Hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes. Dickerson well talk with trump supporter and former President Shall candidate dr. Ben carson. Hillary clintons controversies pop up again, a new batch of emails and new questions about the cozy relationship between the Clinton Foundation and state department. House oversight and Government Reform Committee chair Jason Chaffetz wise in as does Donna Brazile. 72 days left until the election, the President Shall candidates are boiling it down to one question. What the hell do you have to lose . The answer is, everything. Dickerson all ahead on face the nation. Good morning, welcome to face the nation im john dickerson. Joining us Donald TrumpsCampaign ManagerKellyanne Conway. I want to start with immigration, please. First, donald trump has told us over the last several months on the question of the 11 million undocumented, that they will me must leave the country as part of his plan, that seems to have been pretty stable in our conversations with him. Now it seems to be shifting, why is that . Actually hes not, hes pretty consistent, immigration is a very complex issue, so if i may just talk about the six or seven tenants of his plan, i will address your question. First, theres still no amnesty. Secondly hes building that wall. That has been the centerpiece of his candidacy and his immigration from the beginning it has not changed one inch. Third, we have to have sanctuary cities. Next, he has said that he will force enforce the law that is a model concept they like to lay law on top of law never enforce it. Also said, that for those 11 million if that in fact is the number, he wants to address that issue humanely and fairly, those were his words. Also said that he wants to not cause harm to people. The question what to do. He has said that, if you want to be here legally, you have to apply to be here legally. We all learned in kindergarten to stand in line and wait our turn, he is not talking about deportation, but he is talking about being fair and humane, also being fair to the workers who are competing for jobs, being fair to all of us that want secure borders. Dickerson is law to be enforced the 11 million lets just use that number for the moment are here illegally, enforcing the law would mean having them leave. How do they leave . Do they self deport or does is there a Deportation Force or something that helps them leave the country immediately as hes previously said hed like to see happen. Thats really the question here, john. He has to deal with those agencies and those individuals already responsible for this who arent doing their job. Enforce the law the way he wants to enforce the law, he obviously would work with Law Enforcement, immigration, immigration agencies, we have ice, we have agencies that already exist that are meant to be doing this already. And again, its a very unusual idea for a president of the United States that would be President Trump to actually enforce a law and see how we can do this in way that to quote him, fair, humane and effective. Dickerson someone who has run on being candid about things, apparent muddiness of this caused some of his supporters, hes at the center of immigration studies, sarah palin and anne colter have subtled or think or might be abandoning his position, sheer what he said, whatever remaining chance he had to win the white house is gone. Fact now that he has betrayed his base on the signature issue that he ran on seems to me the death knell of his candidacy, he said that to the wall street journal. What has he got wrong . He says something differently in a meeting just last week, or maybe the week before when he was in trump tower for a roundtable, the fact is i would say all those people, and mr. Trump supporters, that look at his plan, you look at the no amnesty, and enforcing the law and making sure that theres no legalization, also said that, its exactly what hes been talking about all together. And by the way, there are two major choices in that ballot box, if you look at Hillary Clintons immigration plan, you see a real see convergence of a plan that would actually create more illegals coming in here, porous border, sanctuary cities, catch and release that local Law Enforcement hands are tied, catching illegal immigrant who has committed a crime. Just release them. Donald trump said if you committed a crime youre out of here. This isnt just referendum of Donald Trumps immigration you have to contrast to Hillary Clintons, shes been very critical of president obama because he has deported millions of illegals and because he has used executive amnesty a little bit. But she promises to use that it much more. Dickerson let me touch on couple of other issues that mr. Drum tweeted after nbas cousin was shot. Dwyane wades cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in chicago, just what i have been saying, African Americans will vote trump. What did he mean . Tweeted his condolences to the family right after that, like everybody to know about those tweets because i think its incredibly important for all of us to come together, john, in a very nonpartisan fashion and express our condolences to families like the wade family. Also our outrage that things like this can happen. This woman was pushing her baby stroller, four children today including newborn that dont have their mort. Dickerson absolutely i think its important that donald trump is taking his message to communities of color. Republicans sometimes show up at different forms but they dont continue with this message trying to reach all americans in the coming weeks you will see mr. Trump directly dickerson let me ask you just a second try to unpack the first tweet. I just dont know what that means. I think you have to look at both where he expresses condolences and he says, reminds hes been trying to make the case that the increase in random crime and senseless murders, the poverty, the joblessness, the homelessness in some of our major cities is unacceptable to all of us. The idea that certain politicians, hes not one of them, have looked the other way and have not done everything they can do to help all americans including communities of color, is unacceptable to all of us. Certainly unacceptable to a President Trump. Dickerson some people pointed out in number of instances whether its orlando shooting, paris attacks now this one, his first instinct to talk about himself, his policies, tragedy as validation of what hes been saying. Is that healthy for President Shall candidate to do that . But most americans see what he does on a weekly basis which is he gives policy position speeches. Hes been out there just in the last two weeks, john, talking about middle class tax relief, Law Enforcement, communities of color, the corrupt system that is the clinton enterprise. And hes out there actually taking his case to the people. What did Hillary Clinton give speech on, not energy, infrastructure, economy of jobs, obamacare, defeating terrorism. She talked about him. Hes talking about issues she talking about him. And that is just remarkable contrast in the way these two individuals are running their campaign. And so, i think people should look at the full measure of the man, look at his plan to defeat radical terrorism. To help our inner cities and also all americans. And contrast it to Hillary Clinton who this week i think elevated insult into an art form. Frankly, has less the Democratic Party where i grew up, the Democratic Party, her fair is a big way from hope and change. Dickerson what about, donald trump called her a bigot. Do you is that a campaign position, something hes going to keep saying . See what donald trump is called by near low everybody in clinton world including many of her supporters before he gets out of bed in the morning. This man has been called everything in the book, insults, routinely, people think its funny they put on twitter feeds even though theyre supposed to be objective journalists he says, basically to her policies have left people behind. And the policy that she will continue will not help many of the people who still feel like they dont have the same opportunities as education, the same economic upward mobility that other people have been able to leverage. That they deserve the same. So, pardon me if i cant get all exercised about name calling when Hillary Clinton gave entire speech this week about name calling, not about the issues, we have no idea what she was doing with obamacare which is failing everywhere, tennessee just this week said that that exchange is failing as well. That would be number 17 by my count of the 23 obviously major pulling out of the exchanges. Obamacare looks like a failed experiment. We dont know what she will do about economy of jobs, no idea what y she called isis our determined enemies rather than terrorists. She preferred to pro life republican as terrorist, she doesnt refer to terrorists as terrorists. Thats very troubling. Dickerson thanks so much for being with us. Thank you. With us now is Democratic NationalCommittee Chair donna bra brazile. Start with a quote from veteran political reporter al hunted, he writes this in bloomberg. The democrats had successful convention, republicans didnt. Clintons campaign has been smooth, trump as has careened between disasters. She reached out to independents and republicans, he insulted the family of a soldier killed in iraq. Clinton out spent him three to one, shes only ahead by five percentage points, why do you think that is . Thank you, its great to be back, its been awhile, good to see you always. If you dont mind let me just start by saying, 53 years ago they dr. King gave historic speech not far from here where he raised our consciousness to talk about ways in which we come together as americans. So, listening to kellyanne i just wanted to remind our friends out there that this is a country that made so many remarkable strides toward more perfect union. Im proud to be the chair of the Democratic Party. We have a great election psych they will year, theres no question that the American People are looking for a candidate who will be able to, what i call, continue to make progress whether on health care, whether its job creation, of course keeping the country safe and secure. Im not worried about the polls today because as you know, the polls today reflect pretty much where the mood s. The mood of the country, lot of voters are still undecided. Hillary clinton and tim kaine over period of last three weeks they have been able to expand their performance, not just in the socalled battleground states, but were looking now at opportunities in arizona and georgia and elsewhere to continue to spread this democratic message of inclusion, of stronger job creation, small businesses. I think were going to have a terrific year this year. Dickerson what al shunt getting a at something we hear about, Hillary Clinton should be doing better, the reason she isnt is in the news, number of different ways this week. First is, the emails that were disclosed of relationships between the Clinton Foundation and the clinton state department, republicans call it, pay to play. Why are they wrong about that . First of all the republicans call when republicans meet with their donors, their supporters they call it a conflick. Its not pay to play, less somebody actually gave someone 50 cents to say i need a meeting, no. This great country when you meet who constituents, heads of states, meet with people like bono who i love, you meet with them because they have want to bring a matter to your attention thats not pay to play. Its called that when democrats do it. Its not called that when republicans do it. Dickerson we do see in the emails is a kind of easy relationship between the foundation and the state department, foundation calls says, weve got somebody who they say is a friend of ours, theyre not saying that because they gave them a gift basket at christmas. They are saying because theyre a big donora friend of ours, can you have this meeting, some times it happens, sometimes it didnt. Theres a very easy relationship, is that just the way washington works . I dont want to say that is how washington works. I didnt work for the foundation, let me say im very strong supporter of the Clinton Foundation. I remember back in 2001 when bill clinton set up shop in harlem in new york to begin to build a foundation that would help not just poor communities that are struggling, but developing countries with hiv aids, with malaria, other disgusting diseases, this is a foundation that has done remarkable work, even Kellyanne Conway said they have supported the Clinton Foundation, i think they had bright purpose, green or blue line between foundation and state department theres no question that when someone knows someone, look, i have friend, do you want to set this up meeting. If you look at all of the socalled chain almost at the point where im exhausted reading internal emails that have been leaked or somehow another received, even in the case of bono who i mentioned who i love, he had a request in, his music to be streamed through, they rejected it. There is no of course we are going to read these emails, have a lot of answers from the gossip, some times dont have lot of interest in the crime. In the case of the democrat, i have to mention this because im a little bit familiar, Democratic Party was victim of a cyberattack by a foreign count country. And once we were attacked, the media became obsessed with what was in the emails and not the crime itself. In fact, the person who is telling personal information of individuals involved in this serious act, able to come on television and say, i got more i have more material to give out to the media. Media focus who i call internal gossip not the crime itself. I am worried about cybersecurity and the threat that it poses to our democracy. Dickerson but concern about emails because emails were in a private server they werent couldnt get to them in the normal way this isnt just some kind of random and again, going back because i like so many lines that you cross talking about emails, theres no question that whether the state Department Emails that were released, the state Department Emails that were leaked, state Department Emails that were coming out. However you draw the conclusion, if theres no there there. If by if because you were able to get in and see someone by making a request, we saw nobel Prize Winners wanting to meet with the secretary of state. Heads of state, there was a lot of people who wanted to meet the secretary of state, former secretary of state met with literally thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of individuals. Dickerson well have to leave it there, donna. Thanks so much for being with us. Us. Well be back in one minute. t r your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. 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She said at press conference, i think fbi should provide the congress, consequently the public unclassified version that can be released. Dickerson one of the things were trying to do here figure out whether there was something truly wrong that was done here in the relationship with the state department and Clinton Foundation for whether this is just kind of way things are done in washington, people give lot of money, get phone called returned faster, get emails returned. So youve said that it smells like pay to play in this relationship between Clinton Foundation donors and state department. What evidenc