The first real societal and cultural progress after the civil war happens in baseball and baseball has sometimes not lead but followed but retiring his number it speaks volumes how jackie was. He said a life is measured by the difference it makes in other peoples lives and he lives that creedo and thats an amazing testament. Rose Bernie Sanders, adam schiff and ken burns when we continue. Funding is provided by the following rose were joined by senator Bernie Sanders of vermont. Welcome. My pleasure. Rose lets talk with the call fictions you said she doesnt qualify because she takes super pac money. The washington headline west clinton questions whether sanders is qualified to be president. I felt its appropriate to respond. Rose is it tit for tat . No, it should not be ive tried to run an Issue Campaign not just attacking each other every day but if we are getting attacked every single day by the Clinton Campaign i want them to know were going to respond in kind. Rose do you believe secretary clinton is qualified to be president. Does she believe i am not qualified. Rose she has a firstrate resume of a life in public service. Shes one of the most qualified people. She has years of experience and extremely intelligent. Rose what should she say . I have some experience and a good record in congress and mayor and think im qualified so to answer your question we should be debating the issues face the American People. All im saying is that if people are going to attack us and distort our record as has been the case time and time again were going to respond. Rose people say the tenor of the campaign has changed and its sounding like the republican campaign. Lets not go that. Rose you said clinton should apologize for iraq war deaths. Are you blaming her for iraqi war deaths. This after i was asked to apologize for the tragedy in sandy hook. Put it in context. Rose its responding and is it going to far to say she bears responsibility for the iraqi death. Do i bear responsibility for sandy hook . She voted for the war in iraq. That it was a bad vote in my view. Do i hold her accountable . No. Look, the issues facing by the way, the media has to bear responsibility as well. They kind of like that stuff. Right . I see the smile on your lips, charlie. Look, we have to ask why is the middle class declining, why do we have more income inequality than any nation on earth see . Why the only major nation that doesnt guarantee health care to all people and why infrastructure is collapsing and kids are leaving school 50,000 in debt. Rose but she did not say she was not qualified. Thats what she says and you say i looked at the headline in the washington post. On the other hand read and hear what her surrogates are saying every day. So to answer your question, i respect secretary clinton. Ive known her for 25 years. I would hope we can have a serious discussion about the serious issues rose and if she is the nominee you will support her. Im sure she will support me and well go forward in understanding it would be a disaster unmitigated disaster to have someone like a donald trump or ted cruz to be president and ill do everything in my power to make sure that does not happen. Rose some in the Democratic Party say they see it in the attack adds. What i want to do is debate which candidate has stood up for working families. Which candidate has focus on income inequality and rebuilding our infrastructure and i think record will come out pretty good. Rose you know a lot of people are talking about your interview with the daily news in new york and talking about breaking up banks and talking about whats necessary to do if a Financial Firm is too bill to fail. They say you have ideas but no plan to lay it out. Than go to my website charlie. My Senate Website and youll find legislation that ive introduced that is pretty specific about how we break up the banks and what that legislation requires is that the secretary of the treasury will determine which banks are endangering the Fiscal Health of america. Which banks may be quote, unquote, too big to fail and bring down a significant part of the economy. Rose how would you break them up . You determine which banks are too big to fail. Rose how do you do that . Thats not hard. Thats what economists do. If a bank had a great deal of size and unstable financially and if the bank were to go under and bring down a significant amount of economy the bank should not exist. If its too big to fail its too big to exist. Rose what do you have to do to win in new york . It is a Pivotal Campaign . I have to have the media allow us to talk about the real issues facing the American People. I think our message look , we won six of the last seven states and with one exception every one of our victories has been by landslide proportions. The middle class is declining. Almost all income and wealth goes to the top 1 . Not an issue media likes to talk about but its an issue the American People understand to be true. They want somebody who has a political record of standing up to wall street not taking money from wall street. Standing up to the pharmaceutical pharmaceutical industry and fossil fuel industry. I believe the American People want a president ready to take on the big money interest and fight on their behalf. Rose what is it you believe about ge . What i believe about ge is they are one of the larger corporations in america. They have downsized significantly and moved to lowwage countries all over rose so there are they are morally what i didnt say morally. I said one of the reasons that the middle class in this country is in decline is we have lost billions of decent paying manufacturing jobs. One of the reasons we have lost decent manufacturing jobs is a disastrous trade policy that has allowed Companies Like ge to shut down and go abroad. Rose the ceo of ge jim immelt said he has a plant you have never visited that employs constituents of yours. Its in vermont and of course i visited. Rose why would mr. Immelt say that . Maybe he doesnt know about everything i do. But mr. Immelt cannot deny the fact that his corporation has shut down plants all over america and moved abroad. That is the fact. And mr. Immelt cant deny in a given year his corporation paid zero in federal income taxes. Rose and he said in fact they have paid federal, state and local tax. Of course they have over the years. But in a given year they have paid zero despite making large profits. Rose if you want to win the hearts and minds of new yorkers, what is it you have to convince them about Bernie Sanders . Well, having grown up in brooklyn, new york in a three and a half room rentcontrolled apartment, coming from a family that never had very much money. Neither of my parents ever went to college, i have to convince the people of new york city i have to understand the struggles theyre going through every day economically. I think i have to convince them i am prepared to stand up for them and take on the powerful special interests today that are destroying the american life. Rose do you have to convince them you have a plan and that america can afford your plan and these are workable plans because thats the question that secretary clinton is raising about your suggestions. Of course she is raising those issues. Thats what her job is is to try to win the election and defeat me. So lets talk about the plans. Do we have time. Rose absolutely. Well stay as long as you want. Okay. Plan number one, our infrastructure is collapsing. Our roads, bridges rose most people agree with that. Therefore i think we need a major investment. Ive suggested 1 trillion over five years to replace them. Rose how would you do that . By doing away with an egregious loophole that allows large corporations to stash money in tax havens to avoid paying sometimes federal taxes. Rose what taxes will be raised . That would bring in about 100 billion a year over a tenyear period bring in the amount i need to put 13 Million People to work rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. Number two, what i have said is in the year 2016 when we talk about Public Education its not good enough any more to simply be talking about first grade through 12th grade. We need to make public colleges and universities tuition free and substantially lower student debt. Thats a 70 billion a year proposition. We pay for it through a tax on wall street speculation. Third i believe at a time when millions of seniors and disabled veterans are trying to get by 11,000, 12,000 a year on Social Security i believe we should expand it by lifting the cap on taxable income. If you make 5 million and somebody makes 118 million both are paying the same amount. Do what i propose, we extend Social Security for 58 years and significantly raise benefits. Rose do you think we have to raise the age . Of course not. Rose people are living longer. Working longer. Interesting you that but im sure you know this, upper income people most people are living longer. The working class people in many cases are not. In fact theyre seeing a decline in their life expectancy. When have you millions of people on Social Security who cannot make it off 11,000 and 12,000 a year at a time when massive income and wealth inequality we should ask the upper income people to commit more. Rose do you hear you say im embarrassed by the personal attacks taking place and all ive done is respond to attacks and im embarrassed but theyre giving a tone to the campaign i dent like. I dont like i have to participate in it and wish i would stop on both sides. I like it. Rose are you willing to say that . Look, charlie, youre looking at a guy whos been in politics for a long time and ive never run a negative ad in my life. In this campaign, as im sure you can appreciate, every other day people are coming up to me and saying arent you going to attack Hillary Clinton on her email. Arent you going to attack the clinton foundation. You know how many times ive done that . Zero. You saw me in the debate i was asked about emails i said enough of these damn emails. Rose the tenor of the campaign when you question the qualification of a person whether they should be president and whether they question yours or havent youre questioning their qualification. Youre right, okay. But i see the headlines clinton questions whether sanders is qualified to be president , were going to respond. Rose but dont you out to yourself and others to simply look at a headline and then respond. Its not a question of a headline. After we won in wisconsin our sixth victory in seven states what they said publicly is the tenor is going to change. Theyre going to go much more negative on us and they have. Thats the fact. Thats what cnn says the quote, this is from the Clinton Campaign, their strategy, qualify him, defeat him and unify the party later. That means were going negative. If youre question is to me that you prefer it doesnt rose you made a pledge to your voters youre not going negative or engage in this. Those arent the politics you want to play. This is you on face the nation look at the tape. I have known Hillary Clinton for the last 25 years i im not going to get into the business of attacking her. Rose but you have and thats my point. Charlie, if i hired you tomorrow paid you more than cbs and you got attacked every day and surrogates go on television every day and distorting my record what do you say as my Campaign Manager . Dont do anything . Rose i would say to you id be careful about what i said so theres no possibility that im accusing someone of saying something they havent said based on a headline in a newspaper. Its not fair. If you listen to what the surrogates are saying. Sometimes the way the politics work rose youre saying her surrogates are doing the dirty work. Theyve been terrible. On and on it goes. I would hope and the point that youre making i agree with its not a good thing. Rose when you think of ted cruzs momentum you know how to play politics because youre in a place nobody thought, including you, would be at this moment. You thought id be surprised id be ahead. Yeah, i think thats fair. Rose exactly. I think there is growing embarrassment, if you like, over the candidacy of donald trump. Its not just the American People in general who look at this guy and see that type of person should not be president but i think its what theyre feeling. Rose what is it that disqualifying him from being president , donald trump first. When you insult actively insult mexicans and latinos, muslims, islam is one of the largest religions in the world. When you insult women it seems every other day and veterans that john mccain was not a war hero rose all that disqualifies. Does i say the word disqualifies. Rose i was asking a question. Hes busy insulting every group of people. This is a guy also and sometimes we forget, as you know involved in the movement before he was a candidate. That was an attack on the legitimacy of the presidency of our first African American president barack obama. This was he shouldnt be president. That was a vicious and ugly attack trying to undermine the president of the United States. That was an attack on not only obama but the African American community and when people add that up i think people will say he should not be president. Rose do you think the fact president obama has taken super pac money and supported trade deals means what about him about president. Means i have a disagreement for a long time. Ive known him for a long time. Hes a friend of mine and campaigned for me in the senate seat and i have been very supportive of most of his initiatives. We have differences on opinion on among other things thpp, the transpacific partnership. Rose so did Hillary Clinton. She did say she no longer supports it. Rose i want to go back to the iraqi thing one more question. You have stated she supported for the iraqi war. Other people did as well. Do you hold all them responsible for the deaths of americans . No. Rose then why say it, senator. Im saying it because i was attacked rose thats not a reason. Im saying it because attacked me. Then i hope you ask senator clinton if im responsible we have gun tragedies. Sandy hook is the worse thing i can imagine. By the way i have worked to ban assault weapons the very weapon i understand was used in that terrible slaughter of children. I worked to ban it and now im being asked to apologize you know. Rose this is from the New York Daily News sandy hook shame. The same newspaper that was protecting and defending new yorkers when president ford essentially said new york drop dead. This is the same newspaper. Does it bother you . Of course it bothers me. Sandy hook is almost unspeakable that some sick person can walk into a school and do that. Youre looking at a man who ran for the United States congress in 1988. One seat in vermont. I was opposed by all the gun people. Do you know why, charlie . I said maybe we should not sell and distribute weapons signed to kill people in the United States. To be attacked with a dminus voting record from the nra yes, of course i dont like that. Rose on the iraq question, do you believe it even though you say you said it because youd been attacked but do you believe that that secretary clinton is responsible for deaths in iraq because she voted look, this is what a believe. Rose its the question in which you believe. What i believe is that what they had to say is the worse policy blunder and led to massive destabilization in the region and the death of thousands and brave good people. It was a terrible blunder. Do you think any member of the senate or house that votes for war is responsible for every person who dies . Of course not. Rose then dont say it. Charlie, this is a oneway lecture here. Ive been attacked over and over again. Ive been called unqualified to be president and i dont like that. Youre making the point many many times you want the tenor of this campaign to be higher and i agree with you. Rose and do you make the point not withstanding the tenor of this campaign were engaged in an energetic debate on what we believe in and what wed do as president and come november 2016 if Hillary Clinton is the nominee you will be supporting her . I would love to hear Hillary Clinton make the same point shell be supporting me. Rose ill ask her that just answer the question with respect to her, if you will. Sure i will. As i said a million times i think the idea of a donald trump or ted cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster ill do everything i can to make sure that does not happen and if she is the nominee ill support her. Rose theres enthusiasm for your can candidacy and is it because theres support for Hillary Clinton or because between you and the voters theres been a connection with the future of america. Which is it . I think its the latter. Rose do you think its part of the former. I cant answer that. We had a rally in philadelphia of 14,000 people and a lot of workingclass people and a lot of young people and who really understand that as the great nation we are we can do much much better. They want to be part of the process and the agenda we have outlined is something theyre responding to strongly. Rose thank you for coming. Always a pleasure. Rose thank you, sir. Adam schiff is here the top democrat on the Intelligence Committee and a leading voice on National Security and part of the benghazi inquiry into the terrorist attacks. Im pleased to have congressman adam schiff on the table for the first time. Hed been on the show but not at the table. Great to be with you. Rose in terms of isis, what did the Charlie Hebdo and then paris and brussels say to you about isis strategy and what do you know that we should know