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But whatever the name, it has the manpower, means and ruthlessness to attack the u. S. The man who is supposed to stop that attack is john brennan, the director of the c. I. A. And tonight, in a rare interview first broadcast in february, we hear from brennan about a world of trouble and we start with the most pressing danger. Is isis coming here . John brennan i think isil does want to eventually find its, its mark here. Pelley youre expecting an attack in the United States . Brennan im expecting them to try to put in place the operatives, the material or whatever else that they need to do or to incite people to carry out these attacks clearly. So i believe that their attempts are inevitable. I dont think their successes necessarily are. Pelley can you explain to the folks watching this interview why these people want to kill us . How does attacking the United States further their interests . Brennan i think theyre trying to provoke a clash between the west and the muslim world, or the world that they are in as a way to gain more adherents. Because what they are claiming is that the United States is trying to take over their countries which is the furthest thing from the truth. Pelley paris was a failure of intelligence. All but one of the eight terrorists were french citizens, trained by isis in syria. They returned, unnoticed, and attacked six locations killing 130 people. What did you learn from paris . Brennan that there is a lot that isil probably has underway that we dont have obviously full insight into. We knew the system was blinking red. We knew just in the days before that isil was trying to carry out something. But the individuals involved have been able to take advantage of the newly available means of communication that are that are walled off, from Law Enforcement officials. Pelley youre talking about encrypted internet communications. Brennan yeah, im talking about the very sophisticated use of these technologies and communication systems. Pelley after paris you told your people what . Brennan weve got to work harder. We have to work harder. We need to have the capabilities, the technical capabilities, the human sources. We need to be able to have advanced notice about this so that we can take this the steps to stop them. Believe me, Intelligence Security services have stopped numerous attacks operatives that have been moved from maybe the iraq to syria theater into europe. They have been stopped and interdicted and arrested and detained and debriefed because of very, very good intelligence. Pelley but the failure in paris allowed isis to attack with bombs and assault rifles. And brennan told us theres more in their arsenal. Does isis have chemical weapons . Brennan we have a number of instances where isil has used chemical munitions on the battlefield. Pelley artillery shells. Brennan sure. Yeah. Pelley isis has access to chemical artillery shells . Brennan uhhuh. There are reports that isis has access to chemical precursors and munitions that they can use. Pelley the c. I. A. Believes that isis has the ability to manufacture small quantities of chlorine and mustard gas. And the capability of exporting those chemicals to the west . Brennan i think theres always the potential for that. This is why its so important to cut off the various transportation routes and smuggling routes that they have used. Pelley are there American Assets on the ground right now hunting this down . Brennan the u. S. Intelligence is actively involved in in being a part of the effort to destroy isil and to get as much insight into what they have on the ground inside of syria and iraq. Pelley john brennan has worked at the c. I. A. For most of 36 years, ever since he saw a want ad while he was in graduate school. And he was a high ranking executive here during the recent controversies, iraqs phantom weapons of mass destruction and 9 11. Do you think of water boarding as a dark time in the history of your agency . Brennan sure. Water boarding was something that was authorized. It was something that i do not believe was appropriate. It is something that is not used now and as far as im concerned will not be used again. Pelley you were in management here at the time. You didnt stop it. Brennan no. I had expressed to a few people my misgivings and concerns about it, but no, i did not, you know, slam my fists on a desk. I did not go in and say we shouldnt be doing this. I think long and hard about what i maybe should have done more of at the time. But it was a different time. The ashes of World Trade Center were still smoldering. We knew that other waves of attacks were planned and some that were underway. Pelley in the year or so before 9 11 the c. I. A. Had a covert action plan to attack al qaeda in afghanistan. The administration at that time said, dont do that. We have time. Well deal with this later. And then 9 11 happened. Is this administration making the same mistake now . Brennan well you know there are a lot of options that are presented to this administration as well as to previous administrations and the president has pursued what he believes is appropriate for us to do in order to protect the citizens of this country. Pelley what do you think our policy would be after an isis directed attack in the United States . Brennan if theres a major attack here and we had isis fingerprints on it certainly this would encourage us to be even more forceful in terms of what it is that we need to do. Pelley if our policy after an attack in the United States would be to be more forceful, why isnt that our policy now before an attack . Brennan well, i think were being as forceful as we can be in making sure that were being surgical though as well. What we dont want to do is to alienate others within that region, and have any type of indiscriminate actions that are going to lead to deaths of additional civilians. Pelley the c. I. A. Brennan leads from langley, virginia looks nothing like the agency he joined. Its grown significantly but the numbers are secret. C. I. A. Fights with its own Ground Troops and has an air force of drones. The complexity of the threats today is unprecedented; hacking, the emergence of a more aggressive china, north korea, russia and iran and countries failing all across the middle east. In addition to syria you are now dealing with failed states in libya, somalia, yemen. How do you develop intelligence in all of these countries where the u. S. Has no presence . Brennan we need to be able to operate in areas that are denied to us. We find a way to have our eyes and ears there so that we can inform our policy makers. I do think though that this is going to be more and more a feature of the future. And we here at c. I. A. Are looking at how we need to enhance our expeditionary capabilities and activities because we need to be on the front lines. Pelley well do you imagine setting up c. I. A. Bases, covert bases in many of these countries . Brennan i see c. I. A. Needing to have the presence as well as a an ability to collect intelligence and interact with the locals. And we are in fact doing that in a number of those areas. Pelley who around here has the authority to okay a drone strike . Brennan i know there are a lot of reports about the c. I. A. s role and involvement on that. And i think as you can understand im not going to address any of those reports about c. I. A. s covert action activities. Pelley do you have to accept the deaths of civilians when making a decision about using these weapons . Do you have to say, there are likely to be civilians killed here but its worth it . Brennan well, you know in war there is whats called the law of Armed Conflict that allows for proportional collateral, collateral being civilian deaths. I must tell you that the u. S. Military and the u. S. Government as a whole does an exceptionally, exceptionally strong job of minimizing to the greatest extent possible any type of collateral damage. Pelley but it isnt necessarily a shooting war that worries brennan most. His c. I. A. Is facing a new front in cyber. And to focus on it he set up the agencys first new directorate in more than 50 years. Brennan that cyber environment can pose a very, very serious and significant attack vector for our adversaries if they want to take down our infrastructure, if they want to create havoc in transportation systems, if they want to do great damage to our financial networks. There are safeguards being put in place. But that cyber environment is one that really is the thing that keeps me up at night. Pelley do other countries have the capability of turning the lights off in the United States . Brennan having the capability but then also having the intent are two different things. I think fortunately right now those who may have the capability do not have the intent. Those who may have the intent right now i believe do not have the capability. Because if they had the capability they would deploy and employ those tools. Pelley a few months ago your personal emails were hacked. What did you learn from that, director . Brennan it shows that there are ways that individuals can get into the personal emails of anybody. Pelley is privacy dead . Brennan no. No. Privacy should never be dead. Pelle shouldnt be. But is it, in fact, with these hacktivists, with these nation state actors, with all the things that weve learned about government snooping all around the world, isnt it effectively dead . Brennan you know, its interesting that people always point to the government or others, in terms of the invasion of privacy. But pelley any government . Brennan yeah, but individuals are liberally giving up their privacy, you know, sometimes wittingly and sometimes unwittingly as they give information to companies or to sales reps. Or they go out on facebook or the various social media. They dont realize though that they are then making themselves vulnerable to exploitation. Pelley when your secure phone rings in the middle of the night, whats your first thought . Brennan its usually one of two things. One, its bad news that something tragic has happened to a c. I. A officer or to u. S. Personnel. Or theres been a terrorist attack somewhere of of significance. And so when i reach for the phone i, you know, say a short prayer that its not that. The other, other option is that im being asked to make a decision in the middle of the night on something that may have life and death implications. Could be something related to a covert action program. Pelley have officers died on your watch . Brennan yes. Yes. Not long after i came to the agency we had an officer, a former army ranger, went back out to afghanistan. In the middle of the night he heard a an explosion at the compound next to his where his afghan compatriots were sleeping. He grabbed his gear, he went over there. Another explosion took place. Rather than taking cover he went right to the middle of the fight and started to drag his wounded afghan partners out of harms way. He was hit twice. Continued to fire, then as he was continuing to protect his colleagues and comrades, a hand grenade landed not too far from him and he was mortally wounded. Pelley brennan told us that he has gone to dover, delaware to receive the remains of his fallen. But he can only go when he wont be seen, so no one will connect the body under the flag with the c. I. A. At headquarters, anonymous stars are carved for the dead. 113 in all, 31 since 9 11. And brennan presides over an annual memorial for the families. Brennan we have family members of Agency Officers who died in the 1950s whose grandchildren grandnieces and nephews come back here in order to feel a part of this agency. So its a great, great honor to be a part of this organization where, again, selfless men and women of the agency have done their absolute best. Have we made mistakes . Yeah, we have. Do we need to be held accountable for them . Yeah. But lets not forget the sacrifices that have been made in the name of c. I. A. Cbs money watch update sponsored by committed to improving the lives of patients with afib. Good evening, financial factors the u. S. 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Of a Major Company was convicted of a Workplace Safety crime. His name is Don Blankenship and he was once known as the king of coal. As we first reported earlier this year, the company he ran, massey energy, owned more than 40 mines in central appalachia, including the Upper Big Branch mine, located in montcoal, west virginia, a state where coal is the dominant industry. In 2010, the Upper Big Branch mine was the site of the worst mining disaster in the u. S. In 40 years. The kind of accident that isnt supposed to happen anymore. It was just after 3 00 on april 5, when a massive explosion tore through miles of underground tunnels, killing 29 miners. Prosecutors accused Don Blankenship of ignoring mine safety laws and fostering a corporate mentality that allowed the disaster to occur. Stanley stewart it was tremendous. Im no expert, but just from what i know of what happened and the things that were torn up in there, it had to be like an atomic explosion. Cooper Stanley Stewart worked at the Upper Big Branch mine for 15 years. He was 300 feet underground and had just started his shift when the explosion occurred. Stewart i felt a little breeze of air coming from inside. And i said thats not right. Well then it got harder, and we just took off running to the outside, and looked and you could see the whoosh just keep coming and coming. Seemed like for somewhere between two and four minutes. And one of the younger guys said hey, what happened . And i said buddy, the place blew up. Cooper the explosion occurred 1,000 feet underground and nearly three miles inside the mine. These photos, taken by the mine safety and Health Administration, have never been seen before, and show the force of the blast. Flames moving at more than 1,500 feet per second shot through more than 2. 5 miles of underground tunnels. Investigators believe the blast was caused by a spark that ignited methane gas that had built up due to inadequate ventilation. Highly flammable coal dust that had been allowed to accumulate throughout the mine fueled the explosion. Stewart it was an early 1900s type of explosion. Conditions should never have existed for that to take place. Cooper stewart was there when some of the 29 miners hed wo