as well as one Republican on the president's mental health and then last week along with Judith Herman at Harvard University and Robert j. Lifton at Columbia released a statement arguing that Trump is further unraveling our it's a let's talk about as well as talk about the president's mental state especially after the release of fire and fury people were asking about whether or not he is losing it so with me on the k.g. Alive line is Dr Van De Lay limits by the way to Dr Lee's coming to town she will be in Berkeley at St John's Presbyterian Church on College Avenue at 730 next Wednesday then on Thursday in court a midair at Book Passage at 7 o'clock Good to have you back on the program back to Late Edition thank you again for having me sure Ok let's let's start with with you or your congressional visit How did this happen were you invited to come in and speak or did you request to to brief members of Congress. Sorry let me clarify I'm speaking for myself and not for my university Ok. And regarding the congressional that after the conference I held out you know last April. A number of lawmakers got in touch with me I cannot reach out to them I'm an expert people to open keep either party those who need my expertise. So a number of lawmakers got in touch 15 clearing influential former Congress members who was going to arrange Eventually each I had testified he spared. All of Congress now this kept being delayed so and then ular investigations were on folding and we were quite piecer at that point a former assistant u.s. Attorney and former prosecutor. Became a little impatient and she pulled on her contacts to have us meet with those and so she gathered about 11 Democrats and another attorney gathered one. Republican and we did all those meetings over 2 days over 2 days Ok a couple of things you mentioned that they were going to have you. Got a lot of background noise there where are you. Oh sorry our producer actually asked me to stay here Ok I was at the connectives what about global God knows. About that you bitch didn't they want to have you testify testify we're number one in front of the in full of the from the full House and from the full Senate vote in front of the is the Civic Committee and testify specifically to what because you have not to my knowledge you have not personally interviewed or examined Donald Trump. That's right Joe I was supposed to testify before all of the Democratic Congress 1st both chambers and then all of Congress. Both chambers regarding the concerns we have had about the external signs of mental instability on the part of Mr Trump. The threat to public health that would impose Now none of this has to do with diagnosis we are not concerned with diagnosis we do not believe it can be done from afar and diagnosis actually has nothing to do with a dangerous. Dangerousness is a separate issue that you can assess without an evaluation because without a personal evaluation because most signs of dangerousness do not come from an in person interview. So given the information that we had we felt that we had enough to be concerned about the risk of danger concerned about dangerousness that has already happened and the ramifications of Mr Trump in his office of the presidency although as you say it does take a full evaluation to assess the entire picture for a short Ok I'm going to ask you we had our men and they have so on and that time I'd like to thank you to asses from you number one what you mean with your definition is of dangerousness and number 2 what information did you use to make this assessment did you simply go by by the reporter's tweets or things that he said so so the 1st part what do you mean when you say dangerous. So I actually we have a lot of information on Mr Trump about his reaction to situations in real time over extended time we have his. His speeches his speeches over time his writing. Reports by those who are hearing him we actually have a lot more information on him than we ordinarily do of our own patients and so we felt that we could make an assessment but 1st of all what signs you said. Well past there are 2 signs psychological and cognitive psychological signs include. The tendency the violence prone he has shown a tendency for violence has fallen predict future violence. Most of the time he has been dribbling aggressive boasted about sexual assaults he incited violence at its rally which he has endorsed by a lengthy chief public speech in which he has continuously taunted the nation with nuclear power these are the kinds of signs of violence and danger from that file Ok I've got I've got I've got to stop Dr Lee can you do one more segment with this and if you then it's Ok great so I read a couple of questions I want to come of a further into to what you think the danger is what you think the remedy is would be an occasional live line it is Dr Ben de Levy who was an assistant professor in forensic psychiatry at Yale School of Medicine and again she speaks for herself not for for the for Yale of the Yale School School of Medicine Her book is The dangers case of Donald Trump you have 27 psychiatrist psychologist mental health professionals who. 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Dr bandy D'Antoni is a psychiatrist with the. School of Medicine as he is also the one of the authors of the book the dangerous case of Donald Trump and you can meet Van de Lee in person at St John's Presbyterian Church in Berkeley at 730 on Wednesday January 17th and on Thursday at Book Passage in court and dare I was to be speaking and in signing books we're talking about the briefing that she gave to some members of Congress in December on the president's mental state and you were talking about how without You're not making a diagnosis but rather an assessment based upon information about his behavior that's extensive in that that's publicly available Ok So define what you mean now by by dangerous and endo what your concern is that you're quoted as saying he's further unraveling. Yes so dangerous that. It's possible to evaluate from afar that is still a risk of danger but we know already that there has been danger in the past increased violence rates in a number of different domains but we are concerned about future violence as well if that's really what technology be. The weapons that are entrusted to. The one are says that he holds. Within 5 minutes of a decision or whatever reason behind it he can launch weapons that would be capable of destroying the world. So when someone in. That level. Of power than their mentor acuity becomes extremely critical and we have seen signs. Psychological characteristics that make him more. Violence to risk. That. He has shown. A paranoid reaction scripts. Lack of empathy toward others. Not readily thinking of consequences and a constant constant need to burnish a sense of power and all these characteristics make. A precarious start with. Increased stress the stress of the presidency we can expect to find signs. A new surely occur in terms. Of further loosening of a grip on reality. Impulsivity difficulty controlling one let me. Ask you this question Dr a lot of the things that you described about his behavior there are people who will say. How you can tell the difference if people who say that. And that's what it is that he has done his entire public career is to to do things in order to make a reaction that there's no such thing as bad press but that people are still going to pay attention to what it is he does so the more outlandish you are the better report this afternoon that he's thrilled by the controversy over the comment he made about Haiti in the African Nations yesterday with the vulgar. Already that he's thrilled but this was something that was calculated so so how do you know that it's not just you know showmanship in bravado as opposed to some kind of a mental illness. Right so how you tell healthy choices apart from. Pathology as you look at the patterns is he able to be flexible or is he able to if you're really getting benefit out of those those reactions and if he is if he has a strategy what are the what are the signs of the strategy and and one characteristic of. Pathology is that it becomes more rigid with stress and more predictable and usually the individual cannot t.v. From that. Oftentimes very it's very easy to mistake the drive that comes from past all e.g. As a strategy or. A brilliant tactic because they're they're they're very driven and they're effective at getting where they wish to seemingly wish to go. But but you can tell. Disorder apart from health from the fact that well disease versus health is actually very clear cut in these leads to damage destruction and death right whereas health leads to flourishing in life and so we are trained to distinguish these 2. Mental health professionals and health professionals are the ones who will be able to tell apart better than most or at least. Tendencies before there is a full evaluation to see signs pathology rather than signs of health I mean. I didn't ask you this before we run out of time. Over the course of the last 24 hours since the comments. Were reported that he made in the immigration meeting about African nations and about Haiti El Salvador there's been much discussion about racism. And it's come up before after Charlottesville and other things about whether or not this president holds racial animus towards others and there are people who knowingly swear up and down that he doesn't but his words to a lot of people that I am African-American seem to say something else so I want to ask you whether or not there is anything well 1st of all of that that there are arguments or debates whether or not racism in and of itself is a psychological disorder or do you have any thoughts or information on that no I wouldn't say it's a psychological disorder it is an ideological fad but it is a dance that comes out of anger. And. And usually it's an emotional reaction that overwhelmed. Ability to rationally think things through and rationally we know for a fact. Thank you fix act but there really is no such thing as different races it is simply an appearance and so to bait that. Ensuring that you're making it's really in motion based rather than needs and reality based. There's no pathology you know when you have people who just get you know they have such a visceral hatred for other people who are different that's there's no pets no pathology there from from a psychiatric perspective. Oh well it's not quite it's it doesn't mean that the person has a diagnosable mental illness and is usually not a sign of that it's usually just another thing to include in culture and including deprivation but it's not a healthy sign certainly And well we have to look at Mr Trump's reactions and the context of the whole picture where when he becomes stressed when he becomes . 'd when his coping skills do not work so well she often reads leave George to belligerence and violent a lot go down to an attack yes he goes into an attack mode and these are the things that we can expect from him from his patterns of reaction and that is why it's so concerning because he has shown signs of being stressed and his coping mechanism giving way and he will the most likely mode he will turn to is to become violent and this is this is where it becomes very concerning because he will not likely be able to think about the effects that his words or actions will have on others or the consequences that. This rhetoric will have on others. But he will be preoccupied with his inner needs to again burnish his powers blue through attacks Well that's so people when they can come and they can hear him the book is The Dangerous case of Donald Trump and you can see Dr Panchali in Berkeley on Wednesday next 117730 think John's Presbyterian Church on College Avenue and on Thursday the 18th in court today or at 7 o'clock at Book Passage just last question quickly are you are there any. Plans for you to meet with other members of Congress. Yes but it looks like a testimony before all of Congress will not be very useful. Republicans have been very reluctant to show any concern or act on their concern although there is evidence that they are concerned and therefore they have charge me and my colleagues kill it continue what we're doing going out to the public and educating and w