Solutions for lifethreatening diseases . It involves the building of specific Disease Research organizations, the strengthening and training of those groups. It involves a lot of education and to congress, government. It involves convening of our leaders to solve a problem and try to get if youre going to look at a problem, lets get academics there. Lets get disease groups there. Lets get pharmaceutical companies, bio. Rose we conclude with matthew heineman, director of a muchtalkedabout documentary called cartel land. Its part of the unfortunate tale of what i experienced, at least, is what it originally was was t the goal was to get rid of the cartel and created a power vacuum and someone needed to fill it. Unfortunately, we see by the end of the film the cycle just repeat itself. Rose politics, medicine and drug cartels in mexico when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by funding for charlie rose is provided by the following. Rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin tonight with politics. Last nights iowa caucus raised new questions about the president ial race for both republicans and the democrats. Senator ted cruz took first place beating out donald trump. Tonight is a victory for the grassroots. cheers and applause tonight is a victory for courageous conservatives across iowa and all across this great nation. We will go on to get the republican nomination, and we will go on to easily beat hillary or bernie or whoever the hell they throw up there cheers and applause iowa, we love you, we thank you youre special we will be back many, many times. In fact, i think i might come here and buy a farm. I love it. Rose finishing in third place, a surprising strong finish was senator marco rubio. Many Establishment Republicans hope he can consolidate the partys support. On the democratic side senator sanders fared surprisingly well against Hillary Clinton. She won by a narrow margin of. 3 . It is rare that we have the opportunity we do now to have a real contest of ideas, to really think hard about what the Democratic Party stands for and what we want the future of our country to look like if we do our part to build it. I am a progressive who gets things done for people rose joining me in new york is matthew dowd, chief political analyst at abc news, frank bruni a columnist at the nierms. From chicago David Axelrod a senior political commentator at cnn. And from washington the editor of politico susan glasser. I am pleased to have all of them back on this program. David let me start with the democrats because this was a surprisingly close race. What does it say about Hillary Clinton, sander Bernie Sanders, New Hampshire and the rest of the season. Nothing good ever happens to hillary in iowa. They poured themselves into it in iowa and she ground out her vote through organization. Bernie sanders inspired a lot of people to come out. It was sort of perspiration versus inspiration. He beat her 6 to 1 among young people. This is a cautionary note for her. This is exactly what happened to her with barack obama in 2008. He did well among working class votervoters in eastern iowa whih should be a sogsnary note for her as well as they move into other states. I dont think the wind changed fundamentally, the dynamic. One other thing i should mention is he did well among independent voters who can opt into the caucus. He did very, very well with them. Its one of the reasons why New Hampshire is so promising for Bernie Sanders where independent voters can choose whichever primary they want to participate in and he is doing very well there. But ultimately h he still has to solve the question as to whether he can make inroads with minority voters, of which there are very few in iowa and New Hampshire, and that test will come in nevada. Rose and South Carolina. And South Carolina. Rose and what does he have to do to make inroads into minority voters . Obviously its not its hard, charlie, because he doesnt have the history of relationships. He does have a story to tell. Interestingly, he rarely tells it, about his early years. Here at the university of chicago he led the first sit inn over the separation of black and white students and Student Housing and he was at the king march in washington but he rarely talks about himself. Its an interesting distinction between them, though, and i think it goes to another vulnerability potentially for senator clinton. Bernie sanders talks about what he wants to do and challenging ini quality. Hillary clinton talks a lot about her own experience. Thats a big advantage for her. But it necessitates she talks about herself, and when you ask voters like yesterday among voters who believe they want a candidate who cares about people like them, Bernie Sanders beat her three to one because i think he projects a sense that hes intensely involved with peoplez on the ground game, we knew he had a deep penetration within the evangelical movement, but marco rubio. Well, i think the Big Development that came out of iowa is it was Donald Trumps opportunity. Its now wide open. Rose is he wounded . Hes wounded but he has to recover very quickly. He has to win New Hampshire if he loses New Hampshire, it will be a twoweekend movie that gets canceled because he doesnt get any draw. Marco rubio is because of his rise in the last week consolidating the establishment in the course of this. But i think each one of those te has a path to the nomination but each one is a problematic struggle to the nomination. Donald trump has to win New Hampshire. He has to get a victory and get off the map quickly. Marco rubio cant finish in seconds and thirds and become the dominant candidate. Ted cruz has to figure out. He won, props to him in iowa, but he has to win in a lot of places without a lot of evangelicals and where the turnout is the masses and not the caucus. Rose where is the best state for marco rubio to win and where can ted cruz find a state that doesnt have a lot of evangelicals. Marco rubio has to finish second in New Hampshire, hope donald trump doesnt run away and hope ted cruz is very competitive in South Carolina with donald trump or beats donald trump in South Carolina. One of the first states he can win in his march 1. Any number of states but he has to hope its broken up between donald trump and trrkz. Rose susan, should we expect kasich and christie and bush to gang up on marco rubio in New Hampshire . I think thats already happening today. Those guys read the results and saw rubio as the only guy who could interfere with them continuing in the race. We have a story that all three are already ganging up on him in New Hampshire. I think this issue of how does rubio keep going all the way to march 1 without ever having successfully won a primary caucus is going to be a real question as we kick the tires on is this a rubio surge or a rubio media surge. Rose what surprised you about last night . I think rubios surprised me. Rose more than yeah, and i think there is no overstating what a strong night it was for him. You have to remember, for months, people have been saying marco rubio is the one to watch and going to merge and no numbers to back it up. Rose he went up and slid back. A new narrative of great doubt about rubio is developing. So i think he had a lot riding on last night. I think his people were good about not portraying it that way. He was only a point behind donald trump. Compare the degree of Media Attention the two of them got. Compare how assaulted rubio was for weeks by his ads from rivals. Part of the problem donald trump has is he didnt manage connecttations well. If you told any of us he would get 45,000 votes in the iowa caucus, you would have said thats unbelievable, and that he was ahead in New Hampshire and y other state you would have said wow. That was the dominant character. When he said he was going to win everywhere and as soon as he didnt, its problematic. Rose and people worried about the fact h he said he wasa winner, winner, and he didnt. He said the polls show im going to win. It wasnt even a runup. On the day itself. He didnt seem connected with what was actuallygn happening on the ground. Rose he said if i dont win, this has been a big waste of my time and i spent a lot of money. Well, thats probably accurate. Probably true. Just to cross over the line a second here, i think he got involved into a fight in ihe wasnt going to win. Iowa is an organization intensive state. 63 of the voters yesterday described themselves as evangelicals and it was a mistake for him to invest himself and raise expectations in iowa. The real question for donald trump who just recites his poll numbers reverentially wherever he goes, its how he starts his speeches, if he starts to lose, how long does he have an appetite to stay in this race . I dont think he has a very viracious appetite for that. Its not just the image hes trying to project, his own self image is that hes a winner. Well, hes not a winner today. Rose dave, youve run big campaigns, obviously. Was cruzs campaign a very smart, very well executed, very thoughtout Political Campaign . Without question. I think hes the most strategic of all candidates. I have to give marco rubio credit because i think hes done a good job as well in sort of gaming the system and not being and being everyones second choice, and thats beginning to work for him. But ted cruz has been very strategic from ther he knew he had to win iowa. He invested heavily in it. He planted his father whos a preacher in iowa going from town to town. He plugged into the evangelical network there and organized in a predigis way using techniques the Obama Campaign pioneered in 2008 and perfected in 2012, so hes combined a very shrewd strategy with the technology of modern politics. Now the question is where does he take the show. I think he has an opportunity in New Hampshire because you will have a pile up in the establishment lane, in the moderate lane, and hes going to be the only guy whos really fundamentally focused on conservative voters and although theyre not a majority in that primary, the sort of voter hes accustomed to, he can do better than people anticipate in New Hampshire and move on to South Carolina where i think hes going to go for a win. Rose but is his campaign a movement . He really speaks to it every turn you know, conservatives, and we dont want to be denied again. I think there is a real ceiling to ted cruzs support. Remember, we started this whole season with jeb bush saying you have to be willing to lose the primary to win the general . Ted cruz is doing the opposite. He moved as far right as he can go. Rose in his campaign or political career . In his campaign now for sure. I followed him in iowa a bit. It was like going to biblical revivals. God, god, god. This is the almost exactly same campaign he ran before. He appealed to the most conservative voters, the evangelicals, do it in a systematic way, surprise people, hes doing it almost the same way. I was surprised the most about ted cruz and i agree hes the most strategic of the candidates that he didnt give a speech last night that was a broader look, that was more expansive. He did the contact same message, very religious, conservative, and it wasnt expansive at all. It was this is who i am and im going to fight it out on this turf no matter what. Rose david . The Republican Base is fund mentally aggravated that, you know, against people in washington who they believe compromised with the president , who are part of the process and ted cruz has stood in opposition to them, very selfconsciously, i think obnoxiously at times, but that plays in the race. I wonder in the runup to iowa whether all this talk about how the establishment was worried about ted cruz and the establishment wanted to stop ted cruz in iowa wasnt working to his benefit in some way, and i think hes going to continue to cultivate that very aggrieved Republican Base for as long as he can. Rose are the positions that candidates have par tick lated on all National Issues it from much set now . They cant change as hillary did, on, for example, the t. P. P. Or keystone . I dont know, hillary has shown as ability to change just when you think she cant. But i think were ignoring her in terms of shes the other big story of the night. Yes, iowa was in some ways friendly terrain for Bernie Sanders, but its been said a million times and cant be said often enough, Bernie Sanders is a 74yearold selfproclaimed socialist little known outside of new england until six months ago and the former first lady, secretary of state, senator from new york, one ofo the most iconic women in america. Rose the niesms said one of the most experienced persons to runoffs. This was a very bad night for her because she comes out looking weak. Shes going to get the democratic nomination, but what does this say about the capt. The democrats are sending into the general election. Rose susan . Her speech was going to be known as the breathing the sigh of relief speech, and that is not exactly a positive message of sort of change and accomplishment. I am struck by the fact that both parties do seem to be in an antimode and that competes against our very cherished notion that the person who wins the general election isles the person who is for something and rose and optimistic and aspirational. Remember that, david . Yes, i do. I think thats important. You listen to Bernie Sanders last night and whether you agree with him or not, he gave an inspirational speech. You wouldnt say the speech that Hillary Clinton gave last night was an inspirational speech and this is what her candidacy lacks and she has to find a way to translate this experience into something that means something to people in their own lives and isnt just rae flexion of her life and thats the thing she hasnt yet figured out. Rose the question for all of you is why not . At her right hand is everybodys judgment as one of the shrewdest politicians of the late 20t 20th century. People like david and matthew have taught me well that the greatest truism of politics is elections are about the future, and every time i listen to her, everything about her Campaign Still says to me the past. Im going to be the continuation of obamas unfinished business. I was at a Campaign Event in iowa which was a highlights of her life. The symbiotics of her campaign do not say im creating a new future for you. Its saying i have a past that makes this Office Something i deserve. One of the Key Attributes in Politics Today that everybody is hungry for is a sense of authenticity and being genuine. Bernie sanders conveys a great sense of authenticity and being genuine, barack obama did. Rose he has a message of creating a political revolution. There is this ruffled guy, its who he is. There is a barrier voters dont feel like they can get through with Hillary Clinton. Whatever reason that is, it exists. She has a filter through which she seems to speak and words come out that sound very political and very calculated and i think there is no doubt that those young people have gravitated to bernie not just because of what hes saying and what he is advocating but because they believe that he believes it and that hes real and she seems to be looking for the political language all the time. But do i think in the final weeks of iowa she began to do what she hasnt done in the past which is fully embrace who she is and who she is an institutionalist. Who she is a tenacious sort of three yards and a ground of dust, cloud of dust person, and she has to take that and stick with it, but explain how that pays off for people and megan franks talked about i did this and that. When we were running the Obama Campaign, the slogan was yes we can, not yes i can. People want to believe theyre part of a project larger than themselves that has to do with the future. She needs to project some of that. Rose do you think she can . Its striking how were having this circular conversation. David, we were having this conversation back in 2008. Although i am struck by the fact that remember when hillary announced in 20 is a that this time around 2015 that this time around she was trying to be herself more and she gave a long, bore, policy wonky speech she had written herself and we didnt like it and said if thats her true self we werent interested in it. Davids point is an important one in that Hillary Clinton is authentic in that shes a steward of a process, a good student who want to show up and get it right and get it done and thats not as exciting as it is to have even a 74yearold guy stand up to a bunch of College Students and say the revolution has begun. I dont think there is a lot of americans who really want a revolution, but. Rose i think she may become president of the United States. Shes a weak general election