New yorker. I found that there is Something Special about the way that these cartoonist minds work that help them see the world in a different way and helps us as lovers of the cartoons see the world in a different way, and the only place they can publish their work is the new yorker. We continue with a conversation with Gloria Steinem, her new book is called my life on the road. The systems in which we call them patriarchal or whatever in which reproduction must be controlled and often doubly controlled in order to maintain racial separation or to maintain a particular religion, they control the body, they must control the bodies of women, and that means that, in our earliest years, we see a system in which it is assumed that one group is born to dominate the other, and often this involves, since its hard to dominate another adult, it often involves violence and it normalizes violence in other cases. It is the root cause of violence. Weve always known this in smaller, older societies that the more polarized the gender roles, the more violent the society. Rose San Bernardino, the cartoons of the new yorker and Gloria Steinem, when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose there are growing links to this weeks mass shooting in San Bernardino. Sayed farook was in communication with people in United States and abroad who have links of terrorism. His wife supposedly pledged allegiance to i. S. I. S. Leader on facebook prior to the attacks. Searchers at the suspects home included bombmaking equipment, a dozen pipe bombs and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Joining me from Santa Barbara is esmee deprez of bloomberg news. Thank you for doing this. Let me me begin with what we know thats new. Update us on what has happened in the last 18 hours. So the big news this morning is that Facebook Posting in which tashfeen malik, thats the young mother thats part of the couple of attackers, she apparently pledged allegiance toll i. S. I. S. In the Facebook Post, as you mentioned. Thats important because it jars a distinction that this could be i. S. I. S. Inspired. Federal officials are not saying whether this was i. S. I. S. Directed and thats a distinction here, but they are concerned about the threat of homegrown terrorism and thats the concern with this Facebook Post and what it tells us. The couple deleted some of their Online Presence before carrying out the attack and that would indicate this was, again, premeditated. We talked a lot in the past about how others things noted this was premeditated. The big arsenal and cache of weapons they had at their home. Officials are still probing into that. Rose some people are asking the question did they have a series of attacks they wanted to make and that something happened at the party and, therefore, they decided to pursue that and later go on to do other attacks . Whats the thinking about their planning . Thats still, i think, an open question here. They certainly had enough ammunition and weapons to carry out multiple attacks and, you know, to have the mass atrocities of the shooting be much worse had they been able to continue carrying them out. Thats the fear here. We still dont know whether they were planning, whether that holiday party, perhaps the dispute was kind to have the Tipping Point kind of the Tipping Point for the shooting. Woe just dont know yet. Do we know whether he was radicalized in part by his wife but certainly when he went to saudi arabia . He went to saudi arabia to pick her up after they met on an Online Dating site and came back and they lived here in Southern California and thats where he tbriew up as well. We do know the f. B. I. Didnt have him on any kind of terror watch list. They didnt have a record of him. They hadnt interviewed him. We do know he was in contact, we believe, with people who were on that list, so whether that means you know, its still too hard to draw too many conclusions from what that means, but he may have been in contact with these people that the f. B. I. Did know about and thats, again, the concern about homegrown terrorism. I. S. I. S. Has been recently focused on having people you know, having american recruits carry out attacks in their place where theyre living, america, instead of traveling to syria to become radicalized and joining the fight over there. So this threat of i. S. I. S. Directed attacks at home, i think the fear is growing with every bit of new information we learned today. Rose what exactly did she say on facebook . I dont think that theyve actually released the actual Facebook Post. I have not seen texts from that Facebook Post. It was deleted. Thats why the media didnt have its hands on it before now. The couple had deleted their Online Presence in the days leading up to the attack. So somehow the f. B. I. Was able to uncover this pledge, but i actually dont have the actual wording. I dont know that anybody does at this point publicly. Rose have authorities released any information about anyone who may have noticed their growing radicalization . Not that i am aware of. We did hear from the leader of mosque where mr. Farook was a member. Hes granted interviews to the media since we last spoke, talked about, you know, mr. Farook was a quiet man, didnt really make a lot of noise. He was extremely devoted to his faith. He did go to the mosque two times a day, usually every day, he said, so were learning more about that. Were also learning about mr. Farooks childhood. He was born in illinois, grew up in Southern California. His father was known to be prone to alcohol abuse and physical abuse. Were learning more about the childhood. Rose what do we know about when they took their child to the their mother, the grandmother of the child . We dont know more about that. The police chief in San Bernardino didnt know where the child was at the moment. The family is cooperating with law enforcement. They did retain a lawyer as well. So, you know, i would think they would be hearing perhaps more from them soon. But we dont actually know where that child is right now, just it got dropped off with its grandmother and perhaps still with her. Rose esmee deprez, thank you so much. Thanks, charlie. Rose esmee deprez of bloomberg news. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose cartoons make the strange familiar or the familiar strange sew says new yorker cartoon editor bob mankoff in a new documentary called very semiserious. It takes a look at the magazines cartoon department. The guardian called it insightful and very funny. Heres the trailer for very semiserious. The new yorker isnt the bedrock, its the evert. People want the truth. This is a grain of truth. Ive opened this up. All you have to do is call and say you want to see my cartoon. How are you . Fine. I think his brain works in a different way. You see connections other people dont see. A lot of the jokes you get in are sort of lampooning the sort of person who reads the new yorker. Its a society that takes itself very seriously so its begging nofor it. I like the idea but not this idea particularly. When you see it, its wow rose joining me is director and roader leah wolchok along with the stars of the documentary, new york cartoon editor bob mankoff, new yorker editor David Remnick and new yorker cartoonist emily flake. Pleased to have them here. Do you like the movie . I love it leah did a fantastic job. She started showing up at our office with funding from kickstarter. Rose you raised the money yourself . I thought, student production, but what the hell, lets be nice. Azing, touching, hilariousis film. Its the damnest thing. Rose how did you do it . It took a long time to do it, actually. I showed up at bobs office about nine years ago and said, hey, bob, i just graduated from film school. I want to make a film about the new yorker cartoon department. And he was like rose no. Rose he said, i have been waiting for you. Come back in nine years. Hello, makeup . laughter rose so what did he say . He said, who are you . Who do you think you are to just waltz in here fresh out of film school and make a film about the new yorker magazine and our cartoon department. Do you know who we are . I said, yes, and im not gonna leah was interested in the caption contest and that was her entreee and the new yorker was a little more than the caption contest. It took that time because over those years i think leah got to know new yorker, the new yorker cartoonists just as well as about anybody. And the cast of characters is amazing. Reporter made for a documentary. Yeah, all these different creative spirits and intelligences and radically different personalities. Rose and looks. Oh, my gosh. Well, were not lookists here at the new yorker. laughter and, you know, emily is spectacular and there are young and old cartoonists there, too, the senior generation that have been around for a while, and then this younger cast which bob and i have been working really hard to bring emily in, because its a hard thing to rotate whos there you only get 15, 20 shots a week at cartoons, and everybody wants to be in every week, naturally. Its a tough way to make a living. The cast of new and young cartoonists, some have been around for a while and i cant believe some just waltzed in. Its astonishing. To see it in the film, some of these people, i barely know, i barely see them. Great to see you. laughter rose did you have to go to his office and say, guess what . They want to make a movie about us . In different ways and languages. laughter well, the new yorker opened up over time to a lot of these things that maybe at one time really it would have been closed to. I think we had an interesting story to tell which i think its the only place that does humor that has an intergenerational range or people who are in their 80s, like george and sam, and people in their 20s, and people in every single decade. So in terms of that type of diversity, its really unusual, and i think it speaks to a really quite large constituency. Rose what story did you want to tell . Well, that was part of the problem, because there were so many stories that i could tell. I mean, heres the thing it doesnt have an inherent plot. Im telling the story about an institution. So am i focusing on the history of the cartoons, the personalities of the cartoonists . But once i started meeting the cartoonists, i realized i wanted to tell the story of how this art form persisted throughout the generations and how there could be 20yearolds in this day and age still want to cartoon for a magazine thats been around since 1925. Rose and what did you find . I found there is Something Special about the way these cartoonists minds work that help them see the world in a different way and help us as lovers of the cartoons see the world in a different way, and the only place left that they can publish their work is the new yorker. Thats the tough thing. The tough thing is that, 75 years ago, there were a whole lot of magazines in america that published tar cartoons. Somebody like emily, if x piece was rejected in the saturday sy evening post, she would take it to some magazine or another and you would be able to make your way more easily. There is a real responsibility to this form that we value so much and with really very rare exceptions the only place to go. There are political cartoons in newspapers and web sites of a certain kind, but this kind of form, this particular form, its really the new yorker. Rose does it include the cover . The cover is a different operation, and its a different their language is not involved. Here, the explosive thing is the combination of the language and the drawing on the cover where francois is the editor. George covers any number of cartoons. There you dont have a caption. So its an entirely different there is something so touching in the film where i think matt is talking about all different kind of artists. If youre a rock musician, you need a 5,000 telecaster, amps and all this apparatus. For this, you need a pencil and maybe a piece of paper. Just a hard surface. You work essentially with a sensual, piece of paper. Yeah. Im working with stone and a chisel. Rose why did you want to be a cartoonist . You know, honestly, when i was 5, my father brought home books of edward gory and gang wilson and i remember looking closely at that and saying whatever this is, i want this. They didnt take the new yorker but they brought home books every now and again and, yeah, it was sort of engrained in me. Rose from 5 on, you wanted to be a cartoonist . Yeah, i had my path laid out for me. The long road laughter rose but fun. Yeah. Er. W have a cartoonist benschwar to be a cartoonist. Rose four years of medical school, two years as an internist, four or five years as a resident. And made the right decision. Happy. Rose we have worked very hard on this. The first clip is david talking about the origins of cartoons at the new yorker. The the new yorker began as a comic weekly. The cartoons or the drawings, theyre called, that was right there from the very first issue in february of 1925. So, on one hand, it was originally art in the magazine. There were no photographs in this magazine with some tiny exceptions, until the early 90s. I knew they were to provide delight, they were to provide the spirit of the magazine. Rose is this a solitaire decision as to what goes in the magazine . Do you look at the magazine and say i have 15 slots, show me your best 30 and ill pick them up . Bob will say yes but the answer is no. laughter emily and a lot of other cartoonists will typically send in five, ten or more of whats called rough drawings, and they send them in any which way, email, fax, however theyre sending them, envelope, and bob and his assistant cull through these runs of roughs and bring it down to, i dont know, 50some weeks, maybe a little bit more, and then we meet mid week, typically on a wednesday, and we get about 15. We want to get a sense to make sure were getting enough diverse topics, that were getting a lot of voices in, do we have too many of so and so, have we not had enough of so and so. There are a lot of considerations going on and, at the same time, we want to make sure that whats in the new yorker in the future that isnt there now happens. You know, we have a lot of everybody writing for the new yorker. Cartoonists are a very small bunch of people, and we need to make the group more diverse, and bob has a program emily teaches at the school of visual arts to do so. Thats very important. Thats obviously not the subjects of the typical weekly meeting but its something we think about because we want to widen the range of voices in the magazine and cartooning just as weve done on the cover and in fiction and nonfiction. Rose cartoons can do what other forms of media cant do . Well, whatever they do, they do really quickly, okay . When you look at a cartoon, nobody says, hey, im going to get back to this. Like an article. Dont pile up on somebodys night stand. It immediately makes the point and brings together, you know, these different frames of references. It can deal with all sorts of things. After 9 11, it was able to deal with that, after a weeks break. Everyone said, irony is dead and were not going to laugh anymore. The cartoon was a woman who looked at a guy with a garish jacket and said, i thought id never laugh again till i saw that jacket. So they were saying well laugh again. Theyre not standing up and shouting, theyre a unique form. When people talk about it in the film, you need a certain mind to make it happen and make it happen ten to fifteen times a week for us to select from. Rose this is you talking at an openpitch meeting for cartoon submissions. Hey, bob, how are you . Ow are you . Good, how are you . This is the picasso joke. My eyes are over here. I lost so much weight i have him for summer interns. Great. Sumos. Giant smores with diapers on. So crazy. Is this a cat . Its a cat in a suit. A cat in a suit. laughter rose so when you set out, did you know you would find so much humor, so much fun, some people seem to have a very good time . That i knew right away because as soon as i went to the new Yorker Festival and saw the cartoonist and they had so much fun together, i knew that. What i was surprised about was how they use humor to cope with whats going on in their lives and around the world. Rose cartoonists or the readers . Cartoonists and we all do that, too but thats what i ended up making the film about, really, is about the way that we use humor to cope and a product assessment . Yeah emily talks about that. Why do you become a cartoonest unless you see the world differently and why do you see it differently if maybe early on it treated you differently. Rose this is right on point. Roll this clip. I would have teased me, too, if i had been in a position to do such a thing. I think getting teased as a kid is almost a prerequisite for becoming a cartoonist. You have to have a reason to look at the world differently because if you dont, theres no reason theres no reason to do it unless youre forced into it. I think you need that kind of struggle. I mean, there is also this story of you, leah, the idea that youre right out of film school, and you go make a film. And to go to the funding that you went to and the confidence that you must have had for you to do this. Get out of film school and look for a job where they can learn the craft. I have a job, too. When youre an independent film documentary maker you are doing so many things and pursuing your passion project on the side. Rose this is your passion project. This is my passion projects. The idea sells itself because who doesnt want to see a documentary. Rose you said lets make it so you didnt have to go to kick start . I dont know, maybe. laughter rose what was the toughest part for you . The toughest part of making the movie, i think, was how much my life changed as i was making the movie because it took so long in the chapter of my life. I had two kids over the course of making the film, so i think learning really learning to stay present as mom and be a filmmaker. I was working on the film after i went to bed at night, in between there are nannies and schools and the most challenging part was to try to incorporate my life and be