Peak, starring Jessica Chastain, Mia Wasikowska and tom hiddleston. To explain the super natural. The ghosts were emotions trapped in time as opposed to emblems of judeo gods demons, the idea of ghosts as presence who had something to tell us. Rose ray lewis and crimson peak when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by american express. Rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose ray lewis is here. He is among the most dominant defensive player. For 15 years he terrified the competition with the baltimore ravens. He was mvp in 2001 and played his final game as a super bowl championship in 2013. He writes about his journey through life and the nfl in this i feel like going on. I am pleased to have ray lewis at this table for the first time. Welcome. Thank you. Rose why the title i feel like going on. Im a huge fan of the movie five heart beats and when i reconnected with my father, there were times that i couldnt, i wasnt, i was not okay with hearing his excuses or hearing his voice. But my father was a great feigner. In this movie, the singer who is the lead singer of the heart beats, eddie cane, jr. , talented, talented but got into drugs, got into women, just crazily and he blew his whole career. At the end of the movie he resurrected his life, came back. And at the end of the movie he started singing the song, i feel like going, going home. And when i really started to have a relationship with my father i thought of calling him. And i said dad, i feel like going on. I just need to hear you sing it. I used to call him on the phone and just put it on speaker and just have him sing it to me. So i started writing my book, me and dan is writing my book and dan is finding out all the things ive been through and everything and dan looks up and says all the things youve bring through what makes you keep going. How do you trust people. People say bad things about you. Hes like thats your book title. Its like i feel like going on. Rose a quick story about that because he left almost the day you were born. He left the day i was born. Rose the day you were born. And you didnt see him again for 33. Im 40 years old now. Rose youre 40. And the resurrection came back because. I was going to North Carolina and my mom said, you know your dad lives there. And im like okay. Shes like do you want to meet him, do you want to see him. I was like okay. I got through doing what i was doing. Met outside this hotel. He walked up to me. He kissed me and he said do you want to take a ride with me. Okay, sure. I got into the car with him and i drove six hours. I never said one heard. Thats hard for me not to say one word. But all this time i hadnt said a word. I didnt want to say anything because i wanted to hear everything and anything he had to say. And we drove six hours to another subdivision of North Carolina. And we pulled up to this green trailer and we walked in and he says i want you to meet your grandfather for the first time. And im like, wow. And the first thing my father says to his father, why did you leave me. And im like okay, okay. Rose so his father had left him. Yeah, yeah. And so we have five generations, 20 years to the day. My son is 20. Im 40, my fathers 60, his fathers 80, my great grandfather is a hundred. Rose alive. No. Hes dead. I got on the floor and i laid on the floor like i was a kid and i started listening to the history of missing fathers. At this time i had my kids so i cant relate to what you both are talking about because i would never leave mine, ever. And its something that ive yearned for my whole life. I tell you, its something really interesting because theres something that happens in a kid that never leaves a child when they learned how to live on their own. They never recover from that emptiness. So every time i see my sons, every time i see my daughters, they know, i need a kiss, i need a hug. I need to know youre mine. Because that was the one thing as a child i never felt as a man. I never felt as a child. I never ran up and jumped in my daddys arms. Rose there was no daddy there. There was no daddy there. And so i immediately after that conversation, i immediately told him, i says you done. Is that everything you want to tell me. I forgive you. Im done. Rose i forgive you im done. Im done. Everything ive ever been hurt by im done. Rose so you say thats it. Yeah. Rose thats all you have to say. I needed to hear, i lived 33 years of my life angry at my father. Rose was that reflected on the football field. Yes. Its the only way. Rose to channel that anger. Yeah, yeah. Because it was channeled differently because he was gone but then it was channeled in a positive way because i had no other choice but to help raise my sisters and brothers and bring my mama. Rose is your mama a hero here. She is my hero, the ultimate hero. No one has to convince me of the sacrifice a mother makes. And i lived it and thats why i became my mothers best friend as a kid. Rose you were her son and her best friend and also the kind of father to the other. Yes, a father. I walked my sisters down the aisle to get married, not their fathers. You see. And thats, in my five, i have Four Brothers and sisters, three other sisters and one bigger brother. Im the oldest at 40. And my mother would come in the house at ten years old she grabbed me and she said i dont have time for you to be a child. I need you to be a man. Im going to teach you how to cook, im going to teach you how to clean im going to teach you how to fold, how to braid and cut hair. Everything. There wont be nothing you cant do. Rose so you learned them. Every last one of them. My mom would come home seven or eight years two hours a day. Two hours a day pretty much like 2 00 to 4 00 pm. Her feet would be so sore. She had three jobs. I would get up, make sure i was there, my brothers and sisters would be in the bed and i would sit up a bucket of epsom salt. A few hours later she went out the door. I would get my brothers and sisters and then go four miles to my bus stop. Rose this is a great story about you. Its how a man is made in this case. Yeah. Rose it also is a very positive story about you. Is there a negative part of this story. Yes. The only negative is the odds arent with you when daddy leaves. You, the story i get, countless stories i get right now about kids. Rose because the street can become your friend because theres no place to be at home. No place. And so you wonder why so many young kids are going towards gangs. Because they want to feel loved, they want to be a part of something. Absolutely. And so every kid doesnt reverse it. You know its funny like so i think the thing that really changed my mentality even when i was older like 24 to transition into like atlanta what happened, is because i was so devastated because ive never in my life been the one. I cringe when i hear the horrific murders that people do to people. My mothers brand. I know the child she raised. My mothers brand. Rose custody. I bet you thought about that during that. How many hours. Im okay. Im always good. Rose but you worried about her. So when people, when you start hearing all the ugly things that people say and im saying, im okay. But my mom would call me sometimes praying, she would always say dont worry, im mama. I would say look, let me deal with all of that. Let me deal with all the hate and all that stuff. Im good. You just know that what you raised, you stand by what you raised. And my mom, in movies, curses, i still dont curse. I dont respect my mama. Its a sudden thing that if i do get frustrated at times, i get frustrated because people never judge me of me they judge me of incident. You can write what you want to write, you can say what you want to say about someone and the truth doesnt have to be said. Rose what happened in atlanta. Yeah. Rose what happened. Well, a bad night of getting, coming from a party and i called it chaos, something that you can never control. And thats why i think you see it at a much higher rate now of violence is that i was raised so old school. This is why it doesnt add up with me. Because i was raised so old school. If you had a dispute with somebody, a real dispute, circle up, knuckle it up and both of you all go home. If you want to fight him the next day fight him the next tee. Rose but not tonight. Not tonight. And definitely not freaking kill nobody, right. So when that labeled of what happened to atlanta. And think i think, most of this, a lot of this is in the book. The biggest thing that really bothered me about atlanta is i live through that story every second of my life. That never made me mad. Because someone failed to do their job on one side and to have family hate me toward something i didnt do. I would never compare myself to jesus but i do understand when he says you got to be capable of worldly persecutions, youve got to be okay with mental people who want to crucify and destroy your name. So that part to me is what people dont understand the human side of who i am when i said that my smile represents my past and my heart represents my future. Thats because i think i, the thing that people say to me do you know what, you dont know. I can take care of myself. And thats where i think mom, the brand of who my mother is, is why my moms my hero. Rose is there any better linebacker who ever played the game than ray lewis. I would love to hear a bunch of people that i played against. Rose quarterback. Runningback. Quarterback is all kinds. You couldnt get to them often. Rose just protecting them. They i started playing the game honestly to be remembered on thanksgiving. To be remembered on christmases. Because i was the one. We use sit around the table and in 1985 and the early early San Francisco days and im listening to my uncle say boy that ronnie lott is something else. And they talk about this and im like man theres that great that you sit around a dinner table. Rose thats what you wanted to do. You wanted that to be the subject of the thanksgiving dinner. Absolutely. I want to walk up and say uncle, how does it feel to get hit by ray. And he tell me the truth. It hurt. Rose it hurt him. I as yount playing no more. I wasnt playing no more, i was playing to be rose when did that happen . Early on . Yes. Rose the question i raise did anybody play the game better. Some might say well Laurence Taylor was up there. Hes my hero now as far as linebackers. I have a crew of linebackers that i kind of studied. Rose is sam hoff one of them. Yes, Laurence Taylor. Mike single, right. Youre talking about the way they played the freaking game. My favorite became the late june and im watching that. Rose but some say linebackers are the most gifted athlete on the field because you have to be fast starts, what linebacker in the league resembles me and i say i wouldnt give nobody that injustice because a linebacker is feared. When you turn on him, watch him today theres no linebacker feared, theres no coordinator that does not draw a place. I had a rule, you can throw it outside, you can do anything you one to do but if you come between third with 52, somethings going to pay for that and somethings going to pay heavily. Rose what did you make them pay. Oh man. When you physically take your body and make up your mind that youre going to run full speed and dont think but to know theres an object, that youre going to engage yourself, launch yourself into. And the outcome is either you give or he gives. And im not giving. And thats why every time i was hitting people, i wanted to run through them. Rose and they wanted to run around you. They wanted to get away from me. And a bunch of people there tell you man, i started playing the game, you know, at a certain time. I was like look, dont touch me. This is pure war. Theres nothing friendly about. Rose lets get this straight. You are not my friend. No. Rose im going to take your hat off if you come my way. Even in rose but this is a warrior mentality thats necessary certainly to be good and especially to be a leader. To be a warrior. The only way you will really be a member seriously is by work, the people youre competing against. Rose and they would talk about you at thanksgiving. Yeah. Rose you regret any hit. No. Rose did you hurt anybody . Yeah. Rose are there people who may have had too many licks from people like ray lewis. I dont know. But i do know that this is a very physical and brutal rose are you concerned about concussion. Me personally, no. Rose youre not. No. Rose are you concerned about it for the game, for the reputation of the game. I think what i am concerned about, i think what i am concerned about is theyre taking the game and theyre diluting the game because they want to protect their claims. But if you leave the game alone, like always, the game will take care of itself. Rose how will it take care. Youre asking one of the biggest things right now thats disgusting to me, disgusting in College Football is that theyre now, theyve created a term thats called targeting. Saying if a player launches his head whi is the first thing on your body, its what you lead with, you launch your head into someone and you collide with their helmet, and theyre kicking babies out of games. But a referee making a mistake is never a punch. What is the lesson that was being taught. That if you make a mistake for the rules you got to make, dont make rules. Thats why weve got helmets and dispatch. Because if i make it to the side im putting myself in jeopardy of being hurt. Its too much man that you have to, you got these people sitting at the top of these food chain. And the reason why they really dont care is because the hurt is so great, the hurt of athletes is so great they dont care, they go to the next one and on to the next one. The effect of rose doesnt care about the family. If it really did, if it really did, we wouldnt be the only ones that you take away from. Were the only ones going to last, were the only ones thats found. Rose let me just go back. You must be concerned for a game if they found out that theyre not doing all they can to prevent concussions. You could say the thing about boxing. You get hit so many times in the brain. Its what youre training. Its what i told my son. Rose this is the bargain you made. If you participate in this sport and you take too many licks to the head. These are the odds. These are the facts. Rose dont worry about the people that get hurt because thats the decision they made. You want them to maximize their concern for the players safety. Not on our dollar. Rose okay. Dont tell me so if im a coordinator, a coordinator says thats the way you hit him. Thats the way you jar them. What the league says thats fine, thats a penalty, thats 40,000. Rose what would you do not to have regulations if in fact players violate regulations. Listen. Regulations is i think some totally different than an act in the game. Im talking about an act in the game. So when you get into all of those other things you talk about rules here rules there, who it benefits. Rose right. And you know, you talk about a linebacker and everything is different for us than the quarterback. The quarterback you go towards the quarterback, they throw it. But 300 pound line man running at you and dives in our knees. And do you know, look at that block, thats a great block, you went to my knee. You but if you do that to a quarterback, oh hes dirty. Rose they protect the quarterback because they are the drawing card. Its a quarterback game. Rose its a quarterback game. Its been declared that years ago and now its even more relevant. I just think every man stands on his legs one at a time. Every man has a family and every man goes home. Rose what youre saying in the end, what youre saying is we should be protected and call the flag on somebody intending to hurt us as much as you call the flag on somebody intending to a punt receiver or a quarterback. Whats the difference . Were all men. Rose at the same time my point is you want protection. Absolutely. Rose you want protection. Yes. Rose you want protection against illegal hits. You want protection against people who are intending to end your career or your participation in the game. We know the nfl, whether they made the right decision or not basically said well suspend a coach or a team if you find they had an organized effort to do that. A lot of people should have been suspended by now. Rose what are you saying. Thats the only way you play the game. Thats what im saying. Were making this sport, we made this sport for one thing, competition. Take Everything Else out of it. Pure competition. Dont tell me that i cant do certain things to win against this guy. Dont tell me that. The history has shown the greatest gladiators are the nastiest. Rose the ones we honor the most is the ones that what. Play the nastiest. Rose you say not only was i the meanest i was the nastiest and they can say we cant mess with ray lewis because hes nasty, hes mean and he wants to take me out of the game. And the next player who is watching that and the next one. Rose i dont want that to happen. Guess what hes saying, i aint running that route. Rose im more worried about hitting than making a play. Yeah. The reason i love the National Football league is because it brands you for what every day life cant. Rose you know some people have had, i can pick people, nobody comes to mind but did anybody ever approach you about being able to have some kind of movie career because of your reputation as being the way you just described yourself. Yes. Still have. I think time is important. It will come. As much as i like rocky, thats acting. You know. This aint. You know. And so, ive had a conversation with many warriors and when you hear what it was about, you realize youre no different. That you do have people just like you. Rose someone told me you watched the gladiator 50 times. I watched it a hundred times. Rose a hundred times. Because . At the moment, 2000, when that chapter of my life happened atlanta, that movie came out. And i saw a man accused, falsely accused. I saw a man stripped from his family and i saw a man go from general to slave. And i took every part of my life at that moment and im in it and i watched that movie and out of the hundred times watching it, it wasnt rolling tears but my eyes teared every time at the arena. He says what must i do, im a slave. He said win the crowd, youll win your freedom. Rose youll win the crowd by. Doing something that most dont do. Rose have you done what most men dont dare to do. Theres probably 200 some of them in yellow jackets. And thats why. Rose in canton, ohio. Thats why theyre there because they dared to do something other people wouldnt to. Rose it seems to me what youre talking about in part is being the best. Thats part of it. Youre also talking about earning a reputation as the meanest put a hurt on you bad guy on the field. My position is to be a linebacker. Thats what its de