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Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose on sunday the world watched in horror after isis militants released a video of the beheadings of 21 coptic cristians on the egyptian coast. The egyptian president elsisi said there is no choice other than a u. N. Backed coalition in libya. He sent his foreign minister to new york to insurance the International Community lives up to its responsibilities. The nuchlt security announced support and convened on libya this afternoon. Joining me is egyptian foreign minister Sameh Shoukry im pleased to have him on this program. You are here at your president s request to do what . And to get what kind of resolution . Primarily to present a draft resolution to the council that is supported by the arab group in new york to provide the necessary facilities to the legitimate government in libya to be able to counter the terrorist threat that is escalating on libyan soil to reiterate International Communitys commitment to support the libyan people and the libyan legitimate government and the fight against terror by the provisions of assistance military training and capacity building. And to right the responsibility the situation in libya was certainly a result of the vacuum but it was created after the initial military intervention by nato members. The job wasnt completed then. And i think we should be now more resolute to be able to impact this terrorist threat and its escalation. Rose obviously isis is just one of many militant groups that are in power there, in different regions of the country. How strong are they . In libya they seem to be correlating around the isis as a branding issue. And this is the danger that is now existent in the region. I think that from the inception of the International Coalition to fight isis egypt was a participant in the small meeting and then in the expanded paris meeting weve always referred to the importance of a more comprehensive approach to the threat of terrorism. Its not only isis in iraq but it is all of the terrorist organizations associated to this radical jihadi fundamentalist ideology. And they might be called boko haram or shabab or isil or sharia. Rose Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood as well. This was the original of this ideology whether the 28 or 60 would say was teaching. So definitely they all are associated to this ideology and to really defeat terrorism we have to defeat the ideology. And then the other comprehensiveness is how we deal with it. Its not only a military response but its also a political one and a cultural one. Changing the religious die lock as president sisi has called for. Rose what would that include a broad united approach . Well certainly i think to be able to manage this and eradicate this threat a broader approach is to address the threat whatever exists utilizing both military Political Economic cultural religious teachings. So that we can impact the various dimensions of the threat. Because we are speaking about a growing association to various groups in our case in sinai to shall it have declared their allegiance to isis as an organizational structure. The same as existent in the libya with organizations that have been operating there, are more inclineed to join the operational structure and become unified and exchange abilities and Exchange Training and facilities and financing. And this is increasing their impact on the region. So if we are we are consistent and we must first of all be able to deal with the threat from all of the perspectives comprehensively. And also provide for all of the components of the coalition the necessary equipment and tools to do so. In the case of the Libyan Government its been on the restriction by the Security Council which is a common occurrence that a legitimate government recognize coming into office in free and monitored elections should be somewhat handicapped to deal with the crisis an to be able to manage the security of its own people. And equating it with militias which continue to receive unlimited resources and equipment through sea channels, by those who support them without any form of restrictions. Rose there is a general consensus it seems to me in terms of people who come to this table like you that it means not only air strikes as egypt has done in libya as jordan has done but it also means troops. Boots on the ground. Where will they come from . Well, i think before we consider external boots on the ground we have to support and strengthen the boots that are currently on the ground. In the case of ire rack, the iraqi government. In the case of libya, the Libyan Government. So again its this inconsistency in dealing with the two governments who should bear the primary responsibility for fighting this threat. We should be able to enhance their capacity and increase their level of training and equipment that they use. And when they need further resources then it will be evaluated a decision could be taken of how to do that. And of course its important to do that within the context of international legitimacy. And this is what brings us to the United Nations. Rose international legitimacy. Exactly. Rose a resolution that says what . Well the resolution basically is an effort to lift the restrictions on the Libyan Government so that they can procure the necessary equipment military equipment so that they can provide security for the libyan people and address the challenge of the terrorist organizations. Also more stringent sea blockades to avoid this continuing flow of military equipment to the terrorists and militias that are operating in libya. That the militias should disband and that those who are occupying tripoli should relinquish that occupation. Rose and if they dont do it . Well again its the responsibility of the International Community to take further actions. This resolution as the previous one was under chapter 7 of the charter of the United Nations and it gives a great a broad degree of implementive measures that can be undertaken with the decisions of the Security Council. Rose what is the likelihood of getting the resolution . I would think from my consultations theres a good chance that we do get a positive vote on the resolution. It will, of course, go through the motions of consideration and further elaboration on the text. But i hope that the logic there is consistent and can stand the test. Rose but after that lets assume you get a resolution am then you have to do several things when you have to support in every way you know the Central Government in libya as well as existing government in iraq. You have to provide funds. You have to provide weapons. You have to provide training. All of that takes time. In the meanwhile isis seems to be gaining and moving and organizing and creating some stability in those regions it occupies. Thats certainly the case. But the case of libya, there is already a degree of cohesion cohesion within a military force that represents the government. And that horse has been able to withstand the constant pressures from the terrorist organizations. So definitely we need to build its capacity. But i think providing the immediate needs so that it will not be run over by the terrorists is a first step. But then we have to build their capacity and increase their ability in cooperation with the International Community so that they can meet this challenge. No country on its own will be able to defeat this threat. Rose why is that . Because of the nature. Because of these people have gained the experience and ability and agility to be able to also attract support within certain segments of the population under false grounds of religious teachings. And are able to mingle and disappear withined local community. You said false grounds of religious teachings which has become an issue in some cases here in discussions in the United States saying that this really has to be looked at not only as extremism but extremism that is given some reason from the most extreme teachings of islam. Do you accept that that they are finding motivation from their theyre twisting the teachings in any human endeavor. You can interpret especially religious texts in various manners. And there has been a tendency for these organizations to rely on the very radical interpretations. Rose getting that into several places including mosques including prison where the not only did the two in france but also in denmark they were rad catized by experiences in prison with other muslims. Well certainly if they rely on the most radical teachings and interpretations and the falsehoods of motivating towards violence that can be utilized that is the danger. And this is why the true nature of religion which is similar whether Muslim Christian or jewish or any other is basically tolerance and values that we are all committed to. So we need to expand the teachings of moderation rather than aleveing the arena free for those who tend to radicalize to work without any form of opposition. Rose is that primarily an effort that has been made within islam . Necessarily it has to be made within islam. And i think president sisi was courageous when he made his statements in the celebration to challenge the clergy to been more open to changing the religious narrative and there being more insistence on highlighting the moderation and the nature of the religion and its true dimension. Rose because he said some new interpretations you know have distorted. And are being used its a false interpretation. And we have to always stress the fact that its not a matter of different or varying opinion. But it is an intentional recourse to trying to interpret in a certain way so that it can a cleave radicalization. And and that is what has what has to be combat combatted and defeated. Because the very vast majority if not 99. 9 of muslims generally are peaceloving and normal people who have no desire to be radicals or to commit these heinous crimes. Rose but there are new recruits every day. And as you say its become a brand. And it is using social media its using intimidation. Its using terror. Its using every element. But they seem to be growing in disparate places around the world. I. Rose whats the appeal . I disenfranchisement is an issue also a sense of injustice perceived injustice. The turmoil that the region has seen. But when i spoke about comprehensiveness and i did refer to the fact that we cant only defeat it militarily but we also have to look into the political cultural and economic factors. So the longstanding political conflicts that have festered in the region whether its the palestinianisraeli conflict or the sectarian conflict and the foreign intervention into iraq and the sectarian conflict and the current efforts by regional states to expand their influence and other issues related to basically the social fabric i dont like to put too much emphasis on the economic. And people think that this is a breeding ground when there is poverty of for terrorists. And definitely it does help. But with but we have to also figure out that this is an ideaological commitment. And we have to look at the foreign fighters. A lot of them come from areas which are quite advanced in terms of Economic Development. So it is more a battle of ideas rather than the economics. Rose including the United States. Im sure. Rose but you passed the resolution lets assume. And its going to take time and they are gaining ground am but is there in terms of the psychology of the moment a sense dow find among leaders, in the middle east in the west in the United States of urgency . Youre going to a meeting with the president in washington after being at the u. N. This afternoon. Is there a heightened sense of emergency . We have to do something. We have to come together to do something and we have to do something now. I believe so. I believe so. Certainly we in the region feel the urgency because of very direct impact the killing of our citizens in libya. The hundreds of egyptians who have died in the sinai fighting. And the spread of these heinous activities in nigeria and in other parts is highlighting the importance of meeting and eradicating this threat. Also we feel that there is a growing sense of urgency in our European Partners italy is impacted by the vast illegal immigration and the potential of infiltration. Of course the incidents in paris and in denmark have highlighted that geographically europe is very close to the potential of also its infiltration by this radical ideology. Rose the organizing idea should come from the United Nations . The United Nations is a very appropriate platform. It has the representation of the International Community and if it can provide the legitimacy of International Community to activities it has proven to be always more effective. Rose if, in fact when you look at the reality of it you know you look at lib why and we hear what you are saying. And you lost 22 of your citizens who were Coptic Christians, why do you think theyre doing it . What is the virtue of what is the advantage what is the positive consequence for isil to execute 22 egyptian Coptic Christians on a beach in libya . What is the advantage for them to burn alive a jordanian pilot . What do they get out of it . Well thats the fundamental nature of terror. Is to. Rose attract attention. Attract attention and to provide a an image that is so destabilizing and so dramatic that it forces those that are opposing it into a form of submission. Rose it creates fear. It creates fear. And its, of course it is very regrettable that after these two incidents i read somewhere that the recruiting has increased. The attention towards their sites has escalated. So there are unfortunately people in this world who by whatever inconsistency in their logic are attracted to this sort of violent activity. Rose do i hear you saying today that first we need to support troops in iraq and troops in libya. That are of those nationalities . But if that fails it is incumbent on the rest of the world, especially in the region and especially for muslim countries to put their own soldiers on the ground where isis is . This is a challenge that we face in the region. And we have a role to play as does the International Community in supporting us. And being shoulder with us. We can look inwards and be isolated. But its very apparent that this threat cannot be isolated. That its spread within our country and within our region makes it imperative on us to face it and to do what is necessary to defeat it. So the Egyptian Army which is the largest army in the region is prepared to take the fight to isis if necessary . If necessary. And to the degree that it impacts the National Security of egypt. We still maintain that the doctrine of the Egyptian Army is basically to defend egyptian soul and defend the egyptian people. Rose do you have any doubt that isil is opposed to the Egyptian State and army. Not at all. And it is the efforts to infiltrate the egyptian western border have been increasing in the last month as is the escalation of the violence of in sinai who are associated with isil. So they are currently challenging both insinai and by the brotherhood within egypt the stability and the wellbeing of the egyptian people. So that puts us on a definite course to protect the egyptian people and if that threat was emanating from outside of our territory we would necessarily defend our territory but also in defending our territory support the brotherly arab countries that have that are adjacent to our borders. Rose clearly you thought the Muslim Brotherhood was a threat otherwise general sisi would not have taken the action he did and then become president correct . Of course it was felt by the egyptian people that the islamist political ideology that had come to power in the form of the government of president morsi was incapable of ruling was exclusive was determined. Rose but is that different with the Muslim Brotherhood was and what isis or isil is or dash on whatever islamic state. Different in terms of. Rose tack wick tactics. Rose tactics. Rose appeal beyond their borderness. How they are achieving their objectives. But it is a matter of utilizing the tactics that are necessary. So it can be utilizing the ballot box and then trying to removing the ladder. But it is again a matter of ideology. How they view the region and how it should develop. Rose so you are essentially calling on the u. N. And calling on impacted countries, in a sense to rally against all terrorist organizati