Systemically rape women, they would do anything. And thats scary to me. Rose from International Politics to the world of culture and dance, we talk to Kara Medoff Barnett about the american ballet theatre. I think as american ballet theatre celebrated its 75th and turns its sights towards the future, i think that that future has many different fa sets to it. And it certainly builds on this tradition. But what is next . What is next for the art form. What is next for this company . And i think that in having been not just at Lincoln Center which is a tremendous arts institution, but my last role at Lincoln Center was building out the International Arm of Lincoln Center. And what does it mean to the american ballet theatre to be cultural ambassadors. Rose Foreign Policy in the future and ballet when we continue. Funding for carlie rose is p rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose tom friedman is here, a three time Pulitzer Prize winner and columnist for the New York Times. He known for tackling big ideas and wideranging subjects from Foreign Policy to globalization to the societial role of technology. Most recently he has turned his focus towards the 2016 president ial election, the british vote to leave the European Union, and the moral implications of emerging technologies. For all those reasons, i am pleased to have tom friedman back at this table. Welcome. Pleased to be here at this table. Rose the new book comes out in november with this wonderful title. Thank you for being late, finding a job, running a country and keeping your head in an age of acceleration. Just tell me the theme before we turn to everything else. Well, the title comes actually from meeting people for breakfast in washington d. C. Over the past couple of years. And every once in awhile, someone would come late, 15, 20 minutes late. And one day i just thought one day i just spontaneously said to one of them, actually, charlie, thank you for being late. Because you were late have i been eavesdropping on their conversations. I have been people watching the lobby. And i just connected two ideas i had been struggling with for months. So thank you for being late. Rose it takes time to. Yeah, people start to get into it. They say well, youre welcome. And what i was sort of dng was giving myself and them permission to be late. To slow down. To sit back and reflect. And you know. Rose so this is a brief against speed. Yeah, it really. Is but in an age of acceleration. But the sort of core theme of the book is that we are in the middle of three nonlinear accelerations all at the same time with the three largest forces on the planet. Which i call the market, Mother Nature and moores law. So moores law, the speed of power and microchips every 24 months am if we put it on the braff, we know what it looks like, it looks like that, like a hockey stick. Mother nature is Climate Change. Global average temperature, if we put it on a graph we know what it looks like, a hockey hockey stick. And the market trade, the globalization of flows or facebook o or twitter, all these things that are now flowing, you put it on a tbraf it looks like a hockey stick. So my argument is we are in the middle of actually three accelerations all at the same time, each feeding off the offer, more globalization drives more Climate Change and more solutions to both. I believe these three accelerations arent just changing the world, they are really transforming and reshaping everything. Theyre reshaping politics. Theyre reshaping geo approximately particulars. Theyre reshaping the workplace and theyre reshaping really our ethical and moral choices. Rose that gives me great context. The table asked me to invite you to come here once this little book is published. The table, i will be here, okay. There is only one place to come talk about a book. Seriously, and thats the table. Rose you hear that, table. Put that in the context, it say big idea, starting with the 2016 election. Right. So lets talk about sort of the political and geo political impact. This is how i look at things. So these, i think what these accelerations are doing is that they are actually exploding, and theyre exploding the politics of strong states. So what do i mean . There is a whole set of states worst borders are primarily Straight Lines. In my view these are deeply artificial states that were propped up by the cold war. The cold war you have two superpowers that throw money, there was no china, no robots, Climate Change was more moderate. Population was moderate. The cold war was a good time to be a flimsy little state. Now you take all of that away. Climate change is here, much more population, china can take your lowwage labor. And what you see is a lot of these states cant make it. Now some weve tipped over, some iraq, syria, they tipped themselves over. But we go by these Straight Lines are the most artificial. They are like caravan homes in a trail are park. Built on a slab of cement with no basement and no foundation. What these accelerations are are like a hurricane going through a trail are park, libya, syria, yemen, malia, niger, sen he gal, have i been there recently. All of these week states are basically being exploded by these forces. Rose they had no institutional government. Exactly. Rose no law. Very thin, but they could get back in the cold war because weed kate the kids shall sent them money, built their armies. That saul gone now. So what is going on is on the one hand that is really changing the geo politics. So the new divide in the world because of these collapsing states is no longer east, west, north, south, communist, capitalist it the new divide is between the world of order and disorder. And the dividing line now is the mediterranean. So you have tens of thousands of people trying to get out of this world of disorder stretching from afghanistan basically to mali, all right. Across the mediterranean, into the nearest world order, which is europe. So that is one trend going on, i believe, under these accelerations. What it is doing to strong states is it is stressing out their politics. Because their Political Parties are as britain, you see it going on everywhere, their Political Parties are really designed to answer questions of the cold war, the Industrial Revolution and the new deal. But the questions of the day are how do you respond to these accelerations, what they are doing to your climate to globalization and trade and its impact on you and what they are doing to your workplace. Just to finish the thought, because these parties really cant answer those questions, in the way theyre presently corrected constructed, theyre blowing up. The republicans went fester because they were the least reality based. They had gotten the most distant from reality on things like climate and whatnot. But you see what is going on in both british parties are now blowing up. Because i think, let me connect this to another point i make. So when are you in the middle of Climate Changes, what do you want. You want resiliencement you want resilience and propugs. So really as i thought about that, i thought who do i interview about resilience in the face of Climate Change. Then i realize i know a woman, shes 3. 8 billion years old. Her name is Mother Nature. And shes dealt with more Climate Changes than anybody. So i certificate view Mother Nature, Mother Nature, how did you deal with Climate Change. She says well, tomk im incredibly adaptive in a brutal way through Natural Selection am im incred bleerks i believe in diversity, i love pluralism, try 20 different species, im incredibly sustainable. Everything is food, eat, food, poop, seed, very efficient. I love, im incredibly entrepreneur yall, wherever i see an opening or nich i fill it with a plant or animal adapted, i believe in ownership, when an ecosystem is in balance, it owns that state, highly resil ynt to Invasive Species, trump is an evasive species in the Republican Party because they let the garden lows and she says i believe in bankruptcy. I kill all my failures, and i take their energy to nourish my successes. My argument, charlie s that the parties that mirror those attributes, they are the ones that will dlief in the age of acceleration. But what does that mean politically. And thats why my own politics, i know we talked about once, i am actually a nonpartisan extremist, okay. What i mean by that is im not for a third party. Who wants to be a third party between two stale dead party. Im for a fourth party. What is it, my own politics, im to the left of Bernie Sanders on a lot of issues, in this age of acceleration, we need a strength in our safety nets. The world will get too fast for some people but to pay for it, im to the right of the the wall street journal editorial page. I get rid of all Corporate Taxes. And i would really change the whole tax structure, and would replace with a carbon tax, a tax on bullets, sugar and a small financial transaction. Suggestion ar kills us, bull epts kill us. We have to get radically prern entrepreneur yall in order to pay for what would have to be Better Safety nets and trampolines in the stage of acceleration over here. Why cant the parties get to that, because that means thinking like Mother Nature, you have to be really high brid, todd gill, what does Mother Nature do, she lets things coevolve that should coevolve. Bees with certain flowers. These parties cant do that. If you are in Bernie Sanders party you can never be for unleashing entrepreneur yallship. You can just be for safety nets. If you are the wall street journal editorial page, are you not interested in safety nets, youre interested in unleashing entrepreneurship. These things need to cohe solve. But because these parties for raising money, and identity and station identification need to have these very defined features, they cant let things coevolve the way nature does which is what we have to do to manage the accelerations. Rose so therefore we have had gridlock. Weve had gridlock and worse than that, we are now seeing the parties collapsek basically. Rose the republican and democratic party. Trump blew up the republicans went first because they were like an untended garden, basically. And trump was an Invasive Species that came in because they let the garden go fall owe, the parties stopped thinking. And basically rented out itself to whoever could energize their base. So sarah palin, rush limbaugh, whoever came along to, who would energize their base so they could get lichted in order to be in power, in order to get elected. They completely lost their way in my view. I mean if a party could declare moral bankruptcy, they would be in chapter 11, the republicans, no question in my mind. The democrats, they have broken up in a certain way too. Bernie sanders is an independent. He basically made off with half the party. Or just under half. And now we see the British Labour party and tories both blowing up. I think we are at the beginning of an incredible reshaping. Rose so you think there will be, in fct, a reshaping will lead to fourth parties, people who try to build a new constituency yns i think were in the beginning of that, because these accelerations to me are the heart of what is going on now. And if you dont design policies that get the best out of them and push in the worst, you cushion the worst, you are not going to serve voters. Rose who is, in fact, now in touch with the age of acceleration, you suggest they are people without get it. You know, what i have done has been fun in doing this book and talking to a lot of mutual friends of ours. I have really gone back. Rose Mother Nature is one. Exactly. A good friends of ours, both of ours. So the way i built the moores law chapter, i basically took the compute are and basically said this computer has five parts. The cpu, the prop microprocessors, the microchip, storage, its got sensor, a camera. It has got networking, its got software. And what i did was then really go through and i kind of built each section around a person so the moores law section i built around gordon moore. The storage i built around the founder of which has really been a prime mover of big data. Software i built really around bill gates and and one open source, one commercial software. The network around irwin jacobs, the foifnedder of quawl come. And the storage, the sensing i built around general electric. And my view is all five of these, charlie, kind of melded together right around 2007 into something we call the cloud. But i never use the term cloud. Cuz it sounds so soft. So benign, sounds like a Joni Mitchell song. This aint no cloud. This is what my friend craig moneyedi from microsoft calls a supernova it is an incredible release of energy weve had. Energy into the hands of human beings, i think is one of the greatest energy releases ever. And what it has done is change four kinds of power. Changed the power of one, with one person can do now to make things or break things like never before. Rose like orlando. Change the to power of machines, they have all five senses. Changed the power of many. We as a collective are now a force of and in nature. We have the gee logical era being named after us now, the anthroposy, the manmade gee logical era because we are defining it so much and it changed the po power of flows. Ideas flow and circulate at a pace and scale we have never seen before. Barack obama was elected president. Will leave office saying a imaginer between two humanning withs will love each other and following ireland in that. So ideas that were solid for so long are now melting, at a pace we have never seen before. Rose the announcement today, by ash carter, transgender in the military. Think how quickly. Rose momentum. In two years, the confederate flag. Rose im not sure what they said, it maybe said it was building in the body politics. And it forces politicians. But when you see so many areas, think of the confederate flag, flies over the state house of South Carolina for so many years, since the civil war and one terrible guy shoots up a black church, and bam, its gone. And this is it just gone. And so these new kinds of power, again, theyre really reshaping the world. And its going to require us to reshape laws, regulations, attitudes, everything. Rose so while you have age of acceleration happening globally. On the other hand, you have conflicts in the middle east. Which is old as time itself. Yeah. Rose and youre suggesting that it is not so much over there. It is not so much. Digital divide. It is it is saudi versus iran. Rose right. It is sunni versus shia. You know, the old conflicts have not gone away at all. Theyre going to get sharper because these people are going to be fighting over shrinking pie. And what happens when fast gets faster, slow gets really slow. Because when all is moving there, and you start to fall behind, you really fall behind. And so thats what is terrifying to me. Think of it, the thraj de of syria, has so many dimensions but one is simply syrian kids havent been in school for five years. I mean in an age where thats already sent two iterations, so how we manage this, one of the big dilemmas we have. We have this widening world of disorder. By the way, we have it in parts of latin america. Were not theyre not the on ones with refugees. We got 52,000 orphans, over 50,000 orphans from guatemala, salvador and honduras last year where parents just isnt their kids out of their world of disorder toward our island of order. Israel, got over 50,000 refugees without basically walked, biked, hiked frommer trair blanca ethiopia an southern su dan to israel. They crossed the sinai, they come in, they try to pay them to leave but everyone, wherever there is an island of order, people from the world of disorder are coming. So this is the great migration. Now in an earlier period of history, some imperial power would have come in, the ottoman, alexander the great, the british, the french. But today no one wants to come in because all you win is a bill. There was a time, were in a world we have never been in before. You have widely world of disorder in a highly interdepend ent world but nobody wants to come in and lay hands on it. Rose and because theyre also finding limits to their own power. Exactly. Rose that nation building is not something that we are do very well. That is why i say the central, what i talk about in my politics chapter on geo politics is i think the central geo political question of our time is what do you do when the necessary sim possible. You know, but the impossible is necessary. Weve learned that nation building is impossible. We dont know how to do it. And yet if you dont do it, in the old days, you know, what would happen. Somebody would give a live aid concert in central park and took care of the problem. I have been, you know, on the migration refugee trail, two months ago. They dont want a live aid concert. They have a cell phone. They can see the world, okay. They can see what they want. They are in desperate straits and theyre going to come. And it is a big problem. Rose thats also what propelled the arab spring. Yeah, thats all these same forces. Rose they knew there was a better life somewhere. Exactly. And if they we