Charlie we conclude this evening with lynne cheney. Her new biography of James Madison is called James Madison a life reconsidered. Washington is calledni the indispensable man. Without madison, there would have been no constitution, i think you can make that case, certainly no bill of rights. He was absolutely essential getting the new government under the constitution underway and became the first president to take the nation to war under the constitution, setting a precedent there as well. Kkf i think of all the founders, hes probably most left the impression of his mind on our lives. Charlie sister rosemary and lynne cheney next. Theres a saying around here you stand behind what you say. Around here, we dont make excuses, we make commitments. And when you cant live up to them, you own up and make it right. Some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where its needed most. But i know youll still find it, when you know where to look. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Charlie sister Rosemary Nyirumbe is here, her work is to provide shelter for female victims of the shelter in uganda, and the subjects of a document rinarratedni by for ret whitaker called sewing hope. 3 especially. They were capable young killers but could be used as sex slaves for commanding young officers. Eventually these girls became mothers themselves, some as young as 13 or 14 years old. Six yearsni after kony fled northern uganda, these girls were released from physical bondage but they still remained enslaved, carrying scars from their time in the bush and their captors children on their backs, they had nowhere to turn. The guns have stopped firing but the war still remains for one woman who directs a small tailoring school in gulu, uganda. She fights for these girls, with sewing machines and pop tabs. Charlie the fate of girls abducted by terrorist groups in africa has been in the head lines recently. Boko haram kidnapped almost 30 school girls last month and promised to sell them into slavery. The president promised assistance to find the girls. Im proud to have sister rosemary at this table for the first time and thanks for visiting us. Thank you for having me here. Im happy you gave me this opportunity to speak. Charlie me what you do. I have been engaged for many years helping young women and children get up from where their life has been robbed from them, especially their dignity, their childhood and education and a good number of them were even robbed of their own families. So most of the children abducted by the north resistance army, taken into captivity, trained as child slaves and the young girls were given over to the commanders and used as sex slaves. They were gods children. When they came back, it was a very different life for them. They didnt know how to start. The community were afraid of the children because they were trained killers. The army used tactics of training these children as kill canners. They were able to kill their own siblings and these children were feared by the community when they came back. This was exactly the time when i thought it was important for me to open the school, open the door and make the school become more of a family, where these girls can be accepted, where they can again restore their own lost childhood, where they can recover from their pain. It was daily walking with them, accompanying them, and together with my assistance to adopt these girls and children, show them love. Charlie for rest whitaker writing in the times 100 profile, he said sister rosemary has the power to rekindle a bright light in ey the women with children born out of conflict, she helps them become loving mothers at last. How do you explain that . For these children to become loving mothers, they had to receive love. Charlie nr to give love, you have to receive love. Yes, and accept walking side by side with them, giving them love. I really had to act as a mother. These girls began to love their own children. Ive sort of given them skills. I told them, whatever skills im giving you, make sure you get married to it because it will be your future. You get married tomorrow to somebody. It might be a temporary marriage and will not help you to take care of these children. Learn all the skills, get married to them, and you will see how you walk with your head up, you will have your dignity restored. Your destiny is in your own hands, and thats how they became loving mothers because theyre able to provide for their own children. Charlie you have met children fathered byco joseph kony. Yes. Charlie who is he . If i had a chance to meet him, the only thing i can say to him is that i forgive you but i would like you to know that i have been caring for your children. I have been restoring the dignity of the girls who you took and i will not forget to tell him that these children have fought back and their dignity is restored and they are the winners, its not you. Charlie how many young girls kyung he has taken, joseph kony . At one time, there were more than 50 girls who were his wives and, of course, thousands of girls who were taken. Sometimes its difficult to keep the number. Charlie and now we have the story of nigeria boko haram. And you have said they have been given into sex slavery. Human trafficking. Marriage is a noble word. Let us call it sex slavery, human trafficking, which is evil. We must not sugar coat anything. We must call evil by its name to fight it. That means we must come together to really realize and say thisnr is evil, we are fighting against it. Charlie you argue its the media that can make a difference . So much. The media can make a difference. Not just the media could make things not look right. The media in this case can make things look right if they bring out the right title, if they encourage people by saying this is sex slavery. Many times people forget. I know were all human beings, and many times the media looks for Current Issues where they can say easily, this is an old story. For instance, when this is happening in uganda, some people had courage to say this is something that we cannot talk about anymore. Its not on the front page. It has happened in nigeria. And in two weeks, this is already something old, we need new topics to put in the front line. I think that is wrong, the media should put this over and over again in the front page and call it by its name and encourage people, call on people that weve got to fight this evil. It is not only nigeria. Its not a nigerian issue anymore or an african issue anymore, it is an issue for the world to fight against. Charlie and you think the world will respond . I think the world should respond. Charlie i know you think it should. Do you think they will . If they dont respond, those few who understand and know we must stand up and shout to people we must come together and shout. Charlie what is it that drives them, these leaders of boko haram . All selfish interest, power and also trying to make women look as if they were trash, women of no values. Because for women to try to work through their life and go to study to define their future, you come and take them and say stop studying. I think its terrible. Its a way of crushing women again. Its a way to make women to be, like, secondclass citizens in the world. I think thats very, very wrong. Charlie the president s reacted, as you saw. Yes. Charlie that must please you. I was very happy. Charlie but they can do more. They can do more. They can do more. And, of course, i keep emphasizing, the media should keep encouraging, should keep on talking about this over and over again. Sometimes silence doesnt do us any favor in this case. This is evil against humanity. What has happened to nigeria can happen in the United States, can happen again in uganda, can happen in any part of the world. So let us forget who we are and we say, if we dont fight this evil, it will happen. Let us put ourselves in place of the mothers of these girls. Let us put ourselves in the place of these girls. They feel like theyre forgotten. We have to give them the encouragement that theyre not forgotten. Were going to let them be walking in hope again. Charlie so when you perceive them, whether its in uganda or sudan or if you would visit nigeria, tell me how it impacts them because, obviously, it destroys, in some cases, hope. Yes. Charlie you suffer abuse. Yeah. Charlie you suffer even though a Sexual Assault and assault on your dignity, your person. But it means a lot to be able to open arms and accept these children, embrace these girls, and make them feel i am embracing you. I know your background, but i dont care. Its only love and compassion i show you. If i can embrace you, i can give you love. I know you have been sexually destroyed. I want to encourage you, slowly, speak about it. Speak about it. Im as a mother to you. I think these children will know the world cares. Let their tears come, but we must be able to wipe those tears. They should cry on our shoulders. Charlie tell me the stories that have moved you the most. There are a lot of things that have moved me the most, but when i see these young women struggle and working through, i see their resilience, i see how strong they are. It moves me. And i say, we must not let them be alone. Weve got to encourage them. And we have to let them know they are made for more. They have a lot of values. The world is there caring for them, and everybody at this time is going to let them feel their situation and their future can be better. Charlie we know sex trafficking is a global phenomenon. Yes. Charlie even reaches into the United States. Yes. Charlie how pervasive is it in africa . It is, i think, a lot, and everywhere. The only thing is that thexd silenceni about it, people are t speaking about it. So its like it is not much. It is there. There is like any problem. People are not speaking about it. People need to speak. It is there. Charlie to remove whatever self chain there is. Exactly. Sometimes they say girls or women are brought to developed countries, like even to the United States, what are are people doing about it . Are we speaking about it . Let us hope and pray that there are not people are there, very important, who finance that, you know, because it is truly evil. Charlie so here sitting with me this evening, you seem to say the most important thing we can have is enormous focus from the media yes. Charlie and governments yes. Charlie with a will and commitment to return the children because you have said we talk about lost boys, its time to talk about lost girls, yes everybody talks about lost boys, lost boys. Im asking, im questioning everybody. Where are the lost girls . There are so many even among us, no one speaks about them. And were soni surprised. A woman said, sister, youve touched my life. I was one to have the lost girls. Charlie where was this . At the gala. Charlie she was one of the sex slaves . Yes. I was just in tennessee. I spoke about human trafficking. At the end of my tour. A woman came up and said, sister, what you have been talking about touched my life directly. I have been kidnapped. It touches people among us, but we dont know about them. We dont even speak about them. This i think the media could do great to high light this from time to time. Charlie and not make it tomorrows story. It is never a front story, it is not charlie do you worry about your own safety . Well, let me tell you the truth if there was any problem that my life comes to an end, it means god is telling me, now you dont have much to do, youre finished. But as i am here talking, i think god is my protector and he wants me to continue doing what i am doing, he wants me to speak on behalf to have the voiceless. Thisly say, i will not only speak, i will shout. Charlie with no fear . No fear. I have no fear. God takes care of me. My protector, my defender is god, and im totally convinced truth will set me free and truth will set many people free. Charlie i think god has a purpose for you. Here i am. Charlie before i go, i want to talk about this. This is a book called sewing hope. Joseph kony tore those lives apart, can she stitch them back together. Tell me about st. Monicas girls tailoring school. You know, st. Monicas is a tailoring school, and tailoring is just an umbrella because we teach many, many different skills, practical skills for these girls. As you can see, the cover of that book, were using a needle to sew hope. Charlie yes. That means we are sewing broken lives together, we are trying to let them continueco working, inni hope, knowing that they once considered their lives as it was ended, and i always tell them, welsc, we shall mendr life and put your life together from where it stopped. And this book actually tells a lot of story. You see the cover is sister rosemary. The book is not about me. The book is a story about these children who are talking about theirco own lives themselves, ad its very important that people try to be curious to read this book because it will get the children speaking in that book. Of course, it is painful and sometimes it becomes light, and the book talks about me with my fear and courage, which i find sometimes funny. I didnt know killing snakes, like cobras, was my strength, and in that book, it talks about it. Charlie you can kill a cobra. I killed two of them. And i didnt know that the fear i have of caterpillars charlie you fear caterpillars . Yes. Charlie why . I dont know i dont want to discuss it laughter charlie you dont want to discuss it. I dont want to discuss it. Dont take me into it it talks about how a man takes his own life, how he lost hope. And these young women in uganda, how it made him to recover from his own hopelessness because he had just lost a son due to Prescription Drug abuse. And meeting me and what im doing with the children, it brought him hope because hea3 said, if i have any sympathy with myself, ill put it aside and support the children. Charlie this is a scene from sewing hope where well see a young woman talk about being abducted by joseph kony and his lords resistance army. Here it is. Charlie thats who they are. Yeah. Thats who they are. I normally dont watch it. It pains me because im living with these young women. Im not just telling stories. Charlie when do you go back . Im going back next week. Charlie what will you do when you get back . When i go back, they keep waiting for me. They know that im coming, they know that im bringing them some work to continue with their life. They ask me, have you brought us work . Which makes me happy because theyre not asking me if i brought them money, theyre asking for work, and i have a lot of jobs. I look like a crazy woman. Charlie show us that. These are great because its changing the lives of the women and their children. Charlie made from . Pop tabs. Charlie yes, look at that. They are on the web site called sistersunited. Com in the United States. And i always tell people, look at the beauty of these and think of what theyre made of. Theyre made of what everyone would consider trash. It is just signifying these young women who are considered trash. Charlie good luck to you. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me on this show. Charlie thank you. Well be back. Stay with us. Charlie lynne cheney is here. She is an historian, bestselling author and wife of former Vice President dick cheney. Her book is called James Madison a life reconsidered, the fourth president. She senses his grand accomplishments are underrated. An historian writes her book deserves to stand near the center of our early American Firm mament. Welcome, lynne cheney. A great pleasure to be here. Charlie we saw you on the Morning Program and everybody is becoming interested in James Madison. It must make you happy. I hope i can help in the effort. He has long been, i think, our most underrated president and the thought is not original with me. When john kennedy was president , he said madison was the most underappreciated of his predecessors. Charlie but you put him very high up beyond underappreciated because of his accomplishments as is suggested in the quote. I mean, you really think this is a man who was responsible for so much of what we are in terms of the ideas and beliefs that made the nation. Exactly. Washington has been called the indispensable man, but without madison, there would have been no constitution, i think you can fairly make that case, certainly no bill of rights. He was absolutely essential to the constitution underway. Then he became the first president to take the nation to war under the constitution, setting a precedent there as well. I think of all the founders, hes probably most left the impression of his mind on our lives. Charlie so why is he underappreciated . Well, maybe because he was calm and reserved. You know, we tend to you know, paradise lost. People always used to ask when i was working on my ph. D. In english, why is it the devil is more attractive than god in paradise lost . So we kind of like our rogue politicians who shock us and keep us interested. Madison was a man of great steadiness, a man who overcame adversity and studied deeply. Perhaps we dont like the more saintly of our founders as much as, but he was a great man. Charlie stature . 56 and, charlie, to me, thats tall laughter but youre right, his wife was taller than me. Jefferson was over 6 feet, washington was over 6 feet. Someone observed at one of the Virginia Conventions, madison may have been the shortest person there. But he was very fit. One of the people at the Virginia Convention in 1776, when virginia was writing its constitution after the break from england was becoming apparent, someone there wrote how fit he was and how steady his gaze was, and Thomas Jefferson said he had a most communing presence. Charlie ommanding presence. Charlie Dolly Madison became well known in her own right. He saw her on the streets of philadelphia, fell in love with her. Of all people, he asked aaron byrd to arrange an introduction. He did and they were married shortly thereafter. It was one of the great political marriages. It would be then what dollys skill was was to bring people together and make them feel warm and congenial and appreciate her husband. In those days, the congress, the caucuses of the congress, chose the president ial nominees. So theres contemporary testimony as to how dollys ability toni bring people togetr helped her husband become the president ial nominee. Charlie he was secretary of state to Thomas Jefferson who was his longtime friend. Yes