Now, weve talked a lot tonight, you heard a few people mention that there are approximately 26,000 potential votes that are out there. I want to give you an example of how messy this is because this election has gotten so close. All of those votes arent in the bank. Were talking about military and overseas ballots as well as provisional ballots, but the big chunk of that are military and overseas ballots. I will use an example here, if you can follow along with me just to show you how mushy all of this is. Gwinnett county, they were reporting thats the county north of here, north of fulton, they were reporting about 2,000 military and overseas ballots that were out that could be coming in that could be counted. I just spoke or connected with officials in Gwinnett County that tell me of that 2,000 pool, only 1,000 of them came in and only three of them came in late before the deadline today. So part of what is difficult here is that the race is so close and the numbers are squishy. Because the race is close, it is going to be hard for anyone to make a call here. The secretary of state is hoping to have more sort of final numbers, as he is calling them, tomorrow. George. And were almost certainly heading to oo recount no matter what. I want to bring in dan abrams. Dan abrams, who has the lead going into the recount matters. Election results are rarely overturned on recounts. Right. You got to remember, this is sort of the intersection of politics meets the law. Theyre not just legal questions, because the political questions are critical. The numbers are enormously important. The problem that the trump team has right now is that there are basically four states that theyre potentially going to be litigating in, and that means four potentially very different arguments. Because this is a political argument, you want to have a cohesive strategy. You want to have a message. You want to be able to say, were just saying, count the votes or were just saying that the election is over or whatever the message is. The problem is when youve got the four different places with four different rules on recounts and four different issues, and one state where the Supreme Court has weighed in, et cetera, theyre in a very difficult spot. I think this is why the legal team is having such a tough time here, is you can say voter fraud. Theyre not putting up any evidence of voter fraud. If you are going to make other legal arguments, you got to figure out what the consistent theme is. Thats the challenge. Okay. Pierre thomas, do you have any sense, any greater sense of what role the Justice Department will play in this, if any . George, so far the attorney general has not said one word about this election. Now, the guidance we have is that if there are individual allegations of fraud that they need to investigate, the Justice Department, the fbi would look into those things. But were not getting any sense that theres an army of doj attorneys about to descend across the country to look at this issue. Okay. Pierre, thanks. Terry moran, you wanted to weigh in on this . Just the first volumely from the Trump Legal Team was scatter shot, it was we saw somebody do something somewhere. They are moving to what makes better sense it seems to me, which are category of votes that theyre going to try to get out. One, these latearriving battle in pennsylvania which theyre very concerned about. Another, the Signature Software thats being used, signature verifying software being used in clark county, nevada, and not elsewhere. Thats one they filed some legal papers on. So theyre now looking at what theyre going to have to do if they are behind. But then that becomes as much a math problem as a legal problem. Yes. There has to be enough of those votes. But, look, it is better than saying, somebody gave me a postit note with somebody nefarious on it. Theyre looking at because theyre going to need lots of votes, not one or two and not some wild allegation of corruption. They need to move votes out of joe bidens tally so that they can win the state. Terry moran, thanks very much. We have to take another quick break. Well be right back. Youre not welcome here get out of my face hpv can cause certain cancers when your child grows up. Get in its way. Hpv can affect males and females. And theres no way to predict who will or wont clear the virus. But you can help protect your child by taking a first step. The cdc recommends hpv vaccination at age 11 or 12 to help protect against certain cancers. Hey cancer not. My. Child. Dont wait. Talk to your childs doctor about hpv vaccination today. 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Congratulations, joe biden won your state. Are you confident he will win the white house . It is looking it is looking very good. I want to congratulate him for the campaign that he ran. And you gave him an awful lot of help. You endorsed him right away. You promised to work. You said the most important priority for all democrats had to be to remove donald trump from the white house. What do you make of the results as were seeing across the country right now, a nation still deeply divided . Donald trump still getting the second most votes of any candidate in american history. Republicans appearing at least for now, depending on what happens in georgia, to hold control of the senate. Well, george, to me this election was about many, many things, but the most significant thing was about whether or not we end the pathological lying in the white house and we end the danger of losing our democracy and the rule of law in our country. Thank god it appears that were going to end that danger. But right now in front of us is an enormous amount of work that must be done. Anyone who is sitting home tonight saying, oh, my goodness, wonderful, joe biden won, our job is just beginning. Youve got mass unemployment. You have starvation wages in this country. You have systemic racism. Were the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all people. We are terribly worried about the existential threat of Climate Change. Our infrastructure is crumbling. What Congress Must do with p. President biden is move aggressively and rapidly on an agenda thats stands for working people and for low income people, and make that as bold as it possibly can be. Well, that gets it is a lot of pain a lot of pain in this country that has to be addressed. I guess it all comes down to possibly can be. You have fewer democrats in the house right now. As i said, we dont know the outcome in the senate but disgoing to close. You said you expect joe biden to be the most progressive president since fdr. Is that still possible . Absolutely it is. Look, the American People the American People understand that we have enormous and profound crises. Does anybody out there think 7. 25 an hour is the kind of federal minimum wage we have . Does anyone out there think we should be the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all people . Not to guarantee family and medical leave . Not to deal with the existential threat of Climate Change . Not to create millions of jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure . I know i am attacked every day, far left, far left. But every idea we are fighting for are ideas that are supported by the vast majority of the American People. Democrats, independents, republicans. People understand that we have got to finally have a government working for all, not just the top. How much of that can joe biden do without congress . Well, obviously as donald trump has shown us, the power of a pen on executive orders is very significant. I hope he utilizes that. But i do believe you know, we talk about bringing a very divided nation together, and theres no question. In a very painful way, sad way, our country is divided. One way, it is not going to solve all of our problems, not going to solve systemic racism, but one of the ways that we can bring people together is around an agenda that works for farmers in iowa as well as low income people in new york city. There is a commonality of interests that we have. All of us need health care. All of us need decent wages. All of us want our kids to be able to get a college education. For too long in my view the Democratic Party has not been as aggressive as it should be in addressing the needs of the working class of this country, and that is why trump has done so well with those people. It is time for us to expose trump as a fraud and to address the real needs of working families in this country. When those people stand up and say, you know what . Yeah, i want my kid to be able to get to college. Yeah, i want my mother to have Decent Health care and to be able to afford prescription drugs. Yeah, im a farmer and i know what Climate Change is doing to my farm in this country. When we address the real needs of the people of this country, they will come around. They will demand that congress act. Bottom line, are you more exhilarated or relieved tonight . I am very relieved. To be honest with you, i havent been sleeping so well lately. I was very worried about four more years of trump. It appears that that is not going to be the case, so i feel exhilarated. I feel relieved, but i know how much work we have to do. A, to win the two seats in georgia to give democrats control over the senate and, b, to move forward an agenda that finally speaks to the needs of working families and not just the very wealthy. Senator sanders, thanks for your time tonight. Thank you. I want to go to heidi heitcamp. You searched with bernie sandeis in the senate. You come dfrom a different wing. What is your sense of what you heard . You look at the recovery from covid and you think about, you know, the president says, look, were coming back, were coming back. The bottom quartile is not coming back, the service workers, the gig workers driving ubers or whatever it is. Bernie has always spoken so eloquently about the needs of eliminating this huge wealth disparity, income inequality. That is where there is commonality in the Democratic Party. Maybe we have different ideas on how we get there, but our goals are shared, and we believe, as he said, that those goals are shared by so many people in this country and really can be the uniting factor. So, you know, you may say, oh, bernie, hes as far away from you and joe manchin as he can get, but it is right on these issues where bernie j, joe and stand together. Matthew, you worked for george w. Bush. I guess you are more of an independent now. Can joe biden find Common Ground in the country, in the congress on some of those issues . Absolutely he can find Common Ground and he absolutely needs to do that. I mean i think one of the things weve seen over the last two cycles is theres a number of voters when you separate them from their partisan leanings, they vote for higher they vote for higher minimum wage. They vote for expanded medicare, red and blue places. There is a place for this. The problem for joe biden is even if he gets 50 votes lets say he wins and he gets 50 votes in the senate by winning both seats in the long shot, to win both seats in georgia, it is 50 50. At 50 50, he has two senators from arizona who need to watch independents. He will have two senators from georgia who need to watch for independents. He has joe manchin who is in a red west virginia. It is not like the idea they get 50 50 and Vice President harris, if she does become, can break the tie and all will be fine. He has to appeal not only to some republicans, he has to appeal to five or six members of the Democratic Caucus who are in purple states or lean republican states who dont want to get too far over their skis. One thing i will say about independents in this race, when you look at the exit polls, george, each candidate did better among their party than the last than the last race. So donald trump and joe biden got 94 of their partys vote, each of them did. Donald trump actually expanded his vote among republicans. The republicans didnt leave donald trump. They coalesced around donald trump, and who decided this election . In state after state after state, if joe biden wins, was that share of independents that is 10 or 12 or 15 , they broke away from donald trump and towards joe biden. And in the senate races in all of the places that the democrats won the senate races and key races, it was the independents that broke and gave him the victory. One of the key questions Going Forward is will those independents stay politically engaged. Matt dowd, thanks very much. We have to take another quick break. Weve made a lot of breakfasts. And along the way, we noticed something was missing. A warm cinnamon roll for breakfast, or with breakfast. A fluffy blueberry muffin, from the drive thru youre already driving through. A glazed apple fritter, which might find its way into your coffee. These are options every breakfasthaver should have, and now. They do. Meet the new bakery sweets at mcdonalds ba da ba ba ba what oh, ooh oh yeah holidits christmas oh, ooh oh yeah Christmas Glade limited Edition Holiday collection sc Johnson Ocean spray works with nature every day to keep you healthy welcome back to our election coverage. Still waiting for the key states to be projected, and as we are doing that we were talking about, linsey davis, i want to bring you in on this. We were just talking about how joe biden might find Common Ground among democrats, with independents, with republicans. Most important perhaps on the key issue of the country is dealing with the covid crisis. Right. It is not just we talk about the division of the country, but theres Division Within the states. Two points i want to make quickly. Ohio, for example, we found voters there are split nearly 50 50. 49 said it was more important to rebuild the to actually contain the virus than it was to rebuild the economy. 46 there said that the priority should be the economy. Then, interesting report out of the ap, where they found that the counties that had the biggest surge of coronavirus voted overwhelmingly for President Trump. 376 counties with the highest number of new cases per capita, 93 of those counties went for trump. So how do you strike the right balance . I think thats got to be top of the agenda for the next that is the key question. Of course, they go together, david. The economy cant grow if the crisis is not controlled. And thats the argument joe biden has tried to make. You know, there was one question where i asked, would you endorse a lockdown if science said so, and he said yes in that interview. Then that was used by the trump campaign, saying joe biden will inevitably bring another lockdown. He had to clarify that we would do regional lockdowns only if necessary and only if the science dictated. I think it is interesting linsey brought up ohio because one route that joe biden, it is determined he is the president elect, if it goes that way, he has said he will immediately call governors and mayors across the country, first of all, to find out what they need and, second of all, to build an alliance with them. One governor in particular is the popular governor of ohio, mike dewine, a republican who gets high marks in his state. He said in the last 24 hours, you know, covid is coming after all of us, and it, quite frankly, doesnt matter if you voted for donald trump or joe biden. You know, all of us are going to get hit with this. A couple of numbers out of ohio alone. Not only are they seeing a rise in cases as the country is, but hospitalizations. This is what we heard today from so many Health Authorities across the country. We heard it on gma this morning, saying hospitalizations will come next. It is coming behind the record numbers since the pandemic began that were just seeing this week. In ohio alone, hospitalizations up 55 in two weeks. 541 were in icu beds, a record for ohio since this began. Thank you, david. David. Martha rat itd itch, you spa lot of time traveling the country. The majority of americans said, yeah, i will wear a mask, but there are deep, regional differences beneath the unity. There are. Im glad you brought up ohio, because when i pulled in to ohio in september as we did our crosscount crosscountry trip, thats the state i was stunned by. There were people wearing masks, especially in the big cities, but they crowded. They were going on with their lives. They were just sick of the whole idea of covid. I mean they were sort of playing off what President Trump has said, covid, covid, covid, too much about that. So there were people adhering to that, but there was an absolute blue red divide as well. I mean you go into a redder state or more rural areas, theyre definitely not wearing masks. You brought up governor dewine, david. One of the things over the past months with governor dewine and those polling and you could hear it in his comments over these months. First, will we do a mask mandate . No, we wont do that. Then because he got too much push back and then he decides theyll wea