Hello hello welcome to the home where show this is the cigar and it's such a joy to be here with our you thank you so much for joining me I want to make a quick announcement as if you love listening to these shows on the radio you can also watch my show on Gaia t.v. I have a new brand new season that launched season 8 we're excited about that Evan Alexander is at the right now and some incredible gastro to spend interviewed incredible people if you go to inspirations on Guy dot com That's inspirations on Gaia which is g a i dot com You'll be able to see everything right there and while this Today's topic is one of the ones that I think is so necessary for today's day and age when we have accelerated pace we have shocking news in the media we have financial crisis religious crisis so many different things that are happening on such a rapid rapid pace that we can barely catch up with the processing that we need to do if it's affecting us personally or even if it's not affecting us personally it still has an impact on our lives and that is suffering. Are we or are you in any way suffering in your life when it comes to money or self-esteem or relationships and if I told you there was a way to put an end to suffering would you be interested Brant Michael Phillips from Mit is joining me today he has been on my radio show so many different times talking about about awakening and about the dynamic of awakening which is the name of his website awakening dynamics but it's also much much more than that Brant has combined his deep knowledge of technology with his deep knowledge of transformation welcome Hi I'm excited to be here this is great I know live in person awesome this is fantastic thank you so much you have always been such a huge contributor to the station with all of the programs that you've offered our listeners and people have been listening to for probably a decade here on it's been almost 15 years since they came on the 1st thing where my show right yeah. Well you know this is a program that you've put a lot of work into and it's kind of a combination of all of your work let's talk a little bit 1st of all about what the end of suffering means and then we'll reverse engineer how you start are absolutely So the 1st thing I want to offer to all the listeners is we want to make an important distinction between pain and suffering. That's one of the 1st thing to me to a lot of people they think they're the same thing and that's one of the reasons we're stuck and suffering in the Buddha once told us that pain is inevitable but suffering is optional. And so that's really sort of our foundation that there will be things and that happened in life that cause pain right sometimes physical pain emotional pain the pain of grief stress. From issues with our family from our relationship to money from what's happening with the climate in politics in the economy and on and on right yes and so we want to recognize that to most of us in the modern world we don't know the difference between pain and suffering right but what we do know is that we want to end the things that pain or get rid of that then we find a way to remove the pain and for example for many of us if you're say having a lot of stress because of your relationship with money most of us don't look past thinking the only solution here is to get money right right we think that that will make the pain go away yes or if we have pain in our body we think well we have to find some way to treat this and to get rid of it. So we want to recognize there's a distinction that pain is simply a sensation within the body Ok or within the mind and suffering is the work of the subconscious giving meaning to the pain over and over over and over and over and so what happens is pain is usually transitory but suffering can last for a whole lifetime. So pain can be temporary yes pain is often temporary but if we don't know how to be improper spiritual relationship to the pain it can become permanent . And there is a different path forward force what if you take something that's painful like a lack of finances and you keep that pain sustained so that becomes suffering at some point it does change pain that's exactly right and that fact is that most of us have not been trained very well to approach our lives right and we just loop the loop and that's right and we think oh the only way to to move forward is to somehow get rid of the pain and there's such an interesting dichotomy here of being aware of your pain and being aware of the things that you're not in denial but then how do you take that awareness and the lack of denial that awareness into something that's temporary so you don't go into the suffering it's not it's not obvious to it to us however it's actually very simple once you've been shown how Ok and that's what I'm here to talk about is how can we move past suffering in our lives so why suffering why is this a topic for you that such a hot topic it's such a hot topic because I see that so much of the bad things happening in the world today are people lashing out because they are suffering through their lashing out at others that there was a seems to be a belief held by most people in the world that the best way to remedy their own suffering is to go hurt somebody else. And that doesn't work that just creates a cycle a cycle of never ending pain never ending suffering and what I want to show people is there's an easy way to get off the treadmill but at that it's still happening like abuse like emotional abuse Well then we want to make sure we treat both the pain and the suffering but we have to see them as distinct you know so that we can actually get out of that cyclical That's right and I'm sure a lot of the listeners are familiar with the law of attraction and a lot of attraction will tell us that whatever we give energy and focus to on our lives gets bigger. And that's understandable right yeah and so if we're constantly fighting our pain constantly trying to get rid of it we're actually feeling it yeah we're making it worse. That's true on a daily basis don't you're you've been here before talking about getting rid of the meaning beliefs and you've heard people's limiting beliefs for so long and you did extensive audio. Versions of getting rid of limiting beliefs through you know different civility ality healing can you explain that a little bit for sure and so my background is actually in software engineering those were heard me before you know that I was one of the rising stars at mit in the eighty's and ninety's and I actually helped along with others in the laboratory for computer science at mit to create what is the modern web the modern Internet. And I figured well heck I'll just move to California start an Internet company and sell it for millions of dollars and get rich. Well that plan didn't go very well we got off to a great start I did the 1st web site for Disneyland back in the ninety's I did the 1st web site for Nissan Motors Wow I did the 1st web site for the launch of the Sony Play Station in the ninety's so I was doing some really cool stuff but I was working 100 hours a week and I ended up with terrible terrible pain they told me I had severe repetitive stress injury as an tendonitis and bursitis and fasciitis and on and on that 100 hours a week yeah I also didn't learn until years later I had contracted Lyme disease when I was in New England I had it for 16 years and I was also suffering from chemical poisoning from aspartame which is nutrasweet So you put all that together you have quite a talks it grew Wow And so I spent years and years and treatments and nothing works for me when I was 27 years old the doctors put me on permanent disability and sent me home to die did you ever get into pain medicine and I did it yeah and what I found was you'll feel a little better for a short while but then you'll be right back to where you were and now you're addicted to pain medicine is a good thing you didn't go down that road Yeah so that's that's a one way door as they call it yeah and I spent several years exploring alternative treatments my life was really went through as they call it the Dark Night of the soul in 1988 where within about a month in 1908 in the About a month my lifelong best friend betrayed me and fired me from my job at this company I'd found it sold it for millions of dollars behind my back. I found out doctors gave up on me put me on disability told me I could never recover never work again and he had also been secretly dating the woman I was in love with wow that's good that's I'm suffering yeah it was a lot of stuff I didn't know it was a way yes and most people don't recover from something like that most don't tell them how many decades did you tell that story over and over it was a lot of years yeah a lot of years and in fact my worker's compensation attorney said he had never seen anybody and it were close to my level of disability make a comeback that most people it's a one way door you go through and the door shuts and your life is over Yeah but I spent years in alternative treatments acupuncture and yoga Polani Zen Reiki healing and diets and cleanses and all that stuff and in helping either Wow And it wasn't until I met this woman named Terry. Who did this crazy new age healing thing and involving subconscious blocks and that's how you got it and that's how I got into it I had had a surgery that left my right arm paralyzed and so when I 1st went to go see Terri I couldn't move my arm at all and most or a short in about an hour she showed me how to do some conscious block clearing and she asked me a lot of questions about God and what had happened with my friend and my parents and so on and she did this blocking thing on me and I'm like you know Ok lady that seems kind of crazy but whatever right and at the end of our hour my elbow just went pop and I couldn't move it again it was truly Americal so that pain combined with suffering is gets lodged in the cells it does it literally and it can actually take over. And that's what happened to your arm yes that for a lot of us are the pain that we go through it creates so much suffering it's like an organism that lives in your body and it takes over and this is why people become as they call it professional victims and they don't even know it I mean I'm just thinking of so many people in my mind right now with their work in this and chronic that and yes it there's because you're in so much pain and so stuck you can't possibly think that in some way you're creating all that is the last thing you want to try ever think and what one of the most powerful teachings have come across so share with everybody right now when you are at the effect of a story of a belief of a myth it will be invisible to invisible so you want to see a tree I don't know you'll just think you're being reasonable and rational and clever a great example would be anyone that's ever been close to an alcoholic what do most of them say when you tell them they have a drinking problem they don't know I don't have a problem I can stop anytime I want right just a that's what we tend to do with all of these stories that are taking over and running our lives this can even be drama like an addiction to crises and drama absolutely dreadful and yes a lot of people create crisis after crisis they don't realize it but they're addicted to the drama they love the adrenaline rush of having an emergency of having a problem. All right so I'm thinking about people that say there's no way I have this chronic hip injury and it is hereditary and it was from an accident like there's no way that they could have possibly have an emotional issue lodged in the cells a story lodged in the cells what would you tell them Well I would say that it's understandable why we think that because that's what we're taught it just happens to be wrong. I mean for hundreds maybe thousands of years people believe the earth was flat that maybe instead of wrong maybe you could say different you know incomplete looking and incomplete perspective. So for thousands of years most people believe the earth was flat Yeah and it was just accepted and it wasn't until someone went in prove that look you can sail around it that we've changed our opinion of this and so all given as an example my experience with Lyme disease. Every disease every injury has certain beliefs that go with it one of the belief that goes with Lyme disease is that nothing works for me you know and so the way we think it works is like this that Ok I went on a camping trip I got bit by a tick and I took on this energy that nothing works for me right that's actually backwards the way it really works is this you had the energy 1st I was running the energy of nothing works for me that attracted that tick to bite me and create the condition of Lyme disease so the energy comes 1st because guess what 4 of my friends were on that same camping trip with me and didn't get that none of them got bit none of them got sick I did why was it me well I was already running the energy 1st and so that's what happens with these things and there are of course things you may have been born with well that's that was a genetic thing your ancestors who held the energy and passed it on to you and so the energy always comes 1st so let's look at this then suffering peace if you do you really start to look at your life and see what's not working and try to find the stories like a detective that's one way to do it and that will be effective but it will take some time and it's possible to deal with that way that is a longer road a little slower road. And instead I want to offer everybody a short cut Ok which is pretty profound. If you look at almost any self-improvement material Law of Attraction energy healing mind power you name it they'll often say things like you are a powerful being and you can learn to change your life and you can learn to control your destiny and those are great teachings they're all true but no one stops to ask Ok what is this you. What is this you what is the you that is a powerful being what is the you can create a different life what is the you that has this ability to make these changes. And that's that's a lot of what I want to offer to people is we have the wrong idea of what we are it is quite incomplete in and but almost nobody stops to ask that question now and so if we if we look at it from a perspective of the spiritual terms most of us think we are some kind of separate being we think we're a human being a man or a woman maybe we had an affair with our job right I mean engineer I'm a doctor I'm a radio show host right maybe you identify with being a mother or a father or a sister well those are all identifications with ego and the trouble is when we think we're the eco it creates nothing but suffering it's almost endless because it's just one thing that's right because we're dimensional beings that the truth is we are far greater then a human or even a soul we are something beyond all of that but when you think you're something that you're not. That will create a lot of problems won't it so when we think our we are our story that's right it's just like thinking we are one thing that's exactly right and we're far beyond that and so when we think we're this story whether it's been your story of struggling with money or with pain or with illness or with addiction or with family whatever it may be all that or all of that right. We're like on a treadmill running faster and faster yes we're trying to make incremental improvements in the experience of the ego I want to make a little more money I want to lose a little more weight I want to live a little bit longer and I want to have a little more fun and so again there's nothing wrong with that but that's a difficult road what I want to do is just smash through all of that and realize that what we are is very different than any of those things. Let's use bank accounts as a simple example. Most of us have a bank account and we're out there working doing things in the world to try to get more money into it right and so what if you found out that that wasn't actually your bank account. When you would somebody else's it's somebody else's Ok what if your bank account had millions of dollars in it Ok but you lived your whole life and died without ever realizing it wasn't your bank account. That would create enormous suffering wouldn't. And so that's what's going on today in our world is we get very identified with ego with the story of the separate being and that creates a huge amount of suffering and so interesting he said I had made a deposit in the bank accidently doubled the deposit and I looked in my account like oh that's how it feels to create miraculous money they have course reversed it and they caught it but I like just remember their eye I live in a picture of it I'm like that's how it feels to create in the miraculous alone to really be in that place of effortlessness and is suffering the same as being out of effort there are very very similar Ok Because when we're living in the eco life is difficult everything seems to go wrong it's a struggle we're constantly working and pushing and there are setbacks and it's very difficult when we learn to see the real you to identify with the truth things get much easier and there's a simple explanation for it to back to the Law of Attraction a lot of your listeners I'm sure of heard that what you resist will persist. The more you're fighting and resisting against bad things the more they stay stuck in your life. You know the really cool thing I love is your ability to systematize these esoteric giant topics you really have a great ability to bring it into like at this step program and really fine tune it engineer it so that we don't have to have this lofty conversation like the secret did and it brought in this great conversation but it wasn't a systematized way where the default brain could actually get hacked into seeing something new Thank you and yeah I will be the 1st to admit I was not born with some special talent for healing or mysticism or any of the great point I had to learn at all the talent I do have is I can take these often very difficult esoteric concepts and make them very easy for people that brings that the engineering and the spiritual body and coming together so it can actually help us yes and of course we all are familiar with the idea of enlightenment Yeah and like movement is simply nothing more than living without suffering you did that you reverse engineer Lightman Yes And then the great news is that the I have created systems and processes to make it easier easier for us to go there I like that I mean in Lightning Man is not a as you know a science but you've. I describe it in a way that we could understand with the analytical mind and then have the experience with exactly because sometimes you have these great experiences and then you do quickly forget them because you can't recreate them or explain them short or you have too much of an analytical experience and you emit the emotions sometimes I see people just operating from the neck up and they don't feel it's got to interview integrated both so tell me what the end of suffering program is and as Brant has done he has systematized this for our I mean everybody and it is available today for for the fun drive and it is an incredible program Brent's going to tell us about it but I want to let you know right now if you call it 195 Keep the of k. You will be able to get this program here this very very special program that he has donated the program to our radio station so that you can call and really have the most incredible experience from the end of suffering so what is the program well the program is essentially a set of shortcuts to identify in the limit the causes of suffering in our lives and to show us a different way to live in real