And really the best way to check both of those boxes are a continuation of the diplomacy, but the challenge here is not finding an agreement between iranian president Hassan Rouhani or barack obama or u. S. Secretary of state and john kerry and Iranian Foreign minister, the real challenge here is finding a document in which both the u. S. Congress and the Iranian Revolutionary guards can agree upon, a document in which both israeli prime minister, netanyahu and iranian Supreme Leader can agree upon it, and i think that is the real challenges is finding a vin diagram in which iranian ideology, american domestic politics and Israeli National security all intersect. Rose we conclude this evening with a look at Silicon Valley through the eyes of reid hoffman, one of the foremost figure there is and the founder of linkedin. 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Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Negotiations in vienna about Irans Nuclear program. The deadline is sunday, july 20th, a temporary agreement does allow for an extension of up to six months. Iranian foreign minister spoke earlier today about three days of meetings between the parties he said there had been enough progress to justify an extension, secretary of state john kerry also spoke earlier today. I am returning to washington today to consult with president. And with leaders in congress over the coming days about the prospects for a comprehensive agreement as well as a path forward if we do not achieve one by the 20th of july. Including the question of whether or not more time is warranted, based on the progress we have made and how things are going. As i have said, and i repeat, there has been tangible progress on key issues. And we have extensive conversations in which we moved on certain things. However, there are also very real gaps on other key issues. And what we are trying to do is find a way for iran to have an exclusively Peaceful Nuclear program while giving the world all the assurances required to know that iran is not seeking a Nuclear Weapon. I want to underscore, these goals are not incompatible. In fact, they are realistic. But we have not yet found the right combination or arrived at the workable formula. There are more issues to work through and more provisions to nail down. To ensure that irans program will always remain exclusively peaceful. So we are going to continue to work. And we are going to continue to work with the belief that there is a way forward. But and this is a critical point. While there is a path forward, iran needs to choose to take it, and our goal now is to determine the precise contours of that path, and i believe we can. Rose joining me now from washington, karim sadjadpour, current associate of the senior carnegie endowment. And ray takeyh, senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. Let me begin with you, ray, what happened over there . We have a proposal announced by the foreign minister of iran, we have the secretary of states response to it. What is exactly the progress and what is exactly the stumbling point . Sure. I think if you look at what the foreign minister has suggested, the iranian negotiating team essentially wants to keep the Enrichment Program intact at its current level and thats totally unacceptable to the United States and its partners. However there has been some progress made seemingly on the issue of enrichment facility iranians are apparently willing to transform that into a Research Reactor and of course the iraq heavy water facility which is supposed to be modified to produce less plutonium and therefore make it more proliferation resistant. I think the critical issue of this agreement is the existing scope of iranian Enrichment Program and it is duration of the final agreement, any agreement as negotiated between and the iran will have a sunset clause. Iran wants to limit the clause while the International Community seems to resist on 20 years, those are fairly substantial gaps. Karim . I think what ray said is absolutely right, charlie. I am looking at it from the per perspective of the United States i would say barack obama has two major priorities in the iran policy. He wants to veteran, avert an iranian bomb and bombing iran and really the best way to check both of those boxes is a continuation of diplomacy, but the challenge here is not finding an agreement between iranian president Hassan Rouhani and barack obama or u. S. Secretary of state john kerry and Iranian Foreign minister sheriff, the real problem is finding a document in both the u. S. Congress and the Iran Revolutionary guard can agree upon, a document that both israeli brian minister Benjamin Netanyahu and iranian Supreme Leader can agree upon it. And i think that is the real challenge is finding a ven diagram in which iranian ideology, american domestic politics and Israeli National security all intersect. It is not simply that if you could find an agreement in which the United States, whether it is the president would be assured that they had signed an agreement that would limit their capacity to break out, and if, in fact, the extreme leader would sign on to that that you have a deal, isnt it that simple or as you suggested, you know, other people have to do and be involved in what is acceptable to them before they will sign off . Well, as ray said, charlie there is a major gap still in the numbers. Iran doesnt really want to drive the car in reverse. It wants to maintain what it has and in seven to ten years it should have an industrial, industrial size, industrial scale Nuclear Program, and the United States wants iran to significantly curtail what it has now. And it is a decade from now, perhaps iran will be granted what it has essentially right now so i think there are some huge gaps that remain, but when you contemplate the alternative to diplomacy, which is a return to the status quo, antipotential escalation sanctions on our end iran moving forward in its Nuclear Program and a disastrous war, potentially disastrous warm which president. There is. What part of the negotiations we havent spoken about is a stepbystep in terms of the proposal by foreign minister sharif is a stepbystep reduction in the sanctions . Will the americans stand for any reduction in the sanctions in terms of the significant way until they have more give on the part of the iranians . Ray . I think existing proposal that the foreign minister sharif has on the table is unacceptable to the United States congress and unacceptable to the president obama legislation. If you look at the legislation that has passed and mandated sanctions are related to that legislation there has to be a significant dismantling of the Iranian Nuclear facility. And not just expanding in five years. At this point the iranian proposal is unacceptable to the americans and legislative and executive branch. What do you make of the fact that the extreme leader said that iran will insist on having 190,000 centrifuges which is way above americans will accept . Actually he was reflecting the iranian position, namely, his position is not that different from his negotiators, what he will u suggest is questn will accept restrictions for a number of years, and upon the expiration of that sunset clause we will expand the program to meet our Domestic Energy needs. And he identified those Domestic Energy needs as requiring 190,000 centrifuges so in that particular sense he is not out of step with his negotiators, they all agree after expiration of the sunset clause they have a right to be treated as any other member of the mpg, for instance japan and have a right to have a Nuclear Industrial type capacity of france or germany who use Nuclear Energy for domestic purposes. Would both of you look at this proposal by the foreign minister and say these are reasonable proposals . I think the foreign minister proposal is certainly not sufficient to reach a deal, but it is sufficient enough to see a continuation of the negotiations. And, you know, back to the extreme leader, i think his recent advocacy of 190,000, depending on what type of centrifuges youre a looking at, is or 190,000 centrifuges or 100,000 centrifuges, you know that was kind of a classic harmony position in that he simultaneously advocated, he supports, supported the diplomatic negotiations but he set the bar so high he undermined his own negotiating team and this raises the question of whether the hardliners in iran really want to see a nuclear deal. Because dating back to the 1979 seizure of the u. S. Embassy in iran, the hostage crisis, these hardline in other words tehran have really manufactured and prolonged external crises for internal legitimacy, so this is also the big challenge of reaching a deal with these forces in iran which may seem, see it inimical to their interest of reaching a nuclear deal. I think karim put his hand exactly on the issue. He wont own a nuclear agreement. Thats a signal he has made to his president and foreign minister, that he will not take ownership of an agreement that drastically reduces Irans Nuclear capability. Going forward that is the huge problem in terms of the negotiations. Unless he changes his mind and thus far actually he hasnt. He establishes real lines in his speech in september when he said no Nuclear Facility will be shuttered and you will, no Nuclear Resources will be shipped out of the country for reprocessing and so forth. He has maintained those broad lines and imposed those on his negotiators, if he continues to do so, these borne educations are going to prolong for reasons that kerry suggested, but in terms of their actually can getting to a final settlement sat i are to all the parties, that might be a little difficult. Is it just simple and provable that because these negotiations have been taking tg place and because they have certain restrictions built in them that iran is not at a place it might have been if there were no negotiations . Albeit the go ahead. I think that is probably right. And in th the absence of negotiations iran probably has expanded its capacity much more and have installed more centrifuges, it would have developed Second Generation centrifuges with greater speed. However, that path would also be complicated by the fact that irans economy would be in much more of a difficult shape so there has always been a tradeoff. Nuclear expansion has come at the price of economic contract shun and the in the past six months both parties have taken a breather, so you are right. Irans economy would be much worse by this Nuclear Capabilities would be much more dangerous in absence of a joint plan of action. How close is iran today. We always ask that. I suspect it is the same place it was six months ago, because of the freeze that, and the cams imposed on this capacity to manufacture a bomb, so based upon who you asked, the estimates are still within six months or a year that if it wants to, it can move to a Nuclear Weapon capacity with that level of speed, but, again, there is sufficient time at this point for iran to be detected and that is the essence, the essential deterrence against that move. Camera karim . I would add, charlie when you talk to members of congress about iran what really animates them is actually less Irans Nuclear ambitions and more its position in the middle east, its rejection of israels existence, its holocaust denial, support for groups of hamas, Islamic Jihad so in many way u. S. Policy in iran is domestic policy as a Foreign Policy and i think herein lies the channel, you know, the Obama Administration is trying to do is to reach a technical resolution of what is essentially a political conflict. The iranian Supreme Leader made clear these negotiations are not about improving the u. S. Iran relationship. This is not about detente this is just an arms control deal and at its a heart the u. S. Iran conflict is about mistrust, mutual mistrust and what ray is talking about is right, i think it is very difficult to bridge this mistrust gap, only on the nuclear file while maintaining it politically. Rose are the end of negotiations, any kind of conversation going on in iraq because of the threat of isis there that might, you know, mean a level of conversation about things beyond nuclear . I suspect john kerry and sharif have had side conversations about iran and i think iraq really amplifies this major incon griewns between irans revolutionary ideology and National Interests according to irans revolutionary ideology, the major enemies are america and israel. But when you look at it in terms of irans National Interests you could argue that america, that israel is actually a potential ally to iran in fighting these radical sunni jihadists, they are both concerned about and i think this is over the last month or so was another opportunity for the extreme leader to put National Interests ahead of ideological interests, but whenever he has had that opportunity, he always put ideological interests before National Interests and thats why i am not optimistic that we are on the verge of a potential major diplomatic breakthrough but i think best Case Scenario we can reduce the tension on the nuclear file. I will side. I think the tragedy of this that has become the tragedy of his country he has suborned the National Interests to his ideological compulsions thats why many areas of potential cooperation in iran have gone and gone because of the animus he feels towards the United States. Rose thank you with that very much, pleasure to have both of you here. Thank you charlie. We will be right back. Stay with us. Reid hoffman is here, and partner of the Venture Capital firm, greylock, where he focuses on a range of tech investments, including the consumer internet, social gaming and payment. And silicon centrally he is the one many call when they are looking for tech advice. His new book is called the alliance managing talent in the network age. It is cowritten with entrepreneurs ben i am pleased to have reid hoffman back at the table. Welcome. Great to be here. I mean did i give justice to your coauthors there . Yes, they are both serial entrepreneurs and also authors in their own right. Ben written his own book and chris has written a very expensive blog. Ben, ben and i, our first collaboration, our first tour of duty as it were. What did you set out to be, you in your life . Computer scientist . There is a version which i was aspiring to be you. Rose oh, really . Yes. When i was at stanford. Rose i would rather be you. The publican intellectual who talks about who we are in society and who we should be. Rose thats exactly what we do here. Exactly. And help us down that path. And originally i was thinking i was going to be an academic and publican intellectual and in both that doesnt resonate with public yes intellectual stuff bi became a creator of software. Rose and the rest. Yes. And has does the packet you have been so good at this given you an opportunity also to be have a voice in the marble conversation . I hope so, and maybe more overtime, i mean, part of the well, anything from writing books to, you know, for example, helping todd park figure out things with healthcare. Gov and how do you integrate tech following into the government, you know, how do you think about, like, for example, in order to fund the kinds of society we want to live in, whether it is education, healthcare, et cetera, you have to have an effective economy, how does entrepreneurship play into that, how do you create new jobs in doing that and these are all ways that i connect with the Public Discourse in ways that i never would have imagined when i was a student. I dont know whether it is because of linked in or whatever it is but you seem to uniquely among the people i know Silicon Valley have an interest in the sort of Work Environment and the work relationship, those kind o